I was at every home game during the RR era, and the only booing I recall were a couple of give-up-and-end-the-half drives at the end of halftime.
Oh, and some idiots wanted to boo Obi Ezeh on senior day.
I was at every home game during the RR era, and the only booing I recall were a couple of give-up-and-end-the-half drives at the end of halftime.
Oh, and some idiots wanted to boo Obi Ezeh on senior day.
Isn't that the lead singer of a popular top 40s rock band?
For some reason that picture reminds me of who I really am.
Are you having fun yet?
He looks a little down...into the bottom of every bottle.
Hey heyyyy, I wanna be a blog star...
Look at Brian's photograph.
Everytime I do it makes me laugh.
How did his get eyes get so red...
And what the hell is on Brian's head?
he was the lead singer of the band that played the halftime show at the Lions Thanksgiving game...
It was Molk's speech at the Football Bust, not Martin's. And yes, I have heard scattered boos in 2007, 2008, 2009 and 2010.
And yes, I heard some rather forceful booing in 2009 and 2010 of a kind that Molk and his teammates would have clearly heard. I do think, as others have pointed out, that it was to a great extent motivated by some fans' antipathy toward Rodriguez; but it is also nuts to think that under those circusmtances, a player on the field, coming off the field at the half or the end of a game, wouldn't feel as if he were being booed.
I know for a fact that I had words with people in my section who were booing in 2009 and 2010. They were not people who customarily held the season tickets for those seats; I wish I could be assured of seeing them again, to remind them of Molk's words, but I doubt it.
I spent plenty of time booing RR from a seat at big house or home because of what he was doing to the program.
Ignorant comments like “We didn’t get stupid overnight and all that when we lost a few games.” or the complience problems with practice. Sure, booing doesnt help the cause, but giving the guy another year would've made things worse in the long run.
Molk has a right to be frustrated and has always been open about it wasnt the Michigan he was expecting to walk into... We may not understand what its like to be in the players shoes, but we too have experience hurt and frustration to a degree. The lack of confidence was spreading like a wild fire until we found the right man job and had leaders like Martin, Molk, and the rest of the seniors that brought this program back to what we all expect.
When Rosenberg and his editors decided to go after Rodriguez on something like "Compliance" (it's "complance" with an a, you should know), they were clever enough to know that they'd be getting people like you as a rapt audience. Plenty of former players too. Hitting Michigan where it would hurt most. A gut-punch in Michigan's "respectability." People like you must give people like Rosenberg and the Freep editors a great deal of satisfaction.
Fans that weren't season ticket holders being the true problem and I'am some sort of Freep lover? Interesting assumptions... really, it sounds like opinions that would come from the mouth of a fan expressing his/her disapproval by booing.
what Molk is/was frustrated with was you and half-ass fans of your ilk. He has stated as much a few different times, wondering why people who call themselves 'back with the program' ever left to begin with.
Fortunately you are probably just as disgraceful and disloyal in other aspects of your life, so hopefully you will pay for it there.
Its idiots like mtzlblk and section1 who turn a comment from a college student into a personal attack on a chat room (of all places). Who are you to cast the first stone and label someone disgraceful or disloyal in all aspects of there life?
Someone that serves their country overseas doesnt have the priveledge to get season tickets and attend every game. Someone serving their country overseas doesnt have the privilege to sit infront of Fox News all day and mutter opinions about other people. Disloyal is the last thing I'am... Its comments like these I would expect from the school down south.
I have no idea what you are even talking about with someone who is serving their country overseas or what that has to do with season tickets or sitting in front of Fox News.
Care to elaborate?
The bottom line is this, you were the one justifying the fact that you sat in the stands and boo-ed your coach and team and, quite frankly, it is reprehensible. It is not what a real fan does. When your team is down, that is when you cheer the hardest and let them know you are behind them no matter what. You sat on your ass in the stands and boo-ed a bunch of kids who were out on the field giving it their all....for you. If you think they heard it and said to themselves, "oh, that's just for the coach and not for me," and shrugged it off, then I would invite you to read Molk's comments again. They did not. Let me reiterate, you sat on your ass in the stands and boo-ed a bunch of 17-18-19 year old kids who play football for Michigan who were overmatched and playing their hearts out.....for you. Think about that and then tell me what kind of fan or person does that? My comments stand.
On the outside chance you are actually serving overseas right now or in the past (which I might surmise from your comments, but not sure), would you turn on your unit or your CO the moment things weren't going your way there? I think not, so I don't understand why you did it for a team that you profess to support?
Boo-ing while kids are on the field is the act of a feckless, chinless, spoiled fan. Plain and simple. Whatever your problems are with the coach, you support the players while they are on the field. End of story.
Please tell me you aren't putting forth watching Fox News as a privilege........
You mentioned "complience problems" [sic] as being a Rodriguez problem; such a severe problem, in fact, that you were one of the people booing the team/Rodriguez on game days.
And the reason that that brings Rosenberg and the Free Press directly into the mix is that such thinking, on the part of poorly-informed fans like you, is directly attributable to the malicious work at the Freep, as most followers of MGoBlog now understand.
I find this website to be the only place to obtain reliable information on the team, but its at the expense of loud mouth fans like yourself. The fact that your buddy goes off on his temper tantrum about being disgraceful, but then calls out someone he never meet before on an online chat room, is like the pot calling the kettle black. I honestly took his comment to heart, but after reading a history of both of your post on other threads, I realize that I have more self control then you may suggest.
Bottom line, my booing was directed at RR (im not sure where you're getting the kids from)and I also made the comment that it doesnt solve anything, however, I will not listen to a bunch of old loud mouths deny that they NEVER expressed frustration in public about where RR was taking the team (at the big house or not).
