I'm probably looking into this too much, but I think this might mean that he'll be a red zone threat. I'm thinking about the passes Borges draws up where a receiver is in the back of the end zone and has to grab the ball out of the sky (Hemingway in the Sugar Bowl, the two goal line fades thrown in the ND game are examples of the top of my head). With his size, he'd be a tough matchup for a DB (too short) or a linebacker (too slow).
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Interesting stuff. Thanks for sharing.
I guess I thought that because he said he would be catching TD passes, specifically, I assumed that meant he'd be a red zone threat, rather than just a receiver in general. Of course, "catching" could have been the important word there rather than "TD's."
Also, do you think maybe he was working on his WR blocking because he needed more help there than on his actual route running and pass catching? I'm interested to hear your (and your father's) insight.
Our WRs are our weak part of our offense. Gardners athleticism will be a huge boost, as long as he can catch the ball and take a hit.
to be an elite college WR IF he can get open, catch the ball well, and hold onto it. We haven't really seen him do that yet, so it's hard to say. But being a QB and smart, I imagine his knowledge of the plays and routes is pretty good. So, it will probably come down to his ball skills mostly.
wearing the winged helmets. I'm sure he's still a solid dude overall.
Having a WR with passing skills, it seems like a natural to have him involved in end-arounds and passes to the QB. With his height and leaping ability, he could play some of the role of catching arm punts.
don't see how we can move our back-up QB when we only have three to begin with.
This has obviously been discussed a lot over the spring, and I don't think anyone's going to change anyone else's mind at this point. But I'd tend to agree with Ace's assessment that keeping Gardner off the field out of fear that Denard will get hurt (and the implied mentality that putting Gardner on the field is just asking for him to get hurt) is an overly cautious way to do it. It's not like WRs drop like flies. If both Denard (at QB) and Gardner (at WR) get hurt at the same time, that's a highly improbable and catastrophic series of events. I guess it's just a matter of how you view the balance of risk v. reward. I'd say the potential reward (assuming Gardner can actually play WR) outweighs the risk.
Plus, there are some recent examples of this working out well for other QB/WRs (the obvious being Tannehill, and I believe Nichol was the backup QB at MSU for a while when he first switched to WR).
To me, it is not about whether both will get hurt at the same time. It is about whether Denard gets hurt and if the replacement is suitable. The thinking being that having Devin takes reps and do preparations as a WR has to take away from his reps/preparation as a backup QB and Bellomy (spelling?) is an unknown at QB. That being said, if having Devin at WR allows us to put our best 11 out there, then I think that is the way to go.
Why can't he still take all of his reps as the #2 QB?
And then when he'd normally be sitting on the sideline watching Denard or Russ practice...instead, he'd be out there playing WR.
Why is that out of the question?
Are we worried about him practicing TOO much?
To be honest, I don't know how it works in football practice. Does taking reps at WR necessarily mean a reduction of QB reps? Seems like it would and even if it doesn't it certainly creates a distraction. However, in the working world I have never seen it work well when someone has "split" responsibilities. The theoretically paradigm of "your going to spend 1/2 your time doing what is normally a full time job and the other 1/2 doing a different full time job" always ends up in either one or both of the jobs not getting done (at least not very well) or the person working ungodly hours and burning out.
Keep in mind this was high school football, but I was in the same position DG is in now. After splitting starting duties at QB on the Freshman squad with a teammate of mine, I was promoted up to Varsity to back up our JR-stud qb for my sophomore year. Having spent all of training camp in a back-up roll (and wanting to play on the JV squad with my friends) I asked to be moved down. By then, my friend had the QB job nailed down so I moved to WR on offense while still assuming the roll of the backup QB.
I will tell you that it was quite possible to play WR and QB and not miss a step. You get less reps at each position and therefore may lose a little bit of your timing as a QB-- but if anything I think it gave me a better perspective of the field playing both pitcher and catcher. The key was that I put in extra time outside of practice (without coaches present) at both positions so if DG has the work ethic there's no reason he cant excel at both positions. The QB knows the responsibilities of every single person on the field in every formation, versus any defense. Footwork and technique may drop a little but there's no mental diadvantage to playing both positions.
