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May 19th, 2011 at 4:29 PM | The buyout would be (Score:1 Normal)
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individually negotiated.  Often in an executive severance situation the terms of the contract re: cause, severance payments etc just serve as a starting point for negotiations on a severance agreement.

They can still use the terms of the contract (and fire for cause, paying him nothing), but they may negotiate a settlement to get Jim to shut up and go away so they can hire a new coach, stop the bleeding, negative PR, etc.  And Jim (seeing that  the end is nigh) may prefer such an agreement because it will allow him to save face (the agreement would probably include reciprocal nondisparagement clauses, among other protections for both parties) and save costs.  In fact, this may be why he got his own lawyer--to negotiate with his release with OSU directly. 

Or, Jim may find it preferable to fight to the bitter end to "save his reputation" (if possible).  In this case OSU will probably fire him for cause at the end of the process (if found liable) and pay him nothing.  This is the scenario we want because it drags out the process forever and all parties will be free to trash each other in the press, etc.

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May 19th, 2011 at 4:39 PM | I love that avatar. (Score:1 Normal)
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I love that avatar.

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May 19th, 2011 at 5:27 PM | Different Direction on Buyout (Score:2)
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Without going into the specifics of a buyout, I'm more interested in the effects.

So if Tressel gets bought out this summer:

 a) Does that assistant coach who will be doing the sideline coaching for the five games Tressel has to sit become interim head coach?

b) I know the NCAA is only looking into the lying crap right now (no other allegations that are outstanding that the NCAA has mentioned). So does said new coach have Tressel stink on him (along with all other assistants) which pretty much guarantees they have to clean house in the coaching ranks at the end of the year anyway (which should obliterate their recruiting)

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May 19th, 2011 at 4:03 PM | http://www.5thquartersports.c (Score:5 Normal)
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http://www.5thquartersports.com/ncaa-football/ohio-st-violations/

"The new revelations will not just be about the cars or the cash, but vacations as well. Investigators are and will continue to find cash and prizes that could only be logically explained by several players winning the Price is Right Showcase Showdown over the past several years (that or some MAJOR NCAA violations have taken place)."

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May 19th, 2011 at 4:24 PM | At the risk of being a buzzkill: (Score:0 Overrated)
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I know everyone realizes that we're just talking about rumors, but that article doesn't mention a single source or citation.  

It's tough to make predictions, especially about the future. -- Yogi Berra

                         

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May 19th, 2011 at 5:23 PM | The mod at Rivals said in the (Score:1)
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The mod at Rivals said in the couple days like what everyone is saying and then a national news publication is supposed to release something afterwards.

Greetings from Bolivia.

"It's special how the real true people hang together. And if you don't support the program you're not a true Michigan guy. It's that simple."  - Gary Moeller

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May 19th, 2011 at 4:03 PM | I fucking love this. My (Score:-1 Flamebait)
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I fucking love this. My boring workdays consist of seeing our new daily recruit, listening to msu dipshit excuses & hearing just another nail in the osu coffin. This weather has been absolute shit, but things have been good!

Now to my point, a very good friend of mine has a prominent businessman for a father who happens to be located in downtown Columbus. Unique situation, this guy grew up in Ohio, entire family are osu slappies, went to college/grad school in MI, lived here and family lives here year round....Has season tix to UM & OSU, so very weird dynamic, but deep down is an Ohioan. This guy is good friend with Gordon Gee, lots of prominant osu boosters, has suite in Horseshoe where the governor sometimes sits for games (she was there for UM/osu #1 vs #2 game, I was in there hammered with bright yellow UM shirt talking junk to student section right below suite. My buddy kindly told me to cool it since the governor was sitting next to me..haha).........Anyhoo, I send my buddy the weekly osu scandal, he forwards to his Dad to taunt him. His Dad as recent as this week responded, "I'm glad the UM fans have something to cheer about, but nothing is going to happen when said and done."

This is a guy who is a big deal, has lunch with President Obama, crap like that & a lawyer by trade (ended up being an executive). He is with so many other people in Ohio that nothing is going to happen. This partly scares me because the guy has connections I could only dream of & lives right in Columbus. But also makes me think people in Ohio are just blind to the fact osu has cheated to get where they're at.

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May 19th, 2011 at 4:46 PM | Gordon Gee? (Score:3 Insightful)
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My initial reaction is (1) this situation seems so fluid that I doubt anyone at OSU can say for certain yet whether JT will survive and (2) Gee is probably the last person in OSU's administration who has a clue as to what is actually going on.

