Morning after snowflakes

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Oh man, the alcohol is wearing off.  I'm not sure what to do about last night.  Got careless... got taken advantage of.  We should have used protection. but we were... stupid.  We are better than that.

Right now, there is an egg looking to attach to our collective fallopian tubes.  But it's not their fault.  We are smarter than that, we should have been more careful.  6 times we could have protected ourselves. 6 times!  That's gotta be a record for one night.

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Okay, so I know we may be sick of snowflake threads, but I'd like to think I'm grandfathered in, after making next day threads for the past few weeks. 

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Denard Robinson is our most decorated fighter pilot.

He has more planes painted on the side of his fighter than any other pilot in the history of our fine program.  Last night, he flew a sortie that officially designated him the most prolific pilot in our history.  The problem is, he crashed his plane into a mountain on the way back.  This is not his first time crashing a plane.

It's also worth it to note that he has singlehandedly saved several missions.  He can do things with an airplane that have never been done before, and won't be done since.

The plane was built well enough that we almost survived, but not quite.  Some people want to see the pilot honorably discharged (not I).  Others started blaming the flight controller for not steering him away from the mountain (not I).  Still others are encouraged that even though we went hurtling into a mountain at 600 mph, we almost came out unscathed (I).

Thoughts?

Lionsfan

September 23rd, 2012 at 9:20 AM ^

You've gotta take the good with the bad. For all the games that we won only because Denard  produced something amazing (OSU last year and all of 2010 come to mind), there's gonna be an opposite game.

I'm not bashing Denard, and I think he's the best player and QB on this team, but last night's loss was a direct result of him not taking care of the ball.

Despite that though, I'm hopeful for conference play. After being put in bad positions all night, our defense only yielded what should have been 3 FG's if not for a blown coverage by a Frosh on an All-American TE. Our Offense should signs of greatness, but again, it comes down to protecting the football. If we can do that, the Big Ten is bad enough that I would start buying tickets to Pasadena

orobs

September 23rd, 2012 at 10:29 AM ^

This isn't 2010 and 2011, when we HAD to live and die by Denard.  In those years, our only chances to win was with Denard having a monster game, so him being careless with the ball was acceptable--it was like going all in in a poker game when your opponents all have 5x as many chips.

Things have changed now.  We are actually capable of winning most games with a TEAM effort, rather than by having one player going off, so we don't have to play with a double-edged sword anymore.  It was the worst game of his career, and he's done more good than bad up to now, so I'll give him a pass.  But if he has another game where he is as careless with the ball, I can't say I'll be upset if Hoke decides to pull a Brian Kelly and see if the backup can take care of the ball.

HartAttack20

September 23rd, 2012 at 11:39 AM ^

I feel like everybody I've talked to is a little too negative about the game. I guess I'm just not one to get all depressed after a game. I mean I get it. They lost and Denard made some mindboggling throws, but there are a lot of positives to take away. I think the defense played a hell of a game. I'm no football eintsein, but the defensive line seemed to have their best game so far this year. The offensive line had a few issues in pass protection that caused some of the bad INT's, but they got in a rhythm in the second half when Michigan started running the ball and putting an impressive drive together. If they can take what they did offensively in the second half with the running game, and avoid turnovers in the future, then I like our chances through Big Ten play.

cjd3mtsu

September 23rd, 2012 at 9:24 AM ^

The rest of the B1G can barely beat MAC teams and we've been tested with the toughest four game stretch in America. 9-3 and a B1G Championship are still for the taking. 

WilliSC48

September 23rd, 2012 at 9:34 AM ^

We must have been watching a different game. I watched a game where Michigan had more total yardage, 7 minutes more in time of posession, held ND to only 239 yards of total offense, and only lost by 7 despite being -5 in turnover margin. What game did you watch?

98

September 23rd, 2012 at 9:40 AM ^

the offense looked anemic, was a turn-over factory, and denard has continued to regress as a passer. He has consistently become a worse passer each and every year of his career here. Not only did he continue this trend, but he was also unable to run his way out of trouble like he normally does. that's the game i watched

SituationSoap

September 23rd, 2012 at 9:46 AM ^

You're forgetting Denard's Freshman year, where he would play in spot duty for Forcier, and every time he got the ball, the defense put 9 men in the box, and Denard still threw interceptions on an eighth of his passes and completed only 45% of his passes. Even as awful as he's been this year, it's not as bad as his Freshman year.

98

September 23rd, 2012 at 9:52 AM ^

as he only attempted 31 passes his entire freshman year i considered this to be too small a sample size to derive an accurate analysis of his passing skill. However sophmore to senior he gotten worse and worse as a passer. i think it might be time to return to the offense 4 years ago and just not let him thrown the ball at all. he's an incredible runner but a complete liability through the air. let's run him and fitz all game long from now on

Michael Scarn

September 23rd, 2012 at 10:17 AM ^

MSU got throttled by the same ND team, at home.

MSU was also losing to EASTERN MICHIGAN late in the 3rd quarter.  They didn't score a TD until late the 4th, against EASTERN FUCKING MICHIGAN who Purdue put 56 points on.  

OSU's defense is a sieve. UAB hung with them for a considerable amount of that game.  They only practice tackling once a week, and it shows.  

I'm pissed about the loss, and truthfully, normally about as pessimistic as a Michigan fan comes, but we should win the B1G.  

The Barwis Effect

September 23rd, 2012 at 12:21 PM ^

...with what you are saying, it's never a good thing when you are relying more on the incompetence of your opponents than you are on the competence of your own team.  Reminds me a little bit of how fans have continued to excuse the Detroit Tigers poor play this season by talking about how weak the Central Division is.