Was written for people like you. Actually, it may have been written for people like me; but it ought to be required reading for people like you.
For all of the people who suggest, "Section 1, we all got it a long time ago; the Free Press was inexcusable. You are beating a dead horse, because everybody already gets it..." I submit you, as evidence to the contrary. Some people -- like you -- really haven't gotten it.
I'll say this, I appreciate your "Three and Out" plug on the dear diary section and will most likely purchase the book this weekend. Sure I don't know all the details, but I know he wasn't good for the school anymore. I also think some of you "true" fans take it a bit far sometimes. I don't know or care to meet either of you, but if anyone wants to call me disloyal/disgraceful in all aspects of life, we are going to have problems.
I called you misinformed, and only because you made the absolutely risible claim that the Rodriguez/compliance issues had nothing to do with the Free Press. When in fact the Free Press was the sole proximate cause of the NCAA investigation. And the NCAA investigation was the leading element in the poisonous off-field atmosphere for most of Rodriguez's tenure in Ann Arbor. And the Free Press' motivations were so blatantly malicious. (No one can honestly claim that Michigan football players needed protection from a renegade coach, and no one can honestly say that Michigan's football program was dirty. But that is exactly what the Free Press claimed.)
And it wasn't just Stretchgate, of course. There was Boren, whose true story was never told, and instead the Freep reported the basically made-up story that Rodriguez was too tough, or his language was too foul, or something else. Instead of the fact that Mike Boren expected a legacy scholarship for Zach, when Rodriguez had no need of any fullbacks.
And there was the death by a thousand cuts -- cuts against Rodriguez that were almost exclusively concocted by Snyder and/or Rosenberg: the "Katrina" reference at the '09 Bust; the Demar Dorsey witchhunt, the (basically failed and/or overblown) reporting on extraneous Rodriguez "scandals" like the failed real estate deal and the West Virginia buyout litigation.
All of this, is why you should buy the book, read it, and instead of lending it to your friends, tell them all to buy their own copies so that all of you can go over the details together and compare your respective memories and impressions, and make certain that you understand it all.
Anyone know how much he got paid to be the lead singer in the new FreeCreditReport.com ad?
When I first saw it, I took it as a call to ramp up our donations.
there was most definitely booing just before halftime of the '08 wisconsin game. loud booing. i didn't make it back for many games during the RR era, but i have to imagine there were more as well.
I'm pretty sure I remember the boos that day too. That first half was pretty awful football. Molk didn't play in 2009 so even though he would still obviously hear and feel the boos I don't know if he would be talking about that year as much.
This is the only time I remember hearing booing and thinking that it was directed towards the players. I also remember late in the 3rd quarter, Michigan completed a pass that brought our passing numbers out of the negatives (this was how bad the first half was) and that got a sarcastic cheer from the crowd that even the announcers on TV commented on.
The fact that those same players came back out and played the most exciting half of football I had ever witnessed just makes it that much more embarassing that there were so many boos at the end of the first half.
i remember the sarcastic cheer as well, though i recall the reason being that we hadn't gotten a first down in basically forever and finally did. i participated in the sarcastic cheer. not the booing though. that has no place in college football, even if your boos were "directed at the coaches" as some people claimed.
Section 18, where seldom was heard a discouraging word. Molk might have been boo'd around campus but I pity the fool who would have tried it. I never heard a word against the players.
I remember some boes from the fans. I don't believe I ever personally boed (at our team), but plenty did. Some games under RR were extremely frustrating, so I understood where they were coming from, but at the same time these guys are working hard out there.
I do not understand where the fans are coming from for ever booing the maize and blue. "Go Blue" is unconditional and Molk, Martin, Van Bergen, and Tate wore the same winged helmet that Desmond, Woodson, and Hutchinson wore. Completely unfair to the players from 08-09 to boo them in any case.
The one time that I booed was when we decided to punt with 6 minutes left, down 14, I believe, against Iowa. That wasn't for the players, but for the coaches.
I highly doubt the boos are ever directed at the players on the college level. If the coaches don't have the players prepared, that is on the coaches. I would really hope everyone understands that these are 18-22 year old players, not professionals. The guys getting paid are the guys that get the boos (which means the players at Ohio are getting booed too, but that's beside the point).
It was against Michigan State in 2010. That and going into halftime of the wisconsin game in 2010 were probably the only two times I was so furious at the coaches that I voiced my opinion.
2008 Wisconsin I was too stunned to boo.
2008 Wisconsin game at half time jumped right to mind for me.
I seem to remember boos before halftime-multiple turnovers in a row. It was the ugliest half of football I have ever watched..
I don't remember who was calling that game, but as the team was going in for halftime, he said, "To call Michigan's offense inept would be an insult to inept offenses everywhere." Amazing we ended up pulling that one out.
Yup, that was the one. I was at every game during RR's tenure and at halftime the boo birds could be heard loud and clear. Of course, the place was rocking when we came back in the second half and stuck it to the Badgers.
Other than the Wiscy game, I remember some groaning on occasion, but not anything more than that.
The defense was the usual recipient of the boos, usually as they left the field at half time. It wasn't often, but it did occur.
I think they're generally booing the coaches. But since they're all on the same sideline, it's probably best not to boo. I mean, I could see booing lack of effort, if they come out sloppy and lackadaisical...but how can you ever really tell? Not sure it's constructive. If you want to let a coach know how much you hate him, apparently that's what message boards are for.
Though if someone runs out the clock with 2 minutes left in the half, or runs 3 times up the middle, rather than trying to score, I think our players are smart enough to figure fans are booing the playcalling and not them.
The booing was definitely not intended for the players but it's understandable that they would take it a directed at them...overall Im against booing ones own team unless it is a rare case, like a Suh-ism ( stomping someone)
Booing is booing. (They do say that, right?)
