More trouble for Stonum
Just when things sounded as he was on schedule to come back next year ready to contribute this happens. Just not a smart move on his part and then to lie about it. Is it time for Stonum and Michigan to part ways?
January 5th, 2012 at 10:51 AM ^
After seeing this very encouraging article in the Daily, I was really hopeful for a great performance and leader for team 133.
http://michigandaily.com/sports/stonum-motivated-best-friend-hemingways-sugar-bowl-performance
Pity how things have turned out.
January 5th, 2012 at 10:52 AM ^
I just talked to a buddy about this the other day and how he was doing good. COME ON MAN
January 5th, 2012 at 10:52 AM ^
Well perhaps we now have a schollie for Arnett...oh, wait...this really sucks
January 5th, 2012 at 10:59 AM ^
you would sure think that somebody on the team would have given him a ride. One of the 1st things that Hoke said is he wants them to be accountable for each other. Sad that this had to happen.
January 5th, 2012 at 10:59 AM ^
Sad and it will definitely hurt us next year, but probably time to move on.
January 5th, 2012 at 11:01 AM ^
It isn't just driving with a revoked license, right? He would have had to do something in the first place to get pulled over if I am not mistaken. I want so badly to reason out why he should stay with the team, but honestly if this was a Spartan with this history we would be slamming Dantonio if he let him stay on the team. Sure we can rationalize it any way we want, but in all honesty if this was another team we would say Stonum needs to go. Really sad, but I think it has to be done.
January 5th, 2012 at 11:06 AM ^
implied that he was pulled over by an officer linked to the probation officer. In other words, I think they felt Stonum was lying about how he got to the meeting. The officer who pulled him over probably followed him and once he saw him driving pulled him over. At least that was the impression I got.
January 5th, 2012 at 11:14 AM ^
His probation officer could have believed that he drove himself and then asked the police to pull him over if they saw him. I don't know that this happened, but it might have.
Edit: beaten by JewofM, who is correct that the article strongly implies that the officer who ticketed Stonum was working with the probation officer - in fact, he is a liason to what appears to be a probation program.
January 5th, 2012 at 11:16 AM ^
DWB man. DWB.
January 5th, 2012 at 11:01 AM ^
Gotta wait a bit to see if anything else comes to light. But if this is all there is to it, and he drove on a revoked license for any reason other than a life-threatening emergency... then yeah, he should go.
January 5th, 2012 at 11:08 AM ^
Your license is suspended Darryl, WHY ARE YOU DRIVING!?
FFFFFUUUUUUUUU
January 5th, 2012 at 11:08 AM ^
That unless there is a VERY good explanation that I am not seeing, Stonum is gone. Hoke cannot let this go.
This sucks.
January 5th, 2012 at 11:09 AM ^
I know that he screwed up, but let's keep some perspective:
This is NOT a DUI.
This is NOT Stonum acting in a manner unbecoming of a Michigan football player (which is what Hoke suspended him for).
This is NOT Stonum going out for a joyride without a license.
This is NOT even Stonum sriving to do something fun with friends.
The guy was driving TO HIS COURT MANDATED PROBATION CHECK-IN. Perhaps he had a ride lined up and something fell through and he panicked out of fear of missing the appointment.
Driving with a suspended license is not a good thing, and it is a technical parole violation. However, it is a far cry from driving while impaired, speeding or other violations that put society in danger.
People need to calm down and remember some of the poor choices that they made when they were his age. Again, not being an apologist, but this is a pretty silly thing to get worked up over. In fact, if he has a decent excuse, I would bet that even the judge will allow this to slide.
January 5th, 2012 at 11:11 AM ^
He was not drunk, was not driving erratically or dangerously (the article would have mentioned this) and was coming from a probation hearing. It's like getting a traffic ticket. Let the state suspend his driving license further.
It's not a DUI or anything even remotely close to it. No big deal.
January 5th, 2012 at 1:20 PM ^
Not to be apologists or anothing. The guy had two DUI and two probation violation. So, given that he's now added driving on a suspended license and lying to an officer of the court, you still think Hoke should just let it go? Okay, Dantonios.
January 5th, 2012 at 11:22 AM ^
I don't do it anymore, but in high school and in college I occasionally drove under the influence. I was never caught. Granted this was a long time ago, but these are mistakes that young people make and if he has learned to not put others in danger that should be our main concern. If we really care about Darryl, then we want him to make it through this. There is a time for tough love, and there is a time for love. May Hoke have the wisdom to decide which one is the right one to use.