Waters Demos

September 23rd, 2012 at 9:25 AM ^

Overall, M impressed last night.  I did not think they would even have a chance to be competitive after what ND did to my team last week, but in reality M likely wins if the best player on the field has even an average game.

My expectations for both teams are readjusted. 

jcgold

September 23rd, 2012 at 9:31 AM ^

The defense was spectacular. To hold ND to 13 points and 240 yards on the short fields they had all night was incredible.

But simply put, Denard blew this one. A senior quarterback can not make those throws. It was a serious regression on his part. It pains me to put this one on him, but it is deserved.

Do I hate denard/want him pulled? No. He's still our best playmaker and has earned his role as the leader of his team, and has bailed us out many times before. But I am ready for Denard to graduate and for Shane Morris to come in and take over the position.

Finally, the B1G is super weak this year. We can still win the conference and get to the Rose Bowl, in which case, all from this game would be forgiven.

SWFlaBlue

September 23rd, 2012 at 9:33 AM ^

I think we all have to take the larger view. Our lines performed much better than we assumed, which gives reason for confidence heading into the B1G. Denard will come back from this. We'll be fine.

htownwolverine

September 23rd, 2012 at 9:41 AM ^

Seriously as bad as that game was last night I still had us 2-2 after our non conference. The balance if karma was bound to be restored against ND. Positives we moved the ball, Roy got involved, Fitz woke up and the DLine was fantastic. We will be fine in the B1G10 as Denard will not play this bad again.

Mr. Rager

September 23rd, 2012 at 9:43 AM ^

We are still the best team in the B1G.  Frustrating we couldn't find the end zone yesterday (hell we scored more against Bama), but at least we looked the part.  Going to crush Sparty this year.  

TrppWlbrnID

September 23rd, 2012 at 9:53 AM ^

Including Denard but also Vincent smith, al Borges, q Washington, j Wilson, d Gardner (whose sloppy route on a slant was 50% of one of those ints and looked lost in space on a deep route) Floyd, dancy toussaint, mealer's bad snap, a j Williams pointless hold that was declined in favor of even more pointless Barnum hold.

Schematically, I think Michigan had a great game plan on offense. Short manageable throws against a depleted irish db group set up the qb runs in the first half, come back to a power running game in the second. They got good yardage and 3rd down conversions, except when it really mattered.

A wise man once said "the coaches are coaching their hearts out and the players and screwing it all up!" Or something like that. It happens.

This sounds harsh, but its not meant to be. Sometimes you get some breaks to overcome mistakes, sometimes those breaks are just more mistakes. No matter what, this will be a fun year. Expectations are middling, team is still in transition, Denard is still a 1 man show and great kid. I am not sure how many more middling expectation years there will be before expectations are up and these game are ulcer inducing pressure cookers again where I can't sleep before or after a game and every play and coach and player gets scrutinized as Michigan returns to being Michigan.

kb

September 23rd, 2012 at 10:02 AM ^

but this one is on him.  If we have someone to just manage the game we come out with a win last night.  I get that he's the best player on our team and he's singlehandedly won us many games, but at the same time I don't think it is too much to ask and expect that a senior QB learns how to throw the ball away when nothing is there and make good decisions with the ball.  It tells me that he hasn't really made much progress as a thrower in nearly three years.

swan flu

September 23rd, 2012 at 10:05 AM ^

I'm over it.  Denard is our QB for this year, which includes all the bad with the good.

 

I hope we win the BigTen, I won't be too upset if we don't.  I still think that 2 years from now Michigan is a top 5 team, and this game does not affect that predicition whatsoever.

nyc_wolverines

September 23rd, 2012 at 12:28 PM ^

@Swan Flu's post is the most sensible thing I have read re last night. Blame DR/Stick up for DR b/c of his highlights over the years/whatever... game's over and today's Sunday.

DR won't be pulled no matter how bad he plays and life goes on.

Also, everyone needs to ease up on banging each other for not having "original thoughts" in posts, not threads, posts. Heck, you don't see "original thoughts" from high-paid "analysts". If you want originality, be an engineer. This is footbal talk, nothing we're discussing here hasn't been said before, somewhere, in some fashion or form.

EGD

September 23rd, 2012 at 10:14 AM ^

Hopefully it was just one bad game.  If Justin Verlander goes out to the mound and gets rocked for 7 runs in 3 innings, people shrug their shoulders and say, "well, he didn't have his good stuff tonight."  But in football, everything gets magnified because the teams only play 12 games per year.

At any rate, I don't see what good it does to bash the kid.  It's not like we have another QB we could put in and expect a better performance.  

dennisblundon

September 23rd, 2012 at 10:16 AM ^

Denard makes average defenses look terrible but struggles beating a good defense. The same can be said for many qb's but denard doesn't seem to be able to make the throws necessary to keep them honest. A -gap blitzes still rattle him to the point his foot work goes out the window.

cjd3mtsu

September 23rd, 2012 at 10:16 AM ^

Do we have to go through this every year with Denard? Last year after the State game everyone wanted Gardner to start. Last year after the Iowa game everyone wanted Gardner to start... 

Then Denard went out and torched Nebraska, dominated Ohio, and helped us win the Sugar Bowl. Now after two rough performances against the #1 and #10 team in the nation you want to start who... Russell Bellomy? Some of you have to get real. Denard has nearly 10,000 yards and 90 career TD's. 

Learn to appreciate those numbers and the fact that we are still in good shape to play in Indianapolis. 

EGD

September 23rd, 2012 at 11:46 AM ^

Well, Chad Henne started as a true freshman and was reasonably effective.  Same with Forcier.  Hopefully Gardner or Bellomy will be good enough next year that Morris will not be our best option, but it's not outside the realm of possibility.

But, as you said, that's for next year.  There's still plenty to play for this season.