They were saying "Boo-urns."
My experience in the past few years of games is that the boo's generally are at the product, with no differentiation between coaches/players/whatever. However, I have heard over the past few years (and is probably more prevalent due to the losing) some downright embarassing and awful things yelled at Denard, Lewan, Stevie Brown and various other players while sitting in the crowd. These were things that wouldn't fit in with the crowds in Ohio Stadium fergodsakes. Its certainly dispelled the belief in my mind that we as Michigan fans are "better" than some of the tactics and things said at other venues in college football.
Fans boo'd Carr all the time. Like if he took a knee before the half. That shit goes on. I realize that this senior class in particular went through a hell of a lot compared to other Michigan football classes, but the whole "us against the world" is waaaay overblown. Booing was not a constant occurrence by the majority of fans. Did the booing increase a bit under RR? Perhaps, but so did the losing. To pretend like the Michigan fan base as a whole was constantly booing the players is grossly disingenuous.
Yes, I remember some booing during the later Carr years for his playcalling. Like Braylonfest, which I went to. The fans were going crazy, and rightfully so, for us not attempting to throw the ball until the 4th quarter. And there were boos when Navarre took a knee against Penn State in 02 to go to overtime instead of trying for a hail mary. There's been boos for as far back as I can remember to not try for points just before halftime.
I can't speak for games during the RichRod years since I only went to a couple of those. But whenever it came to booing, I was always under the impression that it was for the playcalling, not the players. Even when Navarre was QB, I don't remember hearing booing for as unpopular as he was. I remember moans and groans but never booing. The only player I have heard that actually got booed from fans was Steve Smith in the early 80's.
The 08 Wisconsin game, we were down 19-0 at half time. I remember being able to hear the boos on TV, which is usually kind of hard to do.
I'm embarassed to admit that I booed the Michigan team once...when I was at the Oregon game. That was as frustrated as I'd ever been at a Michigan football game. After "The Horror" I'd have thought that they'd come out with fire in their eyes. It looked to me like the team was ill-prepared and had quit on Lloyd.
My then 6 year old son was with me, and told me that I wasn't being a good fan (I'd told him many times that good fans don't boo). He was right...I was ashamed of myself.
It's bad form, but I can understand how frustration can boil over at times. Having said that, I won't be doing it again...
+1 for teaching your son what it means to be a good fan.
I'm willing to overlook the fact your son needed to remind you what is means to be a good fan. I was at that game, and that was about the ugliest first half of football I have ever witnessed. That said, I heard the boos and was disappointed in my fellow M fans; amateur athletes do not deserved to be booed for lack of results.
I had to laugh at one point....my son pointed out that at least in the game last week that they didn't lose by as many points. Ah, for the innocence of childhood. :)
There was a season (I'm thinking '84), where we booo'd every time he called the 'ole up the middle for two yards on first down. And we booo'd him when he got mad at us for doing the wave too.
Molk is right though - booing could be heard several times over the last few seasons. Wisconsin probably was the worst. And then there were the signs, etc. Not to mention all the criticism leveled at Denard this year.
To be honest, there were some times where the team had clearly given up, and a little booing at the product was probably a fair assessment.
People booo'd this year, but usually for not being aggressive enough at the end of the halves (coach decisions, not players).
But I would imagine that the players took a lot of the hate and criticism leveled at Rodriguez to heart.
That the struggled through it and succeeded is a true testament to their character.
empty water bottle throwing story.
Also, I was at the Wisconsin 08 game and at halftime people were booing. I was too busy sitting with my head in my hands wondering what the hell we had gotten ourselves into. Then we promptly had one of the best comebacks in Michigan stadium history in the 2nd half and won.
Moral of the story is to boo early and often and they'll get the message at halftime and stop sucking!!
I had not thought of that.
2010 Wisconsin I distinctly remember the fans booing as we went for field goals.
I did say "ugh" to myself each time.
but I was a lifeless zombie at that game. Numb was how it felt. Not angry, not bitter, just numb. It was a terrible feeling that I don't wish to ever feel again.
Exactly how I felt. I didn't boo during the RichRod years, but mainly because I was in such a state of shock with what had happened to my beloved Michigan. I would sit and stare off into the distance, rocking back and forth, with a glassy look in my eyes, as I painfully watched Sheridan or Threet try to run the spread. Oh, I'm getting flashbacks! I'm starting to shiver and get the cold sweats. NOOOOO!!!! Make it stop!!
Those were the days of 114,000 Facepalm Guys every Saturday.
I've seen it. I called a guy behind me during the UTL game (not the RichRod era, but still) a "dick" for booing Denard and calling for Devin.
Let's not pretend that among 114,000, there aren't annoying pricks that boo, and let's not pretend it's the players job to distinguish between booing playcalling and booing the players.
Easy thing to do? Support the team in thick and thin. Period.
The idea that real fans won't boo is ludicrous. The fans support that program with the price of their ticket, which is the life blood of the Athletic Department. If they feel that they aren't getting their money worth, go ahead a boo. Some of the best and most rabid fan bases boo and boo regularly. It shows that they are interested in the team and that they have great expectations, which ultimately guards against indifference within the team/program.
I understand that these kids aren't professional athletes, but its not like they don't get benefits from playing.
And with the seat licenses and higher prices of tickets, fans should expect to see a great product on the field.
EDIT-I am not talking about personal attacks on players or coaches, just the effort of the team/product on the field
the idea that real fans would boo is ludicrous. I don't care what you paid for your ticket, you haven't given anything in comparison to what those players on the field have. If collegiate sports is just about being entertained and getting your money's worth then I feel sorry for you. I don't care what it costs you to maintain your seats or what you expect from the team..they don't owe you shit. If I sat near you or anyone else who boos a University of Michigan team I'd call you out for being a complete embarassment to the program.