Edit: The other thing I'd like to add is what outcome does more good in the world? That he is punished and his career is ruined? or that he is allowed to play and he turns himself around and gives back to the community like many of our former players? Now I know that these are not mutually exclusive, but I think this is an opportunity to show that the program cares about Darryl. Yeah it may be Tresselesque, but I hope we give him a shot at redemption on and off the field.
January 5th, 2012 at 11:19 AM ^
According to AnnArbor.com, http://www.annarbor.com/news/crime/michigan-wide-receiver-darryl-stonum-is-ticketed-for-operating-with-a-revoked-license/
"Stonum, 21, was stopped by Ann Arbor police after he checked in with probation at 7:03 a.m., said Steve Hill, Stonum's probation officer. Hill said Stonum was not taken into custody.
A probation violation form is being completed, but so far Stonum has not been charged with violating probation.
Court records also allege that Stonum lied to Hill today prior to the traffic stop. Records say when Stonum checked in at the probation office on East Huron Street he told Hill that a female friend had dropped him off on nearby East Washington Street.
Stonum is scheduled to appear in court tomorrow at 8 a.m. for a hearing in front of Judge Charles Pope that was previously scheduled to ensure Stonum is complying with the conditions of his probation. It is likely the issue will be raised at that hearing. Records show Stonum was stopped this morning by Officer Bill Clock, who Hill said is the police department's liason to the sobriety court program."
Let's stop all the speculation and let the legal process take it's course.
January 5th, 2012 at 11:21 AM ^
as this punishment is the equivalent of his offense.
January 5th, 2012 at 11:25 AM ^
run many, many stairs at 6:00 AM. Better yet, have him bike many, many miles. It will be good practice.
January 5th, 2012 at 12:05 PM ^
Best comment in this thread.
January 5th, 2012 at 11:28 AM ^
He's young and very stupid....if he has been otherwise exemplary in his past 8 months, this is not a big deal. Just make him run some stairs and he'll be fine.
January 5th, 2012 at 11:40 AM ^
January 5th, 2012 at 11:49 AM ^
This is a funny post. People who read the facts in the article are "jumping to conclusions" by condemning those facts.
But you are perfectly fine with assuming he is "doing all the right things."
Hi pot. I'm kettle. You're black.
January 5th, 2012 at 11:33 AM ^
i'd like to hear the circumstances of the case first, but depending on what they are, i could see hoke telling him to leave. at the very least, hoke will make him earn his way back and then some.
January 5th, 2012 at 11:36 AM ^
If he had a ride lined up that bailed and he panicked to ensure he got there, I could see this worthy of a several game suspension to start the season. Before, I would have said any possible probation violation would have been an immediate dismissal from the squad, but this is one of the few exceptions that may allow him to stay on the team.
If this is the lone black mark over the course of a year working on the scout team and more importantly, meeting probation requirements, then I hope he stays on the team.
January 5th, 2012 at 11:36 AM ^
......an article comes out is something I have learned not to do. I will wait for the court and Coach Hoke to weigh the facts on what the real/all the circumstances are related to this situation.
Noose in hand.....but patiently waiting.
January 5th, 2012 at 11:38 AM ^
If this would have happened earlier, we would have had an open scholarship for Mr. Arnett. Terrible timing.
January 5th, 2012 at 12:50 PM ^
you aren't the arbiter of football scholarships. To pull his scholly with the ink isn't dry on the morning paper and when no one here has the facts or the circumstances is a wee bit premature. This kid has workied his ass off for years, has been publically humbled and has worked on the scout team just so we can sit around and watch and cheer and pump our fists in the air sing with the muppet glee club. How do you think his team feels about this? I doubt they want him gone. Stonum has to answer for what he's done, but not to us. That's for his team, coaches, the AD and the law to decide and I will be satisfied with whatever decision they arrive at. Most importantly, I will withold my uninformed opinion on whether or not he should have a football scholarship at our great university.
/rant off
January 5th, 2012 at 11:44 AM ^
From the article:
Court records also allege that Stonum lied to Hill prior to the traffic stop. Records say when Stonum checked in at the probation office he told Hill that a female friend had dropped him off on nearby East Washington Street.
It's not the driving part, it's the lying part. Also East Huron Street and the Probation Office are not that far from any part of town you'd expect a student to live in. Heck I live out in Huron Hills and I can walk to main street in ~40 minutes and I'm not an athlete. Additionally The Ride starts morning service around 6 AM or so for most routes. Plus of course these things called taxis.
I assume he was running later for his appointment, grabbed some wheels, and then lied to his PO. Just bad moves all around.