"I didn't do it. Nobody saw me do it. You can't prove anything."  B. Simpson

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May 19th, 2011 at 7:18 PM | I should have been more (Score:1)
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I should have been more clear. Everyone thinks that none of this stuff actually happened, literally think this is all made up & sitting back like it's business as usual.

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May 19th, 2011 at 6:19 PM | Re Connected Ohioans (Score:3 Normal)
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In the coming months, being a connected booster with the ear of E. Gordon Gee at tUofOSU will be about as important as being the best curler in Equador.

If the haters don't hate you then you're doing something wrong. - David Cone

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May 19th, 2011 at 4:06 PM | Consensus reaction in (Score:5 Normal)
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Consensus reaction in Columbus:

Football is both an identity and a terminal illness. A rhythm and a chaos and an opiate for the mind all at once.

     -Johnny Danbury (umichedme.blogspot.com)

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May 19th, 2011 at 4:08 PM | SMU (Score:0 Overrated)
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SMU got the death penalty because (IIRC) they continued to lie and pull the same shit after they got caught.  I don't want OSU to get the death.  Frankly, I want them to remain a strong program (that we beat every year), but this level of nonsense is going to sting when the hammer comes down.  Seems like every day we either get a new commitment or additional OSU violation news.  2011 is shaping up to be a very nice year.

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May 19th, 2011 at 4:39 PM | I want the space bear to take (Score:3 Normal)
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I want the space bear to take them down.

Syracuse '03, Michigan G'05

Space bitches, space.

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May 21st, 2011 at 2:06 AM | IT'S HOCKEYBEAR DAMMIT! (Score:1)
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IT'S HOCKEYBEAR DAMMIT!

Abort, Retry, Fail?

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May 19th, 2011 at 9:37 PM | If everything they are saying (Score:2 Normal)
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If everything they are saying is true, you can bet your ass I want them to get the death penalty. They have been cheating for around 10 years....10 fucking years! This undoubtedly being one of the biggest reasons for their ridiculous winning streak against us. Do you think for a second that they would have rattled off 9 wins in the past 10 games against us if they wouldn't have been paying players and using ineligible players (which, again, is exactly what has happened if the story is true).  If OSU wants to play dirty, when they get caught, they should absolutely pay the price. They obviously haven't cared about keeping this rivalry (or any football season for that matter) pure and legal so why should I care if they remain a strong program? In other words, they haven't respected college football for well over 10 years so I don't need to respect them as program.

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May 19th, 2011 at 4:21 PM | After all that has come out, (Score:4 Normal)
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After all that has come out, I don't see any way in Hell (read: Columbus) that they do not get knocked with this.  Every piece of news that comes out is gasoline on an already raging fire.

Football is both an identity and a terminal illness. A rhythm and a chaos and an opiate for the mind all at once.

     -Johnny Danbury (umichedme.blogspot.com)

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May 19th, 2011 at 4:40 PM | (No subject) (Score:5 Normal)
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May 21st, 2011 at 2:13 AM | Well done sir. (Score:1)
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I am afraid Mgoboard appears to have created a new monster to haunt my nightmares.

Abort, Retry, Fail?

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May 19th, 2011 at 4:10 PM | 100% pure columbian awesome! (Score:2 Normal)
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I knew that Brady Hoke could recruit, and he did an awesome job assembling a staff, but now he is just showing off with the whole using his awesome karma to smite OSU.

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May 19th, 2011 at 4:12 PM | That's not karma, friend. (Score:4 Informative)
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That's not karma, friend. That there is poop. Pure, golden, Hoke poop.

I am this close to going all Dark Blue in here.

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May 19th, 2011 at 4:17 PM | Hearing about that school in Ohio (Score:-1 Overrated)
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Hearing about all the happeings going on down in Columbus makes me happier than a pig in shit!

That said, it is still not good for us or the B10.. It will cause a dominoe effect of complete and utter destruction (which was 100% their fault anyway) and however many years they are down because of this will have the same if not a greater effect on the b10 as the last 3 years with us.

Kind of "duh" material, but what the hell.

Directions to Columbus: South till you smell it, east till you step in it!

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May 19th, 2011 at 4:21 PM | I think the entire world will (Score:2 Normal)
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I think the entire world will give a giant "meh" when tUoOS isn't playing a bowl game. It won't make a bit of difference, considering that Michigan will (hopefully) be back on track and Nebraska will be in town.

Michigan: 903–315–36 (Best in NCAA)
vs Ohio State: 58-44-6
vs Notre Dame: 23-16-1
vs MSU:  68-32-5
vs B1G: 522-197-24
vs SEC:  20-8-1
vs PAC 12: 48-24-1
vs Big 12: 10-5-1<

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May 19th, 2011 at 4:27 PM | I can't wait for LSUfreak's (Score:3 Normal)
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I can't wait for LSUfreak's gif on this

"I can pick leaves of tree in the backyard."