I never said real fans boo. ReRead my post. What I am saying is that the argument of why not to is because, or they try hard is kind of a cop-out. These programs are where they are bc fans like ourselves buy tickets, merchandise, jerseys, membership to fan forums, donation, etc. They spend millions of dollars on coaches off of the backs of the middle class, and the only way these fans can provide feedback is to cheer or boo. But what people are saying is to be a large mass of yes men that should just shut up and provide the income needed to fuel new practice facilities, upgrades, recruiting, other athletic programs, etc without voicing displeasure seems wrong.
The real way to show displeasure is to NOT buy tickets, merchandise, jerseys, membership to fan forums, donations, etc. That'll get a message to the people who can do something about it, and a one they'll actually care about. If you think booing at halftime makes an AD say "hmmm...maybe I should fire my coach", I don't know what to tell you. Now "hey, we're playing in front of a half empty stadium..." might get their notice.
the problem with booing is that it's so indiscriminate. It's like firing a shotgun into a crowd, innocent people are going to get hurt. You can say it's directed at the product or the coaching staff but in fact there is no way for anyone on that sideline to know who it's focused on. Which means whether intended or not the players can quite easily think you're booing them. I don't care what's going on in the game there is no excuse for booing 19 - 22 year old kids. They aren't getting paid (unless they work farther South), they're student athletes that are sacrificing, giving up their bodies, their free time, their holidays, their personal lives to represent the University we love with pride and honor. There is no excuse to boo if it even has the chance of being perceived by those players as being directed at them. If they aren't putting forth the effort, if the game plan is bad or the play calling is bad that's the coaching staff. If you want to express your frustration at the coaching staff you need something a bit more direct and effective. You need a sniper rifle, your dollars or lack thereof are just that. Don't use a shotgun.
"I never said real fans boo."
Maybe I don't understand English like I thought I did, but doesn't this:
"The idea that real fans won't boo is ludicrous."
imply that real fans WILL boo?
And if our players shouldn't be boo'd, your argument fails to justify why our fan base boos any players on any college team. Fans do that and do that alot. Before every game we 'welcome' the other team.
will never boo a child, no matter what team they're on. But hey, that's just my opinion.
And yes, 18-19 year olds are children, no matter how physically developed they are.
The idea that any of us think we can tell others how they should conduct their fanhood is ludicrous. How people choose to behave as fans is their prerogtive. There is no wrong or right way and anyone who thinks otherwise is ignorant, naive, radical or all of the above. I for one don't boo at my own team during games. I will often curse out players and coaches under my breath when they do stupid things, or reasonably vent afterwards, but that's the extent of my negativity towards them. But I don't believe anyone is necessarily in the wrong if they go farther than that to express their displeasure.
Also, lest we forget, many of us here on this board are considered some of the more radical U of M fans and many other Wolverine fans look at us and our neverending rants and stalking all things Michigan during all hours of the day as a bit strange. Again, far be it from us to be telling be others how they should be fans...
will express our displeasure in this team in different ways. if you want to sit on ass and sip tea while michigan's playing poorly, thats your choice.
This is just plain stupid. You don't boo your team - that's rule number one of how not to be a bad fan and a jackass. No one likes the high ticket prices, but to say that that gives you the right to boo 18 and 19 year old kids who are working their asses off to try to bring pride to the Maize & Blue is just dead wrong.
I'm also sick of people saying that they're booing the coaches, not the players. You really think that subtle distinctions in target are discernible when a few thousand people start booing? Get real.
Do you really think when you boo them that they try harder/play better/want to win more than before?
No, they don't. Ohio State boos regularly. If you want to be like them, boo. Also please die.
A little over the top but the point stands...
he did say "please."
So apparently I can't comment directly to Brian about that childish comment....k
Ohio State fans also wish death on others for trivial matters such as this...Don't they?
Real fans support their team always, even when they're playing poorly. It happens, it's part of football. Players and coaches both make mistakes, and have bad games. It doesn't mean real fans aren't disappointed, but they always support their team.
Fair weather fans, on the other hand, only support their team when things are good. Booing is the opposite of support, so any fan that boos their team is a fair weather fan.
and MSU fans cheer injuries for their opponents and boo......so we should endeavor to be like MSU.OSU in all ways? Boo-ing is right in line with that kind of behavior and is something to be avoided at all costs.
Boo-ing while kids are on the field giving it their all, risking bodily injury, trying their hardest after weeks (lifetimes, perhaps?) of work in preparation......all for your enjoyment........is a shitty thing to do. No justification whatsoever.
As Michigan fans we are supposed to be better than that.
any sport when fans boo the players see it as the fans are booing the whole team including players and coaches. No one should ever have to hear boos rain down on them. As fans we should support the team even if they lost.
I recall fans booing during the '07 Oregon debacle. And I think there were some boos during Navarre's first full year at starter when the offense was really struggling.
IMO boos are generally directed at the coaches, like someone said when not going for it on 4th and short or just packing it in at the half instead of trying to take a shot downfield. That always drove people nuts.
I don't think I've ever booed, and I have only missed 2-3 home games in the last decade.
Having said all that - hey... you want to play in the big boy stadium, and there is big boy pressure to play well. You're not in high school anymore. If you stink up the field, you just might hear some boos.
I have never boo'd players but i sure as hell boo'd the coaching staff - especially in the latter days of the Carr era when the play-calling by Debord was borderline insane. I'm sorry but when the COACHING STAFF calls a 4 yard out to the Tight End on a 3rd and 12 I have a hard time applauding politely for the really good try. Or when we punt from the OSU 34 yard line on a 4th and 4 late in a game.
