Morgan Trent? From the Detroit News

Submitted by RedGreene on

• Morgan Trent, former U-M cornerback, played one year under Rodriguez: "I'm not surprised because I know what happened, and I know what kind of rules were broken. I couldn't see how they were going to get out of that.

"Whatever steps need to be taken (to restore Michigan's winning tradition), I'm all for it. What is happening right now obviously is not working. I don't know how long they're going to let this last until changes are made. This year is going to be the tell-all what's going to happen. We can't have three losing years in a row. Not at Michigan. To lose seven of last eight games (in 2009) is an embarrassment."

http://www.detnews.com/article/20100223/SPORTS0201/2230443/1361/Lloyd-C…

Huss

February 23rd, 2010 at 11:19 PM ^

And you will never live to see a fucking day where I don't try and get that last word in. LISTEN TO ME SPEAK AND QUIVER AT MY ALLEGATIONS OF RATIONALITY

samsoccer7

February 23rd, 2010 at 11:19 PM ^

I think what Morgan Trent did is pretty weak, throwing his alma mater under the bus. I think we all agree with that. What I don't really get is why everyone is attacking Morgan Trent as a player. That precise ad hominem attack is exactly what makes an argument sound really really weak. Why don't we just accept him saying that and just rip on him for, again, throwing his alma mater under the bus? Saying he was a sucky CB or got burned by USC or couldn't play worth a lick doesn't help anyone.

Tamburlaine

February 23rd, 2010 at 11:46 PM ^

Trent and others who have spoken out are voicing their opinions that could have a lot to do with the treatment of young players they may see as over the top.

Maybe there are real reasons UM has this seeming fracture in its "family." Maybe there are real reasons this investigation has UM on its heels.

Rules were broken and investigators were lied to--and Rodriguez is still the poor ol' downtrodden angel that no one but those who will go down with this ship can see? The whole world is out to get poor lil Rich?

Sorry, its beginning to look really pathetic.

Magnum P.I.

February 24th, 2010 at 1:19 AM ^

There is no mistreatment of young players. We have been alleged to have given players too much coaching, too much guidance, and too much attention to academics.

There is no fracture in the family and U-M is not "on it's heels." These are perceptions that are being intentionally perpetuated by select groups. What does the "family" mean anyway? I'm confident that RR, Mary Sue Coleman, Dave Brandon, the coaching staff, the players, and most U-M students could give a shit about these allegations, despite what the former must say in the public sphere. No one is "on their heels." This is an annoying formality that will not significantly affect the lives of any of the aforementioned.

No one is playing RR up as the victim. It's just that no one with a life cares about the substance of this entire dilemma. He bent the rules to provide more coaching and support to players. This is not a social injustice. This is not an egregious act. This is not jeopardizing anyone's well-being. It's a joke.

Whatever greivance you have against RR, this investigation should have nothing to do with it. I'm critical of RR based on his results as a coach, but to hold him or the U-M football program in any lower esteem based on these proceedings--regardless of their outcome--is absurd.

BlueVoix

February 23rd, 2010 at 11:32 PM ^

Morgan Trent has every right to say what he feels. Michigan fans have every right to call Morgan Trent out on his feelings.

In the long run, he'll probably regret those comments. He has changed my opinion of him, and probably many others. I hope, for his sake, many in the alumni association do not hold grudges for as long as I do.

Ezeh-E

February 23rd, 2010 at 11:33 PM ^

is what did Morgan Trent think this would achieve? How is his statement going to help Michigan football in 2010? I don't see any possible benefit of his statement besides putting more pressure on the team and the coaching staff.

And before you (Magnus) argue that he is trying to help the team by "getting changes made", I would point out that that is irrelevant. If these are major issues and the team keeps losing, RR will be gone, regardless of what Morgan Trent thinks should happen. He is so far down the importance chain that Tacopants has greater say.

All he's doing is stirring the pot to no purpose, which is why everyone is bagging on him.

Ezeh-E

February 23rd, 2010 at 11:56 PM ^

So you're saying that if one of your former players said the exact same words (removing the violations section) to the local press, that you wouldn't be bothered in the least? I understand defending him against ad hominem attacks on whether or not he was a good player, but you wouldn't be let down by his actions?

Magnus

February 24th, 2010 at 12:03 AM ^

I have a hard time separating the part about the violations, since that's the entire reason that he was quoted and a big reason he said what he did. If not for the violations, who knows if Trent would feel/speak that way?

That being said, I am largely unaffected by what people say about me.

A fellow teacher once said, "I don't care if the kids like me or not. I could bring in beer and pizza and have a party, and some students still wouldn't be happy."

In this world, people aren't going to like you. They don't have to. If a former player said that about me, I'd think, "Okay, is there anything I can take away from this?" And then I'd move on.