 

-Tom Strobel

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May 19th, 2011 at 4:45 PM | Love it! (Score:5 Normal)
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OSU's getting popped for everything, cash, ink, cars, cribs. There's really only 2 things left and it's just a matter of time. That's right...Boats 'n Hoes!!!

 

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May 19th, 2011 at 5:01 PM | This is old news but (Score:5 Normal)
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You can scratch hoes off the list

 

HBO report: Auburn players got paid; OSU recruiting target plied with sex

 

http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/03/29/hbo-report-buckeyes-...

 

That means the boats story must be out anytime now

"I can pick leaves of tree in the backyard."

 

-Tom Strobel

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May 19th, 2011 at 5:30 PM | Yup (Score:2)
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And unless they're putting boats on the Scioto River, doubting the boat thing.

We've already seen what happens when you give OSU student athletes a boat in that earlier post about Ejector Crabs.

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May 19th, 2011 at 7:49 PM | How about the Olentangy (Score:1)
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How about the Olentangy River?

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May 21st, 2011 at 2:18 AM | There are boat docks in the (Score:1)
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There are boat docks in the Olentangy River behind the Drake Union (by the two apartment high-rises next to the stadium).  It would be easy to hide a "private boathouse" somewhere along the length of the river.  Still, there are a lot of step dams in the Olentangy, and boats can't cross those.

Abort, Retry, Fail?

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May 19th, 2011 at 8:29 PM | Well they do have (Score:1 Normal)
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a boat downtown in Columbus off Broad St. ( one of the main roads). They have the boat.

http://www.santamaria.org/index.php

"Þetta Er Ágætis Byrjun"     Turtles!!!  Formerly Dlash15

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May 19th, 2011 at 4:46 PM | now you know why (Score:5 Normal)
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Know you know why tressel was so supportive of richrod when we were going through our investigation...he was probably thinking "shit....if they only knew"....well now they now. This shit is better then porn.

My self-esteem is directly related to my MgoPoints.

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May 19th, 2011 at 5:03 PM | uhhh (Score:4 Normal)
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doood, then you must be watching the wrong porn.

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May 19th, 2011 at 5:13 PM | maybe that explains the (Score:5 Funny)
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maybe that explains the avatar.

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May 19th, 2011 at 5:21 PM | If you saw his whole avatar (Score:2)
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If you saw his whole avatar you would feel dumb.

I'm kind of a big deal in Bolivia.

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May 19th, 2011 at 5:21 PM | he said better then porn (Score:2)
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he was assessing quality followed by accompanying activities

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May 19th, 2011 at 4:49 PM | Doing it Right (Score:2 Normal)
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I would exchange OSU, 'Bama, and USC-levels of dominance for a once every 10-15 years national championship (or very close) Michigan squad that's otherwise competitive outside of that national championship year. There will be complaints of hypocrisy given Michigan's 'major violations,' but that doesn't even begin to compare with the shadiness seen at other places.

The margins are too thin in college football for there to be year-in, year-out dominance. If you can win like that every year, it's probably because you're not doing it the right way.

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May 19th, 2011 at 4:57 PM | Not to be a buzzkill, but if (Score:2 Interesting)
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Not to be a buzzkill, but if OSU sensed something was about to happen why would Smith restate his support of Tressel yesterday?

Galileo was also chastised.

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May 19th, 2011 at 5:01 PM | think a bit more (Score:2 Insightful)
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He has to support Tress up to the very last moment, because Tress's replacement will expect that out of his AD.

Any captain of a sinking corporate ship will do that -- talk the talk until the very last, stinking moment.  Everything's under control, have no fear, we're confident of the future, got our man, he's good to go, yada yada yada.  Then Tress is bought out.  Only then Smith can say, well we didn't want to do it but made sense for everyone to get this past them.

If he were to go, we don't like our current head coach, looks like he might be a sleezebag .... now, tell me who takes the job to replace Tress, with THAT kind ofa guy as your boss?

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May 19th, 2011 at 5:16 PM | OSU psycho fans (Score:2)
psychomatt
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The way the fans are turning on Spielman, Smith fears getting fragged by his own troops. He is probably as frustrated as anyone, but he also does not want to be blamed for Tressel's departure if that is how this plays out.

