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Submitted by The King of Belch on
After listening to Beano Cook and Colin Cowherd (before the usual ESPN Shmooze took over the conversation) discuss Notre Dame, I started to think about their situation and how it could shake out. Let's assume Weis is gone. First, what does that mean for his incoming recruiting class? How many of those guys would leave? Now, that might depend on who they hire to replace him, but it is a very interesting question. Next: how many of their current guys would leave? Claussen, Floyd, and Tate come to mind, of course. You'd have to consider the NFL salary cap question, plus Floyd and Claussen have had some injuries, and they might have people in their ears talking about Sam Bradford's $ituation. And would they stick around for one more year to learn a new coach and system? I doubt it. Now, let's consider some possibilities. Brian Kelly: spread guy--would they have to go through a system change like Michigan? Would they? Much has been made of Rodriguez needing "his guys" here--wouldn't that apply to them? Another name tossed out there is Paul Johnson. Hmmm--straight option guy--is that a realistic possibility? At face value, I say "No"--but ND's academic considerations might make winning there under Johnson easier. He'd get athletes, and add to that the fact that ND would be hard to prepare for on a one-game basis (no conference affiliation)--and you just might have a winning formula right there. Cowhered and Cook mentioned Fitzgerald of Northwestern. Another spread guy? A local (kind of)? How can you not look at a guy who does well at Northwestern? Plus, he's familiar with the Big Ten, and ND plays three Big Ten teams every year. I think you have to consider the impact of a Big Name there. Weis had that (insert pun), and it helped his recruiting. Not having a Big Name has hurt them IMO since Holtz left. I still think ND needs a guy who is a bit transcendental--a bit bigger than the game itself--to be a power, but there aren't that many of those guys left--and if there re (Meyer, Stoops, etc)--would they leave good jobs to go to the biggest Hot Seat in college football? My choice: John Gruden. He's got The Ring, same as Weis. Former pro coach. This would make incomming recruits less nervous and less likely to jump ship. It might keep some juniors around as well. And he has the Big Name. It's the big headline grabber that they are used to, and I think their collective ego sends them in this direction. I think Weis IS gone, barring a three-game winning streak to end the season. I don't see where they have a choice. If you aren't getting it done by Year 5--you aren't going to get it done.

gater

November 11th, 2009 at 12:21 PM ^

I agree with most of it, I just think that Gruden might scare off ND because they just had a coach from the NFL who clearly can't relate to college kids. The fear would be the same for Gruden.

acs236

November 11th, 2009 at 12:31 PM ^

but he sure can recruit them. Most ND people that I've spoken with float Gruden or Kelly. It seems like many ND fans would be nervous or outright hostile toward Kelly because of his political/social views. The point about having to convert to the spread is a good one, but if anyone has a track record of doing it smoothly, it's Kelly. I just hope Kelly stays far away from ND.

The King of Belch

November 11th, 2009 at 12:43 PM ^

And either ND is scared off a pro coach by that fact, or Gruden can convince them he watched Charlie and learned from it. It seems like programs, college or pro, usually go in the opposite direction of a failed hire when they make their next choice.

gater

November 11th, 2009 at 12:28 PM ^

that actually wouldn't be a bad pick. other than i've seem him make some horrendous clock management calls, he seems to be a pretty good coach with links to the university. Also, looking at the thread from yesterday about how much coaches make, it shows that Weis's income statement shows he's only pulling in like $650k a year. I don't think that can be correct, but if it is, how good of a coach can they get for that?

chitownblue2

November 11th, 2009 at 12:36 PM ^

Minor nitpick - it Floyd is a true sophomore, he's not going anymore for at least a year. Tate is likely not a first-round pick right now, and likely wouldn't be impacted by any salary-cap issues. I think the coach would largely determine that stuff - if they hired a guy who runs a pro-style offense, I don't see why Clausen would have any more incentive to leave than he already has. Also, I'm not sure Fitzgerald is a "spread guy". He doesn't coach offense, and never has. His OC is the "spread guy", and he was hired primarily because he ran a scheme similar to what Northwestern's offensive personell had run under Walker, so there wouldn't be a jarring change.

VectorVictor05

November 11th, 2009 at 12:33 PM ^

I agree that the Weiss has to be gone if they don't go on a tear to finish up. That IS the rational thing to do...but that doesn't mean it's what ND will do. ND would have to juggle between 1) choosing a coach for the long-term (possible change in program philosophy), 2) choosing a coach that wouldn't scare off the laundry list of top offensive recruits and current players, and 3) choosing someone that would make an immediate splash w/ the boosters and fanbase. Granted this is basically what all schools go through when hiring a new coach...but it ain't easy. Small point...Floyd is only a soph. He's not going anywhere outside of a transfer. I think Clausen is gone no matter what happens....just a gut feeling.

rbgoblue

November 11th, 2009 at 12:34 PM ^

Has Notre Dame yet beaten a team that will go to a bowl game? They may have six of the weakest wins of any team in the NCAA. I dont count Nevada, MSU, Purdue, Washington, BC, and Washington State as world beaters. One could argue that Weis would have faced stiffer competition in the MAC. They finish on the road at Pitt and Stanford. There is no way they don't drop another game.

