Is Molk Right About The Fans(Edited)?

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I don't get to go to games very often. So I was curious if what David Mol said about people booing the players during RR tenure was true? I would tend to think that real fans would never boo. But if some felt really compelled to express their frustration I would hope that it would be directed at the coaching staff and never the players. Of course if you're a player on the sideline it's probably not easy to differentiate who the boo's are aimed at. Many of you are regular game attendees, what did you witness? Are some fans really that classless?

 

http://detroitnews.com/article/20111213/SPORTS0201/112130428/1131/sports0201/Michigan-seniors-selected-alternate-jersey-Sugar-Bowl

 

Edit: My apologies I meant to type David Molk but instead typed Mike Martin.

maizenbluenc

December 15th, 2011 at 4:42 PM ^

There was a season (I'm thinking '84), where we booo'd every time he called the 'ole up the middle for two yards on first down. And we booo'd him when he got mad at us for doing the wave too.

Molk is right though - booing could be heard several times over the last few seasons. Wisconsin probably was the worst. And then there were the signs, etc. Not to mention all the criticism leveled at Denard this year.

To be honest, there were some times where the team had clearly given up, and a little booing at the product was probably a fair assessment.

People booo'd this year, but usually for not being aggressive enough at the end of the halves (coach decisions, not players).

But I would imagine that the players took a lot of the hate and criticism leveled at Rodriguez to heart.

That the struggled through it and succeeded is a true testament to their character.

BrewCityBlue

December 15th, 2011 at 11:24 AM ^

empty water bottle throwing story.

 

Also, I was at the Wisconsin 08 game and at halftime people were booing. I was too busy sitting with my head in my hands wondering what the hell we had gotten ourselves into. Then we promptly had one of the best comebacks in Michigan stadium history in the 2nd half and won. 

Maizenblueball

December 16th, 2011 at 4:50 AM ^

Exactly how I felt.  I didn't boo during the RichRod years, but mainly because I was in such a state of shock with what had happened to my beloved Michigan. I would sit and stare off into the distance, rocking back and forth, with a glassy look in my eyes, as I painfully watched Sheridan or Threet try to run the spread. Oh, I'm getting flashbacks!  I'm starting to shiver and get the cold sweats.  NOOOOO!!!!  Make it stop!! 

Those were the days of 114,000 Facepalm Guys every Saturday. 

ThWard

December 15th, 2011 at 11:27 AM ^

I've seen it.  I called a guy behind me during the UTL game (not the RichRod era, but still) a "dick" for booing Denard and calling for Devin.

 

Let's not pretend that among 114,000, there aren't annoying pricks that boo, and let's not pretend it's the players job to distinguish between booing playcalling and booing the players.

 

Easy thing to do?  Support the team in thick and thin.   Period.

coldnjl

December 15th, 2011 at 11:30 AM ^

The idea that real fans won't boo is ludicrous. The fans support that program with the price of their ticket, which is the life blood of the Athletic Department. If they feel that they aren't getting their money worth, go ahead a boo. Some of the best and most rabid fan bases boo and boo regularly. It shows that they are interested in the team and that they have great expectations, which ultimately guards against indifference within the team/program. 

I understand that these kids aren't professional athletes, but its not like they don't get benefits from playing. 

And with the seat licenses and higher prices of tickets, fans should expect to see a great product on the field. 

EDIT-I am not talking about personal attacks on players or coaches, just the effort of the team/product on the field

lunchboxthegoat

December 15th, 2011 at 11:38 AM ^

the idea that real fans would boo is ludicrous. I don't care what you paid for your ticket, you haven't given anything in comparison to what those players on the field have. If collegiate sports is just about being entertained and getting your money's worth then I feel sorry for you. I don't care what it costs you to maintain your seats or what you expect from the team..they don't owe you shit. If I sat near you or anyone else who boos a University of Michigan team I'd call you out for being a complete embarassment to the program. 

coldnjl

December 15th, 2011 at 11:49 AM ^

I never said real fans boo. ReRead my post. What I am saying is that the argument of why not to is because, or they try hard is kind of a cop-out. These programs are where they are bc fans like ourselves buy tickets, merchandise, jerseys, membership to fan forums, donation, etc. They spend millions of dollars on coaches off of the backs of the middle class, and the only way these fans can provide feedback is to cheer or boo. But what people are saying is to be a large mass of yes men  that should just shut up and provide the income needed to fuel new practice facilities, upgrades, recruiting, other athletic programs, etc without voicing displeasure seems wrong.