"I didn't do it. Nobody saw me do it. You can't prove anything."  B. Simpson

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May 19th, 2011 at 4:57 PM | It's like christmas!! (Score:1)
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It's like Christmas all over again ! Thank you Osu for being dumb!

what the mind can conceive the mind can achieve and those who stay will be champions

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May 19th, 2011 at 5:08 PM | Something for you internet detectives (Score:4 Normal)
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It is interesting that housing is being cited as a potential violation at Ohio State.  Last summer I read a post on another college's message board.  It's behind a paywall so I can't link to it.  The  school is not a rival of Ohio State and I have no reason to suspect that the author of post was being anything besides honest.  I did some light digging and was unable to confirm the identity of the player and then got busy with other stuff and forgot about it.

The accusation was that the coaches at Ohio State strongly suggested that an incoming player live in a certain apartment complex.  The player was shocked at how cheap the cost of living was in Ohio and only later found out the complex was owned by a former player and he was receiving a steep discount.

The player was said to be from the state of Texas, a transfer from another college and a defensive starter.  I couldn't find anyone recently who matched this description, but I really didn't go much beyond scanning rosters from the last few years.  

It will be interesting to see if something in the latest round of accusations matches this sort of scenario.

M BSE '05, A&M PhD '11
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May 19th, 2011 at 5:16 PM | Anthony Schlegel fits the (Score:4 Normal)
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Anthony Schlegel fits the description. From Texas, transferred from Air Force, started at LB.

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May 19th, 2011 at 5:31 PM | Interesting.  Schlegel fits (Score:1)
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Interesting.  Schlegel fits the description, including the parts I left out.  I think I missed him before because he was born in Iowa.

It's still a dead end though because I have no idea how one would go about finding out where he lived in college.

M BSE '05, A&M PhD '11
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May 19th, 2011 at 5:07 PM | I heard Tresselis going to (Score:-1 Trolling)
tUOS is OSU
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I heard Tresselis going to resign and... Urban Meyer has been caught looking for houses in Columbus. Not joking, could be rumors though...

"Don't stop Believin"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNG_7ZA70KA

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May 19th, 2011 at 5:13 PM | At the same time Les Miles' (Score:1 Insightful)
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At the same time Les Miles' wife is looking in Ann Arbor

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May 19th, 2011 at 5:23 PM | The Meyer thing is like a UFO story (Score:1)
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Seems to get repeated over and over and thus has made its own validity by mere repetition, but like Roswell, it's just asking us to believe the impossible.  Guy retired less than a year ago for HEART HEALTH reasons.  Stress is going to kill him.

So, he'd LEAP at tSIO's job, which brings more stress than UF?  And a program that's going to be on probation, with loss of scholies?  Yeah, no stress there.

Plus, his daughter completely refuted it.  That's not dispositive, but counts for something, doesn't it?  At least enough to offset the "looking for houses" thing.

Finally -- guy lived in OH, didn't he grow up there?  He has millions.  No surprise he might have one house in OH, another in Florida, etc.

tSIO is going to be a shell of itself after the sanctions hit.  Recruits bailing this year (AHEM, Mr. 5* RB in OH, lqqking @ u), loss of scholies, bowl ban maybe.  No big-name coach wants to inheret that disaster.

Although, Kiffie-kins might be available...?

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May 19th, 2011 at 6:36 PM | Haven't you heard? (Score:3 Insightful)
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The Roswell UFO incident was not aliens. According to a new book out(by a credible author) it was a remote controlled Soviet spy plane filled with alien like children genetically engineered by none other than Josef Mengele himself. I couldn't make this stuff up if I tried.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_upshot/20110518/od_yblog_upshot/new-book-says-ussr-behind-roswell-ufo

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May 19th, 2011 at 6:42 PM | (Score:1)
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Why would UM want to go to a tainted program that is crippled for recruiting by massive scandals?

 

"Football is happening at Michigan... we have that savoir faire."  Dhani Jones

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May 19th, 2011 at 5:22 PM | ... (Score:3 Normal)
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WITH YOUR FEET IN THE AIR AND YOUR HEAD ON THE GROUND

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May 19th, 2011 at 9:57 PM | 15 Hours (Score:1)
peterinco
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Here's a good one.  Hardly anything, especially if things are prepared-for and scripted.  Or, like baseball, in the tunnel or out of sight.

"Smith has confirmed that the five-game suspension actually amounts to only a 15-hour suspension — the time during which the Buckeyes are playing games."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/colleges/ohio-state-not-on-the-hook-for-football-coach-jim-tressels-legal-team-in-ncaa-case/2011/05/18/AFb4ji6G_story.html

Link to today's events on my blog:  http://peterpfeiffer.co.cc/columns/?p=775

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May 19th, 2011 at 5:26 PM | Just can't imagine how/why (Score:1)
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Just can't imagine how/why OSU would be financing vacations for players. Seems a stretch, even for them. The only viable scenario would involve boosters, right?

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