See: Ryan Tannehill. He played WR for a couple years while being the backup QB and that worked out for him pretty well.
The biggest concern to me isn't who the backup to Denard is; I think we can all agree that Denard going down whatsoever would be decidedly catastrophic to us, no matter who is backing him up. If Gardner and Bellomy are at relatively the same level in terms of comprehension of the offense, and all indications seem that this is the case, I say throw Gardner out wide and let the kid play. He's been on the sidelines for two years now, why not let one of the most athletically gifted kids on team try it?
down would not be "catastrophic" to us. It would certainly be a bad thing, but not catastrophic. Otherwise, we will be in really big trouble next year when Denard graduates.
He's much more aggressive than Carr (and maybe Rodriguez); just think of how many times he went for it on fourth and short. It would be a calculated move with higher risk and higher upside.
Hoke seems to be the kind of coach who goes for it.
I look at brady like non-mercurial les miles. he makes the same aggressive decisions only without the hystrionics. did i use that term correctly - hystrionics? if my syntax is off i am sure i will hear about it.
Your syntax was on, but your spelling was off.
People talk like the odds are so high that if Devin plays receiver he'll get injured and be unavailable. Based upon what?. Receivers go through entire seasons major injury free constantly. And he's 6'4 and 220. Plus, if Denard gets hurt for the year or a few games, we are in trouble anyway. Bellamy has already been praised as a capable backup. And those basing their position on how good Devin is as a backup are literally basing their entiire case on his recruiting rating out of High School. They are not basing it on three years of spring game performances or spot duty, that's for sure.
the coaches are playing him there. That seems obvious.
and don't seem to worry too much about him getting hurt. When Devin is playing QB they will also have him running the ball some, so I don't see the big deal about him taking a few snaps at WR.
Whats more important, a starting WR or a backup QB?
Hell, what's more important, a #3 or #4 WR or a backup QB?
It's a legit argument. But he can get hurt in practice, IMO, you can't live in fear of him getting hurt over 20 plays a game at WR...5 of which he'll literally just be running around without getting touched by anyone.
Last year I felt as if we almost gave Devin plays just to keep him happy, but it KILLED our rhythm 9 times of out 10. Give him set formations at WR and he'll always have his head in the game waiting for those formations/sets to be called where he's involved. Whether he gets the ball or not, it just seems like he wants to play.
I personally think it would help, big time. I think you're naturally more involved in practice when you know you're going to play in the game. I think you're a better leader at QB, you have better body language and you're more involved when you're on the field. It's tough to be a leader because you're a QB, but be a backup...not everyone can do that.
For Devin's sake, I think he'd be a better QB by playing some WR. And if he's great, move him there perminantly and take your lumps with a Morris/Bellomy battle next year. If he's not so great, you know what you got at QB. Or maybe he's just good enough to get some snaps at WR, but next year he's still the #1 QB.
Doesn't matter, the thing is, the good outweighs the bad. And no matter what you're doing whats best for the team AND the player, IMO.
If I was a head ball coach, and i saw the other teams backup WR line up at wideout... Id walk a LB/SS over to jack him up every snap.
That being said... devin is 6'4 210 with gliding speed and way above average athleticism and a comprehensive understanding of WR routes.. I'll take it.
Just don't let him take any quick slants or crosses over the middle in zones.
It's not like that's a simple thing to do. Teams would do that to everyone if they could accomplish that.
You would probably also have your LB/SS whiff on him and let him get a wide open TD.
Plus if Gardner wants any shot at playing in the NFL, he needs to move to WR anyways.
Was going to write something, but Yost's post was more eloquent and spot-on.
Bottom-line: Devin's too good an athlete not to be on the field more. And I really suspect the more game time he gets, the more he will shine, no matter the position.
Do you believe it's guaranteed that if he plays 10-20 snaps a game there that he'll get injured? Or that if Denard gets hurt he won't be able to then step in at QB? Neither are true. If, and I say if, Devin is as good at WR as some observers Brian quoted have said, there is no legitimate reason at all to not play him there, none.
who can't see the picture the OP ostensibly posted?
I'm with you. Can't see it.