 

M-Wolverine

December 15th, 2011 at 11:56 AM ^

The real way to show displeasure is to NOT buy tickets, merchandise, jerseys, membership to fan forums, donations, etc.  That'll get a message to the people who can do something about it, and a one they'll actually care about.  If you think booing at halftime makes an AD say "hmmm...maybe I should fire my coach", I don't know what to tell you. Now "hey, we're playing in front of a half empty stadium..." might get their notice.

Yost Ghost

December 15th, 2011 at 10:08 PM ^

the problem with booing is that it's so indiscriminate. It's like firing a shotgun into a crowd, innocent people are going to get hurt. You can say it's directed at the product or the coaching staff but in fact there is no way for anyone on that sideline to know who it's focused on. Which means whether intended or not the players can quite easily think you're booing them. I don't care what's going on in the game there is no excuse for booing 19 - 22 year old kids. They aren't getting paid (unless they work farther South), they're student athletes that are sacrificing, giving up their bodies, their free time, their holidays, their personal lives to represent the University we love with pride and honor. There is no excuse to boo if it even has the chance of being perceived by those players as being directed at them. If they aren't putting forth the effort, if the game plan is bad or the play calling is bad that's the coaching staff. If you want to express your frustration at the coaching staff you need something a bit more direct and effective. You need a sniper rifle, your dollars or lack thereof are just that. Don't use a shotgun.

JHendo

December 15th, 2011 at 12:52 PM ^

The idea that any of us think we can tell others how they should conduct their fanhood is ludicrous.  How people choose to behave as fans is their prerogtive.  There is no wrong or right way and anyone who thinks otherwise is ignorant, naive, radical or all of the above.  I for one don't boo at my own team during games.  I will often curse out players and coaches under my breath when they do stupid things, or reasonably vent afterwards, but that's the extent of my negativity towards them.  But I don't believe anyone is necessarily in the wrong if they go farther than that to express their displeasure.

Also, lest we forget, many of us here on this board are considered some of the more radical U of M fans and many other Wolverine fans look at us and our neverending rants and stalking all things Michigan during all hours of the day as a bit strange.  Again, far be it from us to be telling be others how they should be fans...

South Bend Wolverine

December 15th, 2011 at 11:38 AM ^

This is just plain stupid.  You don't boo your team - that's rule number one of how not to be a bad fan and a jackass.  No one likes the high ticket prices, but to say that that gives you the right to boo 18 and 19 year old kids who are working their asses off to try to bring pride to the Maize & Blue is just dead wrong.

I'm also sick of people saying that they're booing the coaches, not the players.  You really think that subtle distinctions in target are discernible when a few thousand people start booing?  Get real.

WolvinLA2

December 15th, 2011 at 4:24 PM ^

Real fans support their team always, even when they're playing poorly. It happens, it's part of football. Players and coaches both make mistakes, and have bad games. It doesn't mean real fans aren't disappointed, but they always support their team. Fair weather fans, on the other hand, only support their team when things are good. Booing is the opposite of support, so any fan that boos their team is a fair weather fan.

mtzlblk

December 16th, 2011 at 1:01 PM ^

and MSU fans cheer injuries for their opponents and boo......so we should endeavor to be like MSU.OSU in all ways? Boo-ing is right in line with that kind of behavior and is something to be avoided at all costs. 