Exactly how does one express displeasure with the people who are paid to make intellengent decisions, not players, if not via a boo?
Also, booing or any type of verbal "cheer" (be it positive or negative) has the herd mentality attached to it. If a small crowd starts to boo, others hear it and almost subconsciously begin to boo as well.
Yeah I remember some, mostly 2009/2010. I losses I went to in 2008 (Illinois and NW) everyone was just numbed off (emotionally or physically) to boo. But mostly as time was winding down in the first half and we were just running out the clock (happened this year a little too).
The biggest I remember was last year Wisconsin, especially when they did their sound test, from where I was sitting it seemed like more people were booing than just making noise
That's just stuff from the last few years, I wasn't at many games before that, but I remember hearing a rumor that the students were cheering Chad Henne being hurt during '07
Hmm, I was a student in '07 and I don't remember any of that. I thought most people realized Henne was our best option after '06. The only time I ever heard Gutierrez chants was in early '05.
I don't remember anyone ever calling for Ryan "Oops" Mallett to come in.
I don't know, it was just something I heard Ira say one morning when I was driving to work
No, it definitely happened. I don't remember if it was at the App State game or the following week at the Oregon game, but I was in the student section and there were people down in the front/right area doing a very audible 5-clap "Ry-an Mal-lett" chant that lasted a good long time, and when Henne got injured, they cheered. I couldn't believe it, because yes, I too thought most people realized Henne was our best option.
However, as I've been thinking while sitting here reading first the latest 3&O thread, and now the "no one should boo"/"we deserve to boo" debate, with both sides thinking they're being totally reasonable, you should never assume that people are going to think about things and then "realize" the same thing that you did after thinking about them.
there were boos during the RR era ... most of the time it was when the teams left the field for halftime (or anytime in 2010 when the FG team went on the field ... or missed it). I was at every game and I heard it too ... never once have I booed other than at the opposition.
So as a player or coach, if you heard people boo ... you would make assumptions about who those people (idiots) were booing at. It's pathetic that our fanbase would boo their own team. Though in today's world I'm surprised some asshat didn't try to sue for "loss of entertainment" or some other fallacious reason.
Hate to disagree regarding fans not booing players. I remember DISTINCTLY people getting all over Boubacar Cissoko for getting burned for what seemed like the 5th time in one game (I think it was the Sparty game).
I rarely boo at the college level. I typically reserved it for Wayne Fontes back in the day. But Cissoko was brutal at times.
i was saying "boo-urns"
Yup, it definitely happened in 2008. I don't remember the exact game where it was most prevalent, but maybe because that was the least cromulent year of Michigan football since the Depression.
they are still out there.
and I was there at the MSU 2010 game that is referred to in the book. Fans that booed, were not boing the players, they were booing RR's decision to punt on 4th down instead of going for it with appx 6 minutes left in the game IIRC. I remember yelling something at the time about giving up/not trying to win the game, but it was definitely directed at Rodriguez, NOT the players.
In my book, you never boo players unless they are professionals (being paid large sums of money to play the game as their job). You don't boo college kids, HS kids or younger of course.
Of course we all(or most of us in stands) boo the opposing band when they play before the game. I got chastised at the Ohio game by some guy two rows in front of me when I stated that Michigan fans were more polite and mature than Ohio fans. I argued that booing the opposing band was in good fun toward the opposing "team" not the band members. He remained disgusted by the act, but ironically had no problem with "You Suck" at the end of Temptation when our defense forced the opposition to punt.
Michigan fans may give a short, half hearted boo to the team or band when the come out. OSU actually boos through the whole Michigan band's performance to the level you can't actually hear them sometimes.
I remember scattered halftime boos in the '80s when we weren't leading by 40 against random opponents. It happens. However, I don't think it happens as much as players think it happens because players are understandibly sensitive to boos and criticism.
Every team gets boo'd from time to time. In Michigan Stadium, 90% of the time, its because the offense didn't try to scoreright at the end of the half. Everyone has their own justifications for joining in on it. I think most would say they're booing certain play calls or coaching decisions (if not the coaches themselves) or they're booing what would appear to be a lack of effort (which is rare). Other times you hear the boo birds is when we have several things go wrong in quick succession; like a bad 3 and out, followed by a crap punt, followed by our D giving up a TD in one play, followed by muffing the kick-off... THAT type of thing can bring out enough boos that soon, many fans join in, but the sense (at least for me) is that they're booing the apparent lack of focus not insinuating that the players don't care or don't work hard enough.
I don't recall a time where I sat in the stands, personally felt like the kids we're playing their tails off, and were STILL getting boo'd. At least not recently. Some boos were of the "this is UMass! They have no business being IN this game! What the hell Dick Rod!?!" variety.
As an example, the one time I recall hearing some "WTF?!" booing was the 1992 Illinois game. That Michigan team was a juggernaut and the Illini we're "meh." Should have been destroying them, but the conditions were miserable and our backs couldn't hang on to the ball to save their life. The team, up to that point, had been crushing most everyone they played, so the fans were dismayed at the apparent ineptitude all-of-the-sudden. I just remember thinking "these guys have been busting their ASSES this year, they're undefeated (with one tie to ND) and you're booing them at the half in the middle of a rain storm?" I don't recall THIS kind of thing during the RR tenure, myself.
I remember the student section not booing, but chanting and counting off "1, 2, 3, 4....we want MOREEEEEE fumbles"...then "1, 2, 3, 4, 5....." and so on. The rain wasn't THAT bad, and I've never seen more dropped balls in a game in my life.
Football is supposed to be a tough game played by tough men. If players/coaches performance is really effected by booing, than what does that say about their toughness.
You have to take the good with the bad, the highs are high, and the lows are lows. Comes with the territory.