I deleted the picture that wasn't working and just put the text in.
this isn't one of those 3D optical illusion pictures, is it? because I can never see those either. :/
those are hoaxes, I have never seen them either so I have assumed it is a joke that I just miss on.
Completely Unrelated to DG to WR: I just saw your avatar and wanted you to know that I'm actually sitting in the Valpo Union right now. Far too many ND fans.
So the little red X means he's going to play the X wide receiver spot? Interesting!
Just make the move already. Having Gardner, Robinson, and Roundtree/Gallon at receiver is a lot more valuable than having a back up QB who really is struggling to keep up with the 3rd stringer as a passer at this time.
Plus hopefully we can redshirt Chesson or Darboh with Gardner at WR.
We all know how frustrating it is when you lose the main content of
From all accounts he's been a consistent performer. He gives a sound backup and also somebody who if excels is a pro-style guy to smooth the transition to post DR offense going forward. I think it is not as big of a chance putting DG on the field at WR where he is a significant threat. He might even enjoy being out there much more albeit not in his orginal position.
I think the fact that Russell Bellomy looked really good this spring should calm some of our fears. And again, maybe he'll just be a redzone threat or special package WR. Let's not all freak out here, we need a WR with big play ability, and he's it.
I'm all for moving Gardner to WR this year, but I still believe he is our #2 QB if something happens to D. Rob, and will be our "opening day" starter in 2013.
Okay, so if a reporter asked Brady Hoke, "Are you establishing some offensive packages that feature Devin Gardner as a reciever?" How do you suppose Hoke would answer? If Hoke's answer was, "Well, Devin is our Number 2 at QB, and we will try to figure out ways to creatively both Devin and Denard into the offense," would Al Borges feel comfortable supplying more information than that?
And so are we comfortable with Devin Tweeting more information than either Hoke or Borgess would supply to a reporter?
Just asking; not presuming anything one way or another.
They usher the press out of practice so they can work Devin at WR, they don't show the package in the Spring Game and the coaches won't admit to using him there. Then Devin post it on the internet. Go figure.
And as seen below, there is some doubt about the authorship of the page/post. I should have been more careful in reading the OP.
So there's that.
on the field and not throwing the ball. I think his biggest issue is decision making with the ball in his hands. Make the decision "catch and run" and he'll probably be a beast. He's looked terrible under center for two years now (i give him a pass for his freshman season) and if he's not going to be the QB we need him to be then fergodsakes put him at WR.
I will say this, that lateral cut he made in the spring game was jaw dropping. He's an elite athlete no question and would hate to see him riding the pine for his whole college life!!
Better than Denard (who was hurt with the staph infection)
but the wheels had fallen off Illinois by the time we slayed them. Not a very good sample size imo.
I feel like his first instinct is to run when he sees a gap. Problem is, in college that gap closes a lot faster than it does in HS.
Better he tweet "Looks like imma catch them TDs this year" than "Michigan, thank you for everything, but I have to do whats best for me" and transfer...
I hope he takes to playing WR...and honestly, I hope he gets so good that he's DOMINANT at the position. He doesn't look to be an NFL QB. Maybe a good college QB, we obviously don't know...but he has the physical tools to be a high draft pick at WR. If he can grasp the position, his ceiling is likely higher there than at QB in terms of draft stock.
I'd have NO problem with a Bellomy/Morris battle for the #1 job if it meant Gardner was the 2nd coming of Braylon Edwards. Braylon made Chad Henne, a true freshman look solid when the offensive coordinator didn't trust Henne at all.
Bellomy/Morris winner...with a semi-confident Al Borges isn't a bad option for 2013 assuming Gardner is a dominant WR. If he's just average or a backup, then he needs to be in the QB battle.
Again, I don't see a downside from this. You keep a VERY talented player interested, particularly in practice where he can only get better.
I actually think that this has the potential to work well, especially since Bellomy looks pretty good coming in as it is (and Morris coming next year) and Devin's legs make him a pretty real threat if he's got the ball. Even if just for a year, I certainly do not mind having a starting QB that can achieve warp speed and another WR that can run away with the ball as well - after Denard leaves, he can still be in that dual role too. I imagine, however, that Devin will continue to get QB time at least in practice so that he is available there at least situationally. It adds yet another dimension to the offense and, specifically in Gardner's case, might even be a better use of his pure athleticism so long as we have Dilithium.
