Definetly Kalis. He seems like the most likely starter from this list. I think people will look to him as a gauge of how our o-line will play this year. If he steps in and looks like the 5 star mauler he is expected to be, it will be a good year. If he struggles a bit, we could be in for some growing pains.
Most Impactful Redshirt Freshman
I second Kalis. Although I won complain if Green shows up and steamrolls past the competition.
(And on a very respectful, gentlemanly note, perhaps we could use the word "effective" in place of "impactful" -- which is gaining currency on the webs but not in standard dictionaries.)
Ya know, I actually thought about that word choice. =) I know 'impactful' is quasi-naughty, but it seemed to fit best what I was asking: Who will have an impact? 'Effective' doesn't really convey what I was asking. I'm guessing they're all 'effective' football players, but they will not all have the same impact the team's performance.
I kind of like "Who will have an impact?" best. Sometimes its just best to say what you really want to say and not transmogrify it for style or simplicity.
Gotta get your Strunk and White on. (Pretty sure they would approve of my writing)
I'm pretty sure they do debunk the specious 'no preposition at the end of a sentence' precription, so they would indeed approve!
And I'm not immune from wanting to use it either. But as I've seen it become more popular here, I couldn't help but draw notice to it. It's obviously no big deal, but one thing that I've always appreciated about this community, is that we value things like writing more than the average Internet sports site.
Do we really need to wait for Websters or someone else to tell us it's ok? This doesn't seem to be a case like its and it's where there is a clear set of rules.
Yes and no. Be careful not to select on the dependent variable; conversations like this are also the way usages become or remain unaccepted. If we only look at the ones that have become accepted, we lose sight of the thousands upon thousands of usages that society has chosen to drop.
Just a thought.
Effective doesn't quite capture the same sense as impactful, but its the best one-word alternative that comes to mind. Forget I said anything, we obviously all know what we're getting at here.
Thank you, for I cringe whenever I see the awkward 'impactful' in formal writing, which this, of course, is not. But if you read the sports columns on annarbor.com, you will see 'impactful' smattered all over those concerneing UM sports. Its shameful, and quite impactful to my reading experience..
Kali's for redshirt freshman. I'd be excited if Drake Johnson could "do some stuff" too.
Kalis for sure. Based on all of the reports from last year's camps and season, I wouldn't be surprised if he's the next Lewan. I think Chris Wormley will be a beast on the DL too.
I'd be very surprised if he's the next Lewan, considering they play different positions.
As far as Darboh and Chesson, I just have a sense that the coaches might have seen greater potential upside for Chesson and that's why they redshirted him. Neither one was really going to contribute at WR as freshmen anyway. But this is just a gut feeling...nothing to really substantiate it. I really do have high hopes that at least one of those two can become a go-to receiver. They both have size and some speed and both seem like intelligent guys who work hard and are very coachable.
I think the reason for Darboh to play last season was based on his size. Chesson was pretty damn skinny coming in and probably needed that extra season just to be able to contribute on special teams.
Chesson is listed at 183 and Darboh is listed at 220. That is a pretty significant difference in size.
There's an interview somewhere...maybe it was during the NSD stuff...from Coach Heck.
He essentially says that Chesson was much rawer, not only physically but in the various facets of a WR's game. I think that's pretty much all it boils down to.
Not to mention, if they think he has a higher upside, they'd probably plan on him leaving earlier anyway, so redshirting him wouldn't make much of a difference if that was their true motivation. Unless they just don't think Darboh has that high of an upside. But yeah, I think it's the first one.
Kalis and Wormley.
Wormley seems to be doing work in the weight room/community.
And in hair fashion!
Wormley is to be commended.
This is kind of creepy.
It only seems soft core creepy to me.
Is beyond creepy...too much info.
And then I'll say Wormley. These two will make the biggest impact. Drake could get some ST's action, but honestly I think our running game will be inconsistent again for another year.
Everyone seems to be in agreement that Kalis has the best opportunity to stand out. To take it in a different direction then, I'd like to see Chesson, or Johnson blow up and have huge years.
If even one of those happens, we should have a great 2013 football season.
Were demens comments about Johnson.
Check out this thread: http://mgoblog.com/mgoboard/practice-buzz-demens
“First of all, Drake Johnson is another player who gave us problems on scout team. Drake was one of those guys that when Coach Mattison ripped our butts wide open it was because Drake Johnson more than likely did his thing, got loose on us… whatever it was. Drake is going to be a great player. I like his style. He runs hard. If he sees me in the hole he is going to bring me his all and that was big coming from an 18-year old.”
There were some good things coming out of camp about him last yr. I know we all like to use the stars as a gauge during recruiting, but when the kids show up to practice I think you clean the slate.