I agree that fans probably shouldn't boo as much at the college level compared to the NFL, but come on.
So if a DE lines up over Lewan and starts talking smack, should that really effect his play?
If you say that fans shouldn't affect players' play because they are tough guys, then why cheer at all? It doesn't fire them up anyway so what's the point? Why not just sit on our asses and stay silent the whole game. Oh wait . . . I just described a certain portion of the fan base! Oops.
"You have to take the good with the bad, the highs are high, and the lows are lows." <-- I would argue that the same goes for being a fan. If you're a true fan, you support the team through the highs and lows... and booing is not "taking the bad with the good." It's "vocally embarassing and tearing down players who are working hard and doing their best because it's not good enough for you."
You take them both, and there you have...
The Facts of Life.
And at least 10-20 certified assholes. I feel like the big house is pretty tame when you consider 100K+ in there.
The students at my high school must have been much more goal-oriented, as the certification rate was at least 2 to 3 times the rate of yours.
But then again, the high school I went to was in New Jersey.
I'm curious how one deciphers the boos intended for the coaches versus those meant for the kids?
I've heard boos before. It's rare but it happens. Usually the people I've heard boo usually follow it up with a tasty expletive followed by a certain coach's name. So there's that, I guess.
Its actually a lower-pitched boo when it is directed at coaches. More like a "BOOOO" sound. When directed at players, people use a higher-pitched boo, kind of like a "booooo" sound. Make sense?
let us all text in our specific grievances and post them on the megascreens.
Happy Early Festivus!
I don't boo our opponents and don't allow my daughter to do so. They are just college kids.
I thnk it really is a reflection on the fact that Michigan fans weren't "all in." He is right. I have been to all of the football games for the last 3 years and we really have supported the team a lot more this year. People did desert the team for a couple of years. But this is like the 40,000th time that we have reflected on this and the RR years. It is time to move on for the betterment of the program.
Before 2008. Yeah. Right.
(Might have something to do with winning every home game this year, vs. almost every other year..not)
He clearly didn't attend the 2007 Oregon game. The booing was so loud at times I thought Springsteen was on stage.
Hey, I hear there's this really good burger place here, should we try that?
Naw man....I want to go to that Chinese place we went to last time.
What about Zingerman's, we're in Ann Arbor right?
Way too pricey and the team didn't pay enough this time.
Oh right, well what about we go back to the hotel and Call Cottage Inn?
Dominos? are you F'in kidding me?
Dominos is pretty good...
Geeze, we really can't make the right calls, can we?
Well what about that play?
Um...that's not the right sport..
Oh yeah, forgot where I was for a second....
I don't know...roughing the kicker...
Dude it was 2nd Down...
they could have punted on 2nd down if they wanted...
Oh yeah, well how about offsides and we call it good?
Of the Wisconsin game in 2008.
I thought I remembered boos during Toledo 2008 as well
are by a perennial boo-bird (I'm section 20 ailse and he sits across from us in 21). All he does is shit-talk Denard the whole time. He's a total fucking prick and I want to punch him in his smug face every time I go. Wow . . . guess I had been saving that up for a while.
with a strong violent-diarrhea-causing laxative in it is definitely the way to go.
that or actually punching him in the face.
throwing a mostly empty water bottle at him on a regular basis.
I do actually try to calm my ire with people/actions like this by reminding myself that this person is probably like that all the time and that they actually live their life being an a-hole. Seems weird, but it helps.
1. Not that it makes it right but ticket prices have doubled in the last 10 years while most people in this state probably make less money then they did 10 years ago.
2. The addition of the club and suite seats have made the stadium louder.
3. There has always been some booing, but when your not preforming well your probably going to notice it more. (Kinda like when your broke it feels like the bills are comming in faster)
There were some boos at the Utah game as I remember. As well as the usual smattering for short field punts and halftime knees. I dont know that it was more epidemic than the Carr era(I've only been attending games since '95), but if Molk heard them and thought they were meant for him, there's really no way to defend it. I wish he could have felt how much we wanted them to succeed. And the hope we had for them. I'm glad they were able to enjoy some of that success this year. Those guys deserve it.
It's not always directed at the coaches and that is when I get frustrated.
1. Gibbons missed field goal vs. Wisconsin 2010. RR was booed for attempting the field goal, Gibbons was booed for missing it.
2. Tate Forcier fumble on first touch vs. Illinois 2010.
Good point, but from my experience, most booing of players comes from repeated mistakes of the same variety. Both examples you gave fall into that category. Repeated dropped passes is another thing that seems to get boos at the stadium. Not saying it's right, just that's my observation. Players don't seem to be booed on principle, like Joey Harrington or Sergei Fedorov.
The Biggest ones I can remember:
Toledo 2008. I am still pissed about this game. At least the horror was a decent team, not a bottom dewller MAC team (that yr), and it ended our perfect reccord against the MAC. Even typing this is making my blood angry.
I booed at Toledo 08. In hindsight do I wish I hadn't? Sure, I guess, but there's an irrational fan in all of us. And you don't get a free pass to express your criticism (likely more bluntly) just because you were watching/listening at home and kicking babies in the face and then hitting the message boards. Sports invoke emotions and players know that...theyve all been embarassed on the field by their parents at some point.
2008 Northwestern game was the first game I ever attended and there was a lot of booing which didn't give me a good first impression of Michigan fans (that has since changed). I also remember some booing last year when Tate was put in against Illinois which made the comeback seem even more satisfying for me.
man that was nasty
You save booing for the other team and the refs. Booing your own team is disgraceful. I don't care how poorly they're playing. I was at the 2007 OSU game, in the student section, and I couldn't believe how many people were booing Lloyd and chanting "Lloyd, you suck!" No, YOU suck for not supporting the team.