Double Nickel BG

November 11th, 2009 at 12:43 PM ^

One of the guys I would seriously consider at ND is Fitzgerald. He has won at NORTHWESTERN. North freaking Western. He plays the big teams of the B10 pretty well, and the academic issues wouldn't be anything new. I can't see Paul Johnson going to ND. He's just hit his stride at GT and I really can't see ND wanting to go to the triple option offense. If they wanted to go spread, I think Kelly would be their pick. He scares me because of his success at Cinci, but will there be a transition like at UM? Who knows. I really don't think Gruden would be that great at ND. I don't know how his personality would be taken as a high school recruit.

WildcatBlue

November 11th, 2009 at 12:43 PM ^

Pat Fitzgerald will leave Northwestern when he's fired, or when he retires. He's going to be our Joe Paterno, minus the brain eating. In any case, I doubt ND would come after him, given the other names you'd assume are in the mix.

RichRodFollower

November 11th, 2009 at 12:51 PM ^

Kelly took Damtonio's recruits and ran his offense in his first year at Cincinnati. With the caliber of athlete currently at ND, I don't believe Kelly would have any transition pains.

BlockM

November 11th, 2009 at 1:26 PM ^

He's quite logical most of the time. Tells it like it is (or like he sees it). He's just a bit more pessimistic about our current situation than most on the board. (And probably less pessimistic than the majority of the fan base.)

Captain

November 11th, 2009 at 12:59 PM ^

I still think ND needs a guy who is. . .a bit bigger than the game itself
So keep the same hiring philosophy, only more figurative? Zing! Also, keep posting more stuff like this.

West Texas Blue

November 11th, 2009 at 1:23 PM ^

Not sure what all the love for Gruden is. He had 50% winning percentage with TB, and he won a Superbowl using Tony Dungy's players. TB won 10+ games once in six years after the SB win. I guess let ND hire him; not worried one bit. Now Brian Kelly, on the other hand......

The King of Belch

November 11th, 2009 at 1:59 PM ^

I did want to say something like that, but would have had to do some...research, and well... But I chose to play more off the media love for him added to the allure of fame, and go in the direction that he will be among the finalists come choosing time. Seems Gruden made a strategic career choice to get out of coaching for awhile--but to stay in the public eye by going into the broadcasting booth. He's one of those people who will have no shortage of career choices, that's for sure. To me, he's the obvious choice if they go for a Big Name, while Kelly is the obvious choice (sans Stoops or Meyer) if they go for a college HC. But am I alone in thinking that this is IT for them? Either they are extremely successful this time around, or they HAVE to really rethink their independent status? They will have tried all kinds of formulae over since 1988, and the only thing to then consider would be to join a conference, IMO.

fatbastard

November 11th, 2009 at 2:48 PM ^

makes no sense as long as there is a network paying you millions of bajillions of dollars for the rights to broadcast your games. And you don't have to split your revenue 12 ways. Plus, by remaining independent they can continue to schedule cupcakes like Navy.

fatbastard

November 11th, 2009 at 1:34 PM ^

the ND folks would not have the same reservations that state and Michigan had regarding Kelly. O'Leary was ditched for far less than the rumors circulating about BK. And, with the proximity of ND to GVSU and CMU you've got to think that word will travel quickly to South Bend. I don't see them taking that kind of chance. I love Gruden. I would like to have seen him considered for the Michigan job 2 years ago. But, he also has baggage. He's got one or two DWI's and other drinking related issues (see Tampa Bay team plane thing from last year). Is that enough to give concern to ND? Fitzgerald actually seems like a great candidate for the job. He's recruited relatively well to Northwestern. ND is in the same geographic area and obviously would have national pull, too. Other guys who may get a look would include Butch Jones, Tedford. Ferentz would seem like a good choice, but can't imagine he's willing to go anywhere, otherwise he'd already have the Michigan job.

NHWolverine

November 11th, 2009 at 3:00 PM ^

This makes things much more interesting. Like (I'm guessing) many people I don't see us parting with Tony Gibson, no matter how disastrous 2009 ends for us. I see in Brown's resume that he has done some Special Teams coaching in the past at the college level. Maybe we would be interested in having him at this capacity if he gets the ax at ND? I'm sure a slew of smaller programs would be looking to nab him up as their D Coordinator.

k06em01

November 11th, 2009 at 5:04 PM ^

its probably going to be kelly...if hes too big of an a-hole for their liking, its probably going to be gruden. improvement either way. i really hope its gruden.

VAWolverine

November 11th, 2009 at 5:32 PM ^

Charlie is gone and ND will stay away from Kelly due to his past history (comments at CMU on race when a RB got into trouble) and other issues (he is very liberal). I do not believe ND will hire Gruden due to his lack of college experience. They will hire a candidate who is lurking under the radar but who will it be?

michman79

November 11th, 2009 at 6:13 PM ^

I don;t think you can take the comparison of Gruden and Weis beyond NFL experience. Gruden was a head coach while Weis wass only an OC. Head coaching experience matters. I have never heard of Gruden showing interest in the college game, however. His name came up for Michigan alot when Lloyd announced his retirement but he was not even on the list of potentials. As for Stoops and Meyer...why would either of them want to leave their current situation. With Claussen leaving, ND is a minimum 2 year (probably 3-4 year) project.