Kalis is pretty obvious choice, and if Chris Bryant isn't going to be a factor then Braden will likely need to step up. I think one guy being overlooked is Tom Strobel. He had good practice reports last year, and the main issue was he needed some bulk for the SDE spot. I think he becomes a factor this year.
There seems to be more buzz around Wormley than Strobel, but obviously that's doesn't mean much when it's all said an done :) If Wormley is in the mix at 3-Tech, then Strobel should certainly be in the mix at the 5.
After hearing some tidbits from bowl practices it would be nice to get some of that breakaway speed in the backfield. Not sure how well he would do breaking tackles though and this may be a moot point if Green comes in and is the best thing since Wheatley.
Not a RS frosh but Derrick Green will make the biggest impact. He'll have 1000-1500 yards rushing.
have that every-down back just putting it to opponents through the third and fourth quarters. I don't follow recruiting closely, but it looks like we are getting back to having an o line that can facilitate that.
to project 1000-1500 yds for an incoming frosh behind an unproven interior OL... but I'd be all for it
As long as we have smart kids willing to bust their asses mattison will make them great. I hope he coaches for a long time.
We'll have a lot of depth at DL if Wormley and Strobel are good.
Has all the tools and coaching just gotta work hard and stay on top of his weight. Plus he just seems like a very likable kid.
I'd like to see Willie Henry and Richard Ash stand out in that interior line this year as well. Reps will obviously be tough to come by, with Washington and Pipkins most likely taking the bulk of the snaps inside.
I think Richard Ash is sorta destined to be a career back-up at this point. I know, I know, he's only a RS Junior, but he's effectively been passed by Peewee. The coaches have had 2 years to evaluate and coach him up and he keeps getting pushed down the depth chart. He wasn't bad when he played this year, but he's gotten every chance to feature more prominently and...hasn't.
Ridiculous means of transportation around campus.
I feel is reasonable expectation. Any RS freshman play that exceeds good or is consistently good is just gravy. I like gravy- lots of gravy.
What about Matt Godin? He had above average size already last season. With a year of adding muscle and technique, maybe he can bring the gravy.
Not Kalis, only b/c we are judging impact, not ability and performance. Based on position and ability, then, the better of Wormley and Strobel.
If Kalis isn't locking down a guard spot (ideally with something like Lewan-Kalis-Miller-Schofeld-Magnusen/Braden) then our o-line has little chance of playing with the big boys, and our offense will continue to sputter when we need it most.
We must get better line play or we'll continue to come up short.
That type of logic doesn't really make sense. If Kalis isn't locking down a guard spot, then that probably means (sans injury) that somebody is better than him. So if you think Kalis is so awesome and someone else beats him out, then that would be a good thing.
He's the # 8 overall recruit in the 2013 class. I don't think 1000-1500 yards is a stretch. More recruits that high are studs early than not effective. It could go either way but I'm optimistic when all the analysts say he's like Marcus Lattimore.
In the Rivals era, the only two #1 rated tailbacks to top 1,000 yards as freshmen were Adrian Peterson and Marcus Lattimore. Guys like Reggie Bush, Beanie Wells, and Joe McKnight were several hundred yards away from that feat.
Some of those guys may have had more proven upperclassmen to compete with, though.
Without going back and looking up each, I would venture a guess that Fitzgerald Toussaint (if healthy) is just as proven as most of the guys that would have been ahead of McKnight, Wells, etc. Toussaint may not be full strength by game one, but he will presumably be ready to play at some point before the end of the year.
That's true. I too easily forget about his 2011 season.
Holds the Michigan freshman rushing record with over 1400 yards. He had a much more experienced line though.
... the second part of which talks about the unproven interior line, which would, of course, affect RB production.
I hope like hell our run yards come back this year, but again, I think it's a lot to expect +1000 yds from an incoming frosh under these circumstances
I'm not sure what Derrick Green is going to offer as a true freshman that Rawls doesn't bring right now.
I can think of a few things offhand (relative to Rawls):
* Size (not by that much, but he's still bigger)
* Power (looks that way, anyhow)
Above all else, maybe, a willingness to recognize his abilities (north/south runner, as opposed to east/west) and make use of them ...
Better speed, acceleration, footwork, vision. Really the only common denominator between the two is that they will forever be lumped together as 'big backs'.
The only problem with that theory is that Green is better than Rawls.
I have no doubt that he eventually will be, I'm just skeptical for 2013. I guess I'm in the small camp that hasn't given up on Rawls yet and doesn't expects Green to bust out of the gate like Wheatley. If Toussaint is healthy, then I don't even think its an issue. Green has a great career ahead of him, especially behind the lineman coming up. I just don't have him penciled in as the workhorse this year.
With the running back position, age doesn't really matter. Freshmen are often just as good as upperclassmen in most aspects, with the most prominent exception being pass protection. Rawls has had two seasons to impress, and he has failed to do so.