I feel better.
It makes me sad to know booing happens at all, and even sadder to think that the team noticed it enough to call out poor fan behavior. Anyone who has any experience playing sports (or acting or dancing or playing music in front of an audience, for that matter) knows that audience behavior can really, really affect performance.
Just as applause and encouragement can help fire you up, I can't imagine how hearing boos would do anything but deflate and discourage. So not only is it rude and ridiculous behavior for a fan, it's also counterproductive. It's *not* going to magically make your team or coaching staff better, and it might just do the opposite.
Sitting in the student section the last 7 years, booing is the most tame thing I've heard directed at a player. I can't tell you how many times I've heard "fans" call players hateful names, and at times wish them injury just so they could see some "real football". It made me sick to my stomach, and those people should be ashamed of themselves.
Yeah, Navarre got a lot of that type stuff. Not so much booing as "You suck!"
Compared to what Navarre got, the 2011 seniors got 4 years of foot massages.
He might just as easily been speaking figuratively, and there was plenty of "booing" in all the media, by a wide range of people. I know I heard boos at the stadium. They might have been directed at the situation, or the coaching staff, but they don't reach the field with little disclaimers attached. Also - that whole team thing - you boo my coach, you boo me. When it comes to what the team thinks, it is their perception that matters - if they perceived booing, you are not going to change their mind. In fact, I would probably enjoy watching someone try to change Molk's mind.
While I have never booed IN PERSON at a game I have many times watching on TV...When people pay these PRICES?? and get RRod and 3-9 or a 52-14 Bowl blowout loss??? they deserved to get booed..with each passing day it becomes CLEARER that RROD is a coaching Disaster!!!! i have no sympathy what so ever and to hear him say how he could have won "AT LEAST" 10 games this year makes me sick...not with your defense RR...Now your gone, so STFU about Michigan already....its like a bad dream...I shudder everytime I think of him...Thank You Dave Brandon for getting rid of him asap....if you did nothing else thats enough..
Speaking of bad dreams, I dreamt I read a post like this the other night.
Deep breaths, buddy, deep breaths. Put the gun away, okay?
Can I get a 'no sense'?
I dont think Molk meant majority of the fans, probably some emotional hardcore fans got after him. It's ok, we all know we love Michigan.
Different seats each game, and in all three there were Michigan fans around us booing.
I'm pretty sure I heard some boos too...but I thought they were Suh's...:)
I think Molk's point is the criticism of the team over the past three years (and you can try to separate criticism of the coach from criticism of the players but the players know that lack of execution by them reflects poorly on the coach, that's what being a "team" really means). That criticism included boos at the game and it included alumni, fans, media, and former players ripping the performance of these teams. Think: "This isn't Michigan Football." If that's not an implicit, if not explicit, rejection of the players AND the coaches, I don't know what it is.
I would definitely hear booing at half time, although I think it was mostly directed at the staff. It was "Booooooo-RR YOU SUCK-Booooo" type of stuff. Or Robinson (Greg, not Denard) was booed.
The loudest they got was when in 2010 we played some message from RR on the screens. That was booed at a tremendous level.
I never really heard much booing at a player or the team. Just at the staff.
It is literally impossible for a player on the sideline to hear a boo and determine whether it was meant for him, his teammates, or the coaches.
People who boo their own team—whether players or coaches—are no different from the people who scream epithets at their own kid (or their coach) when he strikes out at T-ball.
That's why I didn't boo. By year three though if there was some special frequency you could boo on and only the coaches would hear it, I'd have been game though.
How the hell do you strike out at T-ball?
The guy whose comment was blocked who said fans are justified for booing players based on effort.
These kids aren't professionals -- and anyone that doubts the effort it takes to get to the point where you (1) are able to don the Winged helmet; and then (2) step on the field to play for U of M are crazy.
You lack effort on a DI football field, you probably get yourself hurt. The a-holes sitting in Row 60 (season ticket holders like myself, or not) are in no position to judge "effort." How about this - assume effort... and if a UM player ever misses a block because he's holding a Nintendo DS in his hands, or a WR ever drops a pass because his hands are occupied with a half eaten Big Ten Burrito... then boo.
Until then? Cheer the college kids playing.
and its a big reason why a large portion of the Michigan fanbase shouldn't even bother supporting the team till the last guys who played for Rodriguez are gone. People spent the last three years contributing towards the toxic atmosphere around the program, riding these guys into the ground - whether you realize it or not - with their endless negativity and now they want to pretend like everything is cool.
The same guy that you - you know who you are - spent the last three years mocking these guys for being "too small", for being tiny slot receivers, for being the worst team ever, for being terrible... just went 10-2, beat Ohio and are going to a BCS bowl.
They are more "Michigan" from a success standpoint than just about every team from the second half of Lloyd Carr's career....possibly longer. If they win the Sugar Bowl, they are the best Michigan team since, what? 1999? 1997? Pretty good for a team that according to a lot of you lacks talent, a real quarterback and a contains a bunch of nobodies on defense.
You get to enjoy the success due to a lack of accountability. But just know you don't deserve it.
you are a fuckstain if you do.
no matter what team, what sport, whatever
As a student, I’m not the biggest fan of football players’ attitudes. This kind of “us versus the world” bullshit, and acting like they’ve somehow been terribly victimized. Let’s put this into context: they get to attend a world class institution for FREE, and in the case of some of them, have the potential to make multi-million dollar contracts playing a game. A game that’s entertaining to watch? Yes. But in the end it is a game.
Now, I don’t personally boo. I just find it difficult to take a football player seriously when they go on about the “anguish” they have to endure. Somehow, I don’t have too much sympathy for them. Not when there are people here paying OOS tuition without parental support in order to get a job in an ailing economy, without the slightest hope of ever earning a fraction of what some of these athletes have the potential of making.