(And I'm sure Rodriguez can learn a thing or two from this whole violations thing.)

Magnum P.I.

February 24th, 2010 at 1:27 AM ^

Stop using the board as therapy tonight. You started all this by being gratuitously argumentative in response to two (funny) jokes. This thread has devolved into you acting like a martyr in defense of righteousness. Spare us the moralistic waxings and learn to quit while you're relatively ahead.

blueblueblue

February 24th, 2010 at 12:41 AM ^

Look. I don't like Magnus. But he is right here. Morgan re-stated the facts about the investigation, and then simply stated that RR has to win because winning is what Michigan is all about. It has nothing to do with the nature of his career at MIchigan - he could have been water boy and his statements would still be valid.

The last two years have been embarrassing. This year is the last chance in terms of another losing season. If being "all in" means supporting a systematically losing program, then you are all nuts. Publicly stating that anyone who coaches MIchigan must win is good for this program. It tells others that we will not settle for less. That is what being all in for Michigan means.

Trent is clearly all in for supporting MIchigan. If you support RR after another losing season, then you are, in my book, and I think in Trent's book, not all in for Michigan. You might be all in for RR, but not for Michigan. After this year, the two "ins" either stay as one or become two different things.

Ernis

February 24th, 2010 at 1:53 AM ^

Magnus is only partly right. Morgan's comment may not have had anything to do with the rules which are *known* to have been broken. He may have been referring to other, as-yet-unknown infractions. The problem with the comment is that it is cryptic and douchey.

It's tantamount to betrayal, like bestowing the keys to the castle upon enemies of the state. A guy like Drew Sharp assumes that every black athlete from Florida has committed crimes because they haven't been convicted of any. What's he going to make of this comment? He's going to have endless fodder for years, speculating about the mysterious happenings at R.A. Rodriguez's Murder Castle

dennisblundon

February 24th, 2010 at 12:51 AM ^

What he said may have not been so inflammatory had he said maybe two months from now. The timing was poor and just a hunch may have came from a player who didnt care for Rich Rod and took a chance to kick him while he was down. This approach seems to be popular for anyone holding a grudge against UM football. Another thought on the subject is who in the hell called him for a quote anyway?

fballcoach12

February 24th, 2010 at 1:24 AM ^

not that he is sitting here criticizing Michigan but the fact that he is doing it so openly in the public. That is not what we need. I dont care how bad we were when MT was a senior, but, the fact still is that if it wasn't for Michigan MT is not in the NFL. Michigan gave him national exposure every saturday and then this is how you repay Michigan? I know you can't agree with everything but there's a right way and wrong way to handle it. He definitely did it the wrong way. When you play at Michigan you become part of the Michigan Men family. How many of us may have problems with how a brother or sister is acting? Do you go talk about it to friends or other people who aren't in your family circle? Shit, I hope not. Some words stay behind closed doors and MT broken a unwritten rule. I know for a fact that Bo wouldn't be happy with this. You got a problem, talk to guys you played with or other former alumni, don't run to the nearest writer. He lost all my respect. Not piling on here either, MT was not a good DB and it wasn't just one game, go watch the OSU game in 06. A young Brian Robiskie torched him all game.

Ernis

February 24th, 2010 at 2:03 AM ^

What I do not like about his comment is that it is cryptic. He leaves the door wide open for interpretation.

Pretty much: "I know what you did last summer" Oh, give me a break. If you have something to say, then say it. The comment was nothing but cowardice.

I just can't stand it when people act like they know a secret, waiting to point the finger and say, "Yeah I knew that all along." It just comes off as really douchey.

JimBobTressel-0

February 24th, 2010 at 2:25 AM ^

What he said was dickish. It was also somewhat right - rules are rules, and Michigan, for better or worse, holds itself to higher standards. It ain't right to critize the way he played because he gave it his all - that's why I also never said shit regarding Cissoko.

Memories are long in Ann Arbor, and he may no longer be as welcome in Schembechler Hall as he used to be. There's not much else to say.

Tamburlaine

February 24th, 2010 at 7:01 AM ^

I find it amazing that Magnus has like 40 hundred frillion points and is loved by EVERBODY (and that's not hyperbowl)--and when he speaks out against the ignorant masses who want to kill Morgan Trent, all the sudden out of nowhere come the negbangs and thos who "don't like" Magnus.

More evidence that this points scheme is the plaything of the Romper Room.

jmblue

February 24th, 2010 at 8:05 AM ^

I can't let this pass. This is the my favorite kind of spelling error - the one where someone spells a word phonetically, using the wrong pronunciation. (Hint: the last letter in "hyperbole" isn't silent.)

BTW, I would not assume that a high point total equates to being "loved by everybody." I don't think that description applies to anyone here other than Brian and TomVH.