I agree, but I always thought Rawls was a guy that would need time to develop. He was never going to be the guy from day 1, no matter what comparisons FJ was throwing out. You're right, he wasn't very impressive last year, but neither was the run blocking. He's not the type of back that can make up for that. If Fitz can't go at the start of the season, I think Rawls gets the call before Green does. It's not something I'd put money on, just my opinion at the moment. I reserve the right to change it.
Primarily, I would like to encourage any and all images featuring ladies in bikinis. Shirtless dudes from the Michigan football team is a wash. Just shirtless dudes is to be discouraged.
That being said, Wormley has my vote, and that comes before I saw the picture.
We are due for a standout DE. I hope this beast lives up to the hype.
We need MOAR kids from Ohio kicking ass.
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Both guys will be ready for significant playing time this year. Chesson also is going to make an impact methinks. Maybe not as much as Darboh (I'm thinking the 2nd coming of Jason Avant here) though. I wouldn't be surprised if Magnuson seems some PT on the OL this year too.
The D roster is very solid after just 2 yrs. We need playmakers who can disrupt a few plays each game. Wormley is a safe bet to play a lot, but I'd bet on Henry as the biggest surprise with an ability to penetrate & disrupt.
Opposite picture on O. The lack of talent and depth in the OL and WR group is obvious, so we need solid guys and playing time is available. Kalis and Jehu are either contributors or bust this year. They have no real competition from true frosh and they're physically gifted. Kalis is more crucial and a safer bet, but I expect Jehu to surprise folks with some big plays.
Most playing time: Kalis, Wormley
Most impactful plays: Chesson, Henry
Magnesson is doing well to on Oline!
what were you trying to say there?
Borat, is that you?
It's gotta be Kyle Kalis, guy is a beast and we need players to step up for our o-line.
IF I could magically pick someone to be awesome it would be one of the safties cause obvious...
That said what if Braden was good enough to lock down Right Tackle and then Schofield could be a guard? IIRC Braden got a lot of good press last year and I'd imagine if he could step in then we would have the luxury of moving to Schofield to guard (Where I have thought that he both has looked better and would be more dominant in the future).
Also, Borges seemed to sound like he thought Chessum would make an impact this year during his post signing day interviews.
I'm hoping for Chesson or Darboh (not a RS but close). I think if one or both of these can produce it would create the most buzz.
Personally I think it's amusing how everyone is writing Toussaint off after a broken bone. Victims of the 'shiny new toy' mentality. Green will be a backup this fall.
I don't think "everyone" is writing him off.
I do think that "everyone" has no idea whether he'll be back to full strength or not.
Nobody's underrating him. We just have no clue how his floppy ankle/foot will recover.
I'd like to see Allen Gant take over the Safety spot vacated by Kovacs...might be a long shot but would love to see a local athlete (Sylvania Southview - Ohio) do well!
Yeah, I definitely think that's a long shot. I think there's a pretty good chance that Thomas Gordon moves to SS (with Wilson being inserted at FS) or that Marvin Robinson steps in at SS while Wilson remains a backup.
Admittedly, I wasn't a huge fan of Gant's skills when he came out of high school, but it would surprise me if he beats out a senior (Robinson) or if they tried to get him on the field ahead of Wilson, whom the coaches trusted to put on the field as a true freshman.
There's also Furman and Thomas to consider, but Furman isn't very good and Thomas is just a true freshman. Freshman safeties scare me...
Definitely a long shot, but being around the kid when I worked a bit with the O-Line as a volunteer assistant with Coach Jim Mayzes at Southview - the kid just will do whatever it takes to play. As a senior in high school - he'd run scout team plays just to make the team better. Even if he doesn't sniff the field, he will push everyone around him and do whatever it takes to help the team.
He's all about the team, the team, the team!
EDIT: I know, I know...Cool story Bro. LOL
I'm pretty sure most people have 2 redshirt freshman starting on the O-Line. If so, that guy (Magnuson?) would be the 2nd most impactful to Kalis. I don't see anyone else starting but I hope Chesson is third and Clark helps out in the secondary. I'm still not a believer in Drake Johnson.
Ideally the upperclassmen would be good enough that the rest of these players would contribute as depth help and gain experience for the future. Then in 2014 I would say ALL of them will be impactful.
If another redshirt freshman starts at OG, it will probably be Braden. He has earned more practice buzz than Magnuson, and Magnuson seems more likely to play tackle (he's a good pass blocker but a mediocre run blocker).
Assuming Kalis earns one of the starting OG spots, the C/OG spots outside of Kalis seem to come down to Miller vs. Burzynski and Bryant vs. Braden.
I think there could be some surprises on the offensive line. Similar to Mealer at center this year, I think we could be see a starting five (in terms of personel and/or position) that we aren't expecting.