I know there is about a 100% chance I get down voted for this. Also, at least one person will respond saying that I can’t possibly know what it’s like having to balance student responsibilities with their athletic responsibilities. But again, they’re getting paid for it, and have the privilege of attending a university that many of them wouldn’t have been able to get into otherwise.
And for that person out there who believes “Then stop attending games. We won’t miss you” is a clever and snappy response, you’ve misunderstood. I will continue to attend games, and enjoy the team and sport. I will continue to think that people who boo are misguided. I just happen to believe that it’s a bit difficult to take extremely privileged people seriously when they complain.
I'm not sure sure what your definition of free is, but looking at the numbers coming out of the PracticeGate investigation, the amount of work put in for just countable hours is tremendous. If you attach even a minimum wage level of compensation to that, you are looking at a lot of $$.
Let's also consider the things they give up to play football while at college, the parties, the almost complete lack of responsibility, the massive amount of socializing and fun that comes with attending a school with a few thousand people your own age, perhaps the ability to study whatever major you want due to time constraints.
They also take a huge risk of bodily injury, either an abrupt, career-ending one, or ones that will appear later in life as a result of repeated/constant impact to the head, knees, spine, etc.
That...is not free.
Please also consider that very few of these guys are going to the NFL and they likely know it better than you do. I don't know an exact percentage, but the number of these guys making a career in the NFL is astronomically low.
Also, remember that the entire program, the gameday experience, the history, the tradition and everything you love is built on their backs and that the athletic department runs on the revenue they generate. If you apportion the amount of profit from football revenues on a a per player basis, they are paying the U back in spades several times over.
So yeah, boo them when you don't get enough of what YOU want and delude yourself into thinking you aren't acting like a petulant three year old. Good idea.
Is when its a clear its due to a coach's actions.
If it is 4th and short and you can see the players want to go for it and the coach sends on the punt team, then displaying your displeasure seems fair. They get paid millions to win games and they are not trying to win them. Let them know.
Booing a 19 year old because he throws a pick is dumb.
The only time I've booed at something other than a penalty was when the refs postponed our opener due to rain. That was a fun game, anyway
to boo the female adult entertainment dance services provider at which time she requests monetary compensation for said services. But not at an NCAA football game.
of the real reason why people booed during the Rich Rod years, because the people on this blog are an extremely unrepresentative sample of the kinds of fans that 90% of Michigan fans are. And on that note, I think you're misunderstanding Molk's quote entirely.
The fact is, most Michigan fans are not primarily concerned with what the coaching staff's philosophy is. Were there some people who booed because they hated Rich Rod with a passion and thought he was the wrong guy to lead the program? Yes, plenty.
But how many of those 114,000+ at the Stadium do you think actually know anything about offensive scheme? Maybe 1 out of a hundred? Or less? Most people j ust go to watch the football game, and as Michigan fans, they want to see their team win, and it doesn't matter one bit who is coaching. So when we repeatedly got our asses kicked, they got upset, and they booed. Like it or not, that's just what happens. This is Michigan fergodsakes. We expect to win. Every game. Therefore when we are down 24-0 at haftime with less than 50 yards of offense, people are going to express their dissatisfaction, often in the form of booing.
Molk is merely pointing out that for the players, it hurts, because the source of a lot of their troubles was beyind their control. They were working as hard as they possibly could, and it's tough when you put all that work in just to get booed. The players shouldn't really have taken it personally though (although I can understand how it would have been very difficult not to), because it's not personal. It's just something that happens. People boo all the time.
On a side note, I have never booed the Maize and Blue out of dissatisfaction for the team's performance. Like others, I occasionally boo if we take a knee three straight times before halftime with over a minute left if I happen to think the coaching staff is making a legitimately poor decision. And I wouldn't say I am directing that towards any people in particular, just towards the decision itself, so to speak.
being told over and over again by your own fans and media that you are the worst team ever in Michigan history is definitely something the players on those teams shouldn't take personally.
doesn't make it right.
This was not limited to RR years, see treatment in the past of a young Chad Henne, Lloyd Carr, Navarre.....all happened, none were justified.
Boo-ing is a reaction from an infantile segment of the fan base that are getting enough of what they want. plain and simple.
Honestly, that comment annoyed me, because I've been a season-ticketholder for a few years now and I've never booed the team, nor have I ever heard many people around me booing. (Yeah, I've noted the occasional boo-bird, but we're talking a smattering of people out of 110,000.)
Molk seems to take for granted the fact that, unlike almost every other sports fanbase on the planet, our fans kept on turning out when things got bad. We went 3-9 in 2008 and still filled up the largest stadium in the country the next year. We went 5-7 in 2009, and still had a waiting list for season tickets in '10. We lost six games last year, and still had a waiting list in 2011. All this while ticket prices have continued to climb. What else were we supposed to do?
The vast majority of us never stopped supporting the team. When Molk goes to the NFL, then he'll really learn what a fair-weather fanbase looks like.
the Michigan fanbase is one of the most fairweather, spoiled, selfish I've ever witnessed.
There's about 20% of it I wish I wasn't associated with due to their destructive nature over the last three years.
unrealistic, uninformed, over-entitled....I could go on ;)
For the children's sake, out there on the field playing, nobody should ever boo! I'm serious! They're only children fergodsake.
I wanted to boo the coaches so bad at the toledo game but instead we left early to go to the monkey bar and watched us lose by a field goal.
is the easiest way to voice displeasure but not always the most selective way. In the process of booing, other people you never intended to be harmed, become so.
i remember a game in 2010 greg robinson came out before everyone else at halftime to a standing boovation much deserved