Boo-ing while kids are on the field giving it their all, risking bodily injury, trying their hardest after weeks (lifetimes, perhaps?) of work in preparation......all for your enjoyment........is a shitty thing to do. No justification whatsoever. 

As Michigan fans we are supposed to be better than that. 

michfanigan

December 15th, 2011 at 11:29 AM ^

any sport when fans boo the players see it as the fans are booing the whole team including players and coaches. No one should ever have to hear boos rain down on them. As fans we should support the team even if they lost.

BlueGoM

December 15th, 2011 at 11:31 AM ^

I recall fans booing during the '07 Oregon debacle.   And I think there were some boos during Navarre's  first full year at starter when the offense was really struggling.

IMO boos are generally directed at the coaches, like someone said when not going for it on 4th and short or just packing it in at the half instead of trying to take a shot downfield.  That always drove people nuts.

I don't think I've ever booed, and I have only missed 2-3 home games in the last decade.

Having said all that - hey...  you want to play in the big boy stadium, and there is big boy pressure to play well.  You're not in high school anymore.  If you stink up the field, you just might hear some boos.

 

mGrowOld

December 15th, 2011 at 12:43 PM ^

I have never boo'd players but i sure as hell boo'd the coaching staff - especially in the latter days of the Carr era when the play-calling by Debord was borderline insane.  I'm sorry but when the COACHING STAFF calls a 4 yard out to the Tight End on a 3rd and 12 I have a hard time applauding politely for the really good try.  Or when we punt from the OSU 34 yard line on a 4th and 4 late in a game.

Exactly how does one express displeasure with the people who are paid to make intellengent decisions, not players, if not via a boo?

Lionsfan

December 15th, 2011 at 11:35 AM ^

Yeah I remember some, mostly 2009/2010. I losses I went to in 2008 (Illinois and NW) everyone was just numbed off (emotionally or physically) to boo. But mostly as time was winding down in the first half and we were just running out the clock (happened this year a little too).

The biggest I remember was last year Wisconsin, especially when they did their sound test, from where I was sitting it seemed like more people were booing than just making noise

That's just stuff from the last few years, I wasn't at many games before that, but I remember hearing a rumor that the students were cheering Chad Henne being hurt during '07

JDS

December 24th, 2011 at 11:15 PM ^

No, it definitely happened. I don't remember if it was at the App State game or the following week at the Oregon game, but I was in the student section and there were people down in the front/right area doing a very audible 5-clap "Ry-an Mal-lett" chant that lasted a good long time, and when Henne got injured, they cheered. I couldn't believe it, because yes, I too thought most people realized Henne was our best option.

However, as I've been thinking while sitting here reading first the latest 3&O thread, and now the "no one should boo"/"we deserve to boo" debate, with both sides thinking they're being totally reasonable, you should never assume that people are going to think about things and then "realize" the same thing that you did after thinking about them.

Indiana Blue

December 15th, 2011 at 11:32 AM ^

there were boos during the RR era ... most of the time it was when the teams left the field for halftime (or anytime in 2010 when the FG team went on the field ... or missed it).  I was at every game and I heard it too ... never once have I booed other than at the opposition.

So as a player or coach, if you heard people boo ... you would make assumptions about who those people (idiots) were booing at.  It's pathetic that our fanbase would boo their own team.  Though in today's world I'm surprised some asshat didn't try to sue for "loss of entertainment" or some other fallacious reason.

Go Blue! 

 

Ron_Lippitt

December 15th, 2011 at 11:34 AM ^

Hate to disagree regarding fans not booing players.  I remember DISTINCTLY people getting all over Boubacar Cissoko for getting burned for what seemed like the 5th time in one game (I think it was the Sparty game). 

I rarely boo at the college level.  I typically reserved it for Wayne Fontes back in the day.  But Cissoko was brutal at times.

BlueVoix

December 15th, 2011 at 11:35 AM ^

Yup, it definitely happened in 2008.  I don't remember the exact game where it was most prevalent, but maybe because that was the least cromulent year of Michigan football since the Depression.