In terms of sure things, clearly, Lewan is our left tackle. Schofield starting is also a sure thing, but it doesn't neccesarily have to be at right tackle.
I think we'd all agree that the next surest thing is Kalis at guard.
That leaves battles at center and at a non-center slot (assuming Schofield moves inside if the other winner is at tackle).
At center the likely contenders are: Miller (the presumed starter), Burzynski (the only one with any non-garbage playing time - albeit at guard), Kugler ( presumed to be the most talented, but a true freshman and recovering from an injury), Bars (seeminly the most likely, non true freshman, non walk-on alternative to Miller) and Glasgow (another walkon with some buzz, but no love as a recruit). Bars seems like a long shot as it appears that he wasn't practicing there during bowl practice and got no mention from Funk in his recent comments on the topic.
Miller seems the popular choice, but I've already gone out on a limb and suggested that I think the fact that Burzynski earning non-garbage playing time counts for something. So, while there is an opportunity for the red-shirt freshman Bars, I'm gonna stay out on my limb and say Burzynski is the one to make an impact here.
At the other spot, the leaders seem to be Bryant at guard and Magnuson at tackle. Braden could fill either spot and there are a number of longer shots at tackle (Bosch, Glasgow, Bars and Burzynski). Other true freshman or walkons could surprise, but I think this covers the likely contenders.
I really like the idea of Magnuson here. If it is true that Braden is getting a look here, it sounds like Magnuson may be looking string as at least the third best tackle. Having him as a starter means more proven depth this year at tackle and an experienced blindside tackle for next year.
While Bryant got some buzz before his injury, I think that should be tempered by two things. First, he's coming back from an injury. Second, turns out the guys he was competing with were not that good. I'm betting that Magnuson at tackle is better than Bryant at guard (and is the best of all the options to fill the spot.
So, to actually get to replying to the post, I think both Kalis and Magnuson are going to make an impact on the line. I'm also putting in my early bet for a starting line of: tackles - Lewan and Magnuson, guards - Schofield and Kalis and center - Burzynski
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I won't say you're wrong, because nobody really knows...
But I will be very, very, very surprised if your OL lineup turns out to be accurate.
I agree there are a number of possible combinations that make guesses like this almost certainly wrong. That having been said, would you have picked Mealer as our center at this time last year?
Instead of saying I'm wrong, why not say who you think it will be. I'm hoping for something bolder than: tackles : Lewan and Schofield, guards: Kalis and Bryant and center: Miller.
I've said numerous times on this board who I think will be the starters.
Last year I predicted the OL would be Lewan, Mealer, Barnum, Omameh, and Scholfield (from left to right). So while I didn't think Mealer would be the center, the actual lineup was just my LG and C flip-flopped.
Who'd play guard opposite Omareh and who'd play center and you got both wrong, I'm not that impressed
I'm not asking you to be impressed, but nobody saw the Mealer-at-center thing coming. But Darrell Funk and Co. clearly thought the five guys I picked were the best five, although he rearranged them a little bit. And there was another question - some people thought Schofield would stay at guard because he played well there in 2011.
But apparently you think 2 of Michigan's best 5 players on the OL will be Burzynski and Magnuson in 2013. Don't be surprised if someone says "I'm not that impressed" about your lineup once the 2013 season rolls around.
With you about your football knowledge. You were the one who touted your 2012 projections, not me.
I'd be pretty shocked if my picks are right too. I think they'll be a real battle for the center position with a 40 percent chance of Miller, a 40 percent chance of Burzynski and a 20% chance of someone else. At the other spot, it's more like 30 percent chance of Braden at guard, a 30 percent chance of Bryant at guard, a 30 percent chance of Magnuson at tackle and a 10 percent chance of someone else. The main point of my picks is I'm not sold on the seemingly conventional picks of Miller and Bryant.
You asked me who I had projected at center last year.
I really hope it's Kalis, or it might be a rough year offensively.
I mentioned this higher in the thread, but your logic doesn't really make sense.
Assuming that Kalis is good (I think he is, and so did all the recruiting sites), then if somebody beats him out, doesn't that mean the other person is REALLY good? And if that other person is REALLY good, doesn't that bode well for the team?
I see what you mean, but the thread is RS freshman who will make an impact. The flip side of your point is if he is bad, or isn't ready, then whoever takes his spot is simply better than him.
For example, Mealer played center this year. He was not good, he was just better than the alternative. Great guy, Michigan man, but he struggled.
I think (and hope) it will be Kalis. It SHOULD be him.
As a side, I ofenn wonder the reason more Freshman don't get a shot playing on the offensive line. There are obviously some physical issues such as size and strength that play in, but I wonder if more often than not it has to do with understanding scheme. Offensive line is the most complicated position on the team outside of quarterback, and the jump from high school offenses to college offenses is pretty significant.