I love this. if Denard gets injured long term then fine move DG back to QB. but Bellommy is fine as a Game Day Backup, great game manager, run the rock and run alot of short high percentage passes with him and things would be fine.
Remember how often we ran I-Formation/Pro Style sets at the beginning of last year? Borges adjusts to what's working. If Devin actually produces he's going to see a lot of time out there.
Devin should be a fulltime WR. It's likely his best position -- he has the potential to be a first rounder as a WR. Bellomy looks like he'll be at worst a servicable QB that can execute the offense. We have little talent at wide receiver.
The chance of Denard and Bellomy getting hurt and Devin getting hurt at receiver is relatively low, while the potential benefits of playing Devin at receiver are so high that it would be foolish not to play him at receiver full time.
I would love to see him at WR. Get as much talent on the field at once as possible! If Denard gets hurt just switch him back to QB. Have him take some QB snaps in practice s othat he ca nbe fresh and I see no reason why this isn't exciting news!
I love it and hope he sees a ton of snaps at WR. Yes, most of my excitement comes from the film of him at a camp when he "f***** around" at the position. He was "f***** around" like Ice Cube was when he went for a triple-double on the playground on that oh so good day (who is recording assists on the playground?). He looks like a natural and caught everything with his hands, away from his body. I can't wait to see this unfold.
personally i wish gardner wouldn't advertise this. i know that its not like there's any film of him at wr, but i don't want saban to be able to prepare for this at all. i'm probably overly concerned, but still....
Or it could be a ploy to make Saban waste time trying to design packages to cover him?
He may not prepare for it thinking that it's a ploy.
I thought that too. But at the same time, even if he caught them by surprise by playing wideout... It's a position on the field and he will be defended. Additionally there already is a dual QB package anyway.
That said, I'm betting Borges would prefer no tweets on this.
with no hog that day too so, I gotta say it was a good day from the start.
Fuck it. I'm just going to go ahead and Raback this.
Devin Gardner is going to become the 1st player in history to win the Heisman by primarily playing WR but also being QB2 and often being called on to spell Denard.
In fact he will catch at least 1 touchdown where he takes a 7 step drop and fires the ball 70 yards downfield only to blow past the safetys and catch the ball himself jogging into the endzone.
Asked, why he didnt play defense too ala Charles Woodson he says "Because Chuck did that, and I wanted to do something different".
This makes me very happy.
here is clearly Miranda Sanford. She used her journalist skills with the statement "Your gonna be a beast!" to get Devin to reply "Only in certain packages."
Looks like she needs to retake "your you're 101."
Do you guys not realize this is his Fan Page? The likelyhood that Devin Gardner runs this page is incredibly slim.
This is just some dumb fan's attempt to get his page more views and "likes." You guys are reading way too much into this.
Ha, Silly Internet
The internet strikes again. I never even thought about that. I saw this posted on another board and didn't even question the authenticity of the facebook page.
If Devin has the hands, Denard to Devin could become the Michigan version of Stafford to Megatron.
You just picked one of the 2-3 best QB/WR combos on the planet to compare to a college QB with 15 INTs last year and an inconsistant arm and a backup QB who's going to try out WR.
Let's just pray they can do this (:45 mark):
You gotta play to win, get your best players on the field.
He is a dynamic athlete and playmaker. This also gives him a chance to impress scouts at a likely NFL projection spot too. He should still be the backup qb. Bellomy has proven nothing yet.
He is a dynamic athlete and playmaker. This also gives him a chance to impress scouts at a likely NFL projection spot too. He should still be the backup qb. Bellomy has proven nothing yet.
This is from a fake face book account
FWIW, it has been reported by a "Michigan Spokesperson" that that isn't Devin Gardner's Facebook page, and is actually run by a fraud pretending to be him. Kinda irrelevent though as it seems that Gardner has been put into some formations as a WR as reported by mpbear14 and even mentioned by Borges that he would be used as a WR in special packages. So for future reference, if you see something posted by "him" that seems off-the-wall, consider the credibility. Did anyone tweet DG and ask him about his post?