AMazinBlue

December 15th, 2011 at 11:38 AM ^

and I was there at the MSU 2010 game that is referred to in the book.  Fans that booed, were not boing the players, they were booing RR's decision to punt on 4th down instead of going for it with appx 6 minutes left in the game IIRC.  I remember yelling something at the time about giving up/not trying to win the game, but it was definitely directed at Rodriguez, NOT the players.

In my book, you never boo players unless they are professionals (being paid large sums of money to play the game as their job).  You don't boo college kids, HS kids or younger of course.

Of course we all(or most of us in stands) boo the opposing band when they play before the game.  I got chastised at the Ohio game by some guy two rows in front of me when I stated that Michigan fans were more polite and mature than Ohio fans.  I argued that booing the opposing band was in good fun toward the opposing "team" not the band members.  He remained disgusted by the act, but ironically had no problem with "You Suck" at the end of Temptation when our defense forced the opposition to punt.

CRISPed in the DIAG

December 15th, 2011 at 11:42 AM ^

I remember scattered halftime boos in the '80s when we weren't leading by 40 against random opponents.  It happens. However, I don't think it happens as much as players think it happens because players are understandibly sensitive to boos and criticism.

Gitback

December 15th, 2011 at 11:42 AM ^

Every team gets boo'd from time to time.  In Michigan Stadium, 90% of the time, its because the offense didn't try to scoreright at the end of the half.  Everyone has their own justifications for joining in on it.  I think most would say they're booing certain play calls or coaching decisions (if not the coaches themselves) or they're booing what would appear to be a lack of effort (which is rare).  Other times you hear the boo birds is when we have several things go wrong in quick succession; like a bad 3 and out, followed by a crap punt, followed by our D giving up a TD in one play, followed by muffing the kick-off... THAT type of thing can bring out enough boos that soon, many fans join in, but the sense (at least for me) is that they're booing the apparent lack of focus not insinuating that the players don't care or don't work hard enough. 

I don't recall a time where I sat in the stands, personally felt like the kids we're playing their tails off, and were STILL getting boo'd.  At least not recently.  Some boos were of the "this is UMass!  They have no business being IN this game!  What the hell Dick Rod!?!" variety.   

As an example, the one time I recall hearing some "WTF?!" booing was the 1992 Illinois game.  That Michigan team was a juggernaut and the Illini we're "meh."  Should have been destroying them, but the conditions were miserable and our backs couldn't hang on to the ball to save their life.  The team, up to that point, had been crushing most everyone they played, so the fans were dismayed at the apparent ineptitude all-of-the-sudden.  I just remember thinking "these guys have been busting their ASSES this year, they're undefeated (with one tie to ND) and you're booing them at the half in the middle of a rain storm?"  I don't recall THIS kind of thing during the RR tenure, myself.

M-Wolverine

December 15th, 2011 at 12:03 PM ^

I remember the student section not booing, but chanting and counting off "1, 2, 3, 4....we want MOREEEEEE fumbles"...then "1, 2, 3, 4, 5....." and so on.  The rain wasn't THAT bad, and I've never seen more dropped balls in a game in my life.

Baloo_Dance

December 15th, 2011 at 11:48 AM ^

Football is supposed to be a tough game played by tough men.  If players/coaches performance is really effected by booing, than what does that say about their toughness.  

 

You have to take the good with the bad, the highs are high, and the lows are lows.  Comes with the territory.  

I agree that fans probably shouldn't boo as much at the college level compared to the NFL, but come on.  

 

So if a DE lines up over Lewan and starts talking smack, should that really effect his play?  

 

 

bluebelle

December 15th, 2011 at 2:52 PM ^

"You have to take the good with the bad, the highs are high, and the lows are lows." <-- I would argue that the same goes for being a fan. If you're a true fan, you support the team through the highs and lows... and booing is not "taking the bad with the good." It's "vocally embarassing and tearing down players who are working hard and doing their best because it's not good enough for you."