(If you're going to be late, use your cell to call the PO or something at 6:30 and say "Hey I know I have a checkin at 7 AM, but I got hung up, just got out the door and since I can't drive I have to walk over there. I'm going to be 15 minutes late." That's an offense that is much more explainable than driving and lying.)
January 5th, 2012 at 11:56 AM ^
January 5th, 2012 at 12:03 PM ^
Maybe you should try reading a little closer it isn't about telling the cop the truth in his post. He said to call his PO and let him know he is running behind. That to me seems like it would have been the smart thing to do.
January 5th, 2012 at 12:09 PM ^
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January 5th, 2012 at 12:11 PM ^
I'd have called my PO at 6:30 or whatever and left him a voicemail that said "Hey, I got hung up getting out of my apartment [perhaps blame my roommate a bit or something]. I'm hauling ass across town right now, but I'm on foot so I'll be 15 minutes late". Then I call Hoke and leave him the same voicemail.
At that point, unless I've made a habit of being late to my PO checkins, I'm assuming the PO would not be a total douchebag. If he is a total douchebag though it is still possible for Hoke to say:
"You know what, CRex was 15 minutes late to one meeting in 8 months, I made him run some laps and that is that."
It's much easier to garner sympathy in that case. Everyone's been late for work, class, whatever. It's the whole deciding to do something illegal and then lying about it. Stonum though seems to have a trouble leaving his ride in the driveway. He takes it out drinking with him, he gets nailed multiple times with a suspended license, and instead of getting a Huffy he keeps getting in trouble. If he hasn't learned to leave his whip in the driveway by now, he has major problems.
Also Stonum was nailed by the officer assigned to the parole office. So it sounds like the PO was so skeptical he had Stonum followed by the police officer. Either Stonum is a horrible liar or else they've thought he was driving for awhile and set this up in advance.
January 5th, 2012 at 12:18 PM ^
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January 5th, 2012 at 2:02 PM ^
Because if you tell him the truth you'll go back to jail.
Many of these kids have experiences with institutions and law enforcement that would make them not feel safe telling the truth. Its really easy to judge it from a position of black and white (literally and figuratively).
January 5th, 2012 at 3:24 PM ^
January 5th, 2012 at 5:29 PM ^
I'm glad that its all rainbows and butterflies over there but there are all kinds of reasons to lie to the cops, like when one pulls you over and asks, "have you been drinking?" or if they ask something about your friend and you want to get their story before selling your friend out, or you think that someone got what they deserved, or when you want to protect someone or protect yourself.
How's the air up there?
January 5th, 2012 at 5:53 PM ^
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January 5th, 2012 at 12:51 PM ^
But we can never forget that the kid is 20 years old. Don't we all wish we were so wise at that age to do everything the right way?
I'm not saying Stonum doesn't deserve accountability and punishment for his actions. Because he does. I'm just saying it may not be the instant Michigan football banhammer that some folks seem to think it is for him.
January 5th, 2012 at 1:52 PM ^
I see no reason it is not. He has two DUIs in his time here and multiple driving on suspended license charges (the second DUI came while he was driving on a suspended license). After all that he was still on the team and on scholarship. He's now tacked on another driving on a suspended license charge and picked up a lying to his parole officer as well for variety's sake. We've checked the swing of the banhammer multiple times and now it needs to come down.
He's also had 3.5 years on scholarship so far. I'd assume we'd kick him off the team but honor the scholarship for the Winter term. So assuming Stonum hasn't been slacking on academics he should leave with a degree or only a few credits shy of a degree. We're not kicking him out in the cold here.
January 5th, 2012 at 1:51 PM ^
No one is asking him to do "everything the right way." The fact is, he's been given chances to stop making mistakes, yet he continues to make them. He's a grown man, and he's responsible for the terrible decisions he keeps making. If this was a one-time thing then I'd agree with you, but it's not.
January 5th, 2012 at 11:43 AM ^
Feel bad for people that are trying to make changes and come up short. I am sure a logical and good explanation will be given... But I hate to think that it has come to this if he has worked hard at making change.
January 5th, 2012 at 11:46 AM ^
January 5th, 2012 at 11:49 AM ^
The coaches already stuck their balls out for him and ioffered a second chance to earn the opportunity to play again. How is this repaid? With more lawbreaking and lies? What does he want? This isn't Ohio.
January 5th, 2012 at 11:51 AM ^
if this is just bad luck only time he did this fine. but if the parole officer suspect he has been driving himself to these apointments for awhile, and or driving other times and he had someone waiting for him to prove it, sorry last straw