Is Molk Right About The Fans(Edited)?

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December 15th, 2011 at 12:16 PM
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Is Molk Right About The Fans(Edited)?

I don't get to go to games very often. So I was curious if what David Mol said about people booing the players during RR tenure was true? I would tend to think that real fans would never boo. But if some felt really compelled to express their frustration I would hope that it would be directed at the coaching staff and never the players. Of course if you're a player on the sideline it's probably not easy to differentiate who the boo's are aimed at. Many of you are regular game attendees, what did you witness? Are some fans really that classless?

 

http://detroitnews.com/article/20111213/SPORTS0201/112130428/1131/sports0201/Michigan-seniors-selected-alternate-jersey-Sugar-Bowl

 

Edit: My apologies I meant to type David Molk but instead typed Mike Martin.

 
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December 15th, 2011 at 12:18 PM | I was at every home game (Score:2 Normal)
MGoneBlue
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I was at every home game during the RR era, and the only booing I recall were a couple of give-up-and-end-the-half drives at the end of halftime.  

Oh, and some idiots wanted to boo Obi Ezeh on senior day.

December 15th, 2011 at 12:25 PM | He didn't look like this guy, did he? (Score:5 Funny)
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"I love him, he's a great coach, he's a great mentor, he's a great friend. He's every single thing you want a college coach to be, and he does it flawlessly." -David Molk

December 15th, 2011 at 12:27 PM | I've seen him before (Score:5 Normal)
Mitch Cumstein
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Isn't that the lead singer of a popular top 40s rock band? 

 

/s

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December 15th, 2011 at 12:45 PM | For some reason that picture (Score:5 Normal)
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For some reason that picture reminds me of who I really am. 

Are you having fun yet?

Hail.

December 15th, 2011 at 12:59 PM | He looks a little down...into (Score:5 Normal)
Dubs
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He looks a little down...into the bottom of every bottle.

"Welllllllll..."

December 15th, 2011 at 2:22 PM | Hey heyyyy, I wanna be a blog (Score:5 Normal)
Laser Wolf
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Hey heyyyy, I wanna be a blog star...

December 15th, 2011 at 12:48 PM | Pop Evil? (Score:5 Normal)
mGrowOld
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Pop Evil?

 

 

December 15th, 2011 at 1:36 PM | Look at Brian's (Score:5 Normal)
jhender85
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Look at Brian's photograph.
Everytime I do it makes me laugh.
How did his get eyes get so red...
And what the hell is on Brian's head?

December 15th, 2011 at 2:46 PM | I thought (Score:2 Funny)
nmumike
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he was the lead singer of the band that played the halftime show at the Lions Thanksgiving game...

 

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December 15th, 2011 at 2:33 PM | Molk, not Martin. (Score:2 Normal)
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It was Molk's speech at the Football Bust, not Martin's.  And yes, I have heard scattered boos in 2007, 2008, 2009 and 2010.

And yes, I heard some rather forceful booing in 2009 and 2010 of a kind that Molk and his teammates would have clearly heard.  I do think, as others have pointed out, that it was to a great extent motivated by some fans' antipathy toward Rodriguez; but it is also nuts to think that under those circusmtances, a player on the field, coming off the field at the half or the end of a game, wouldn't feel as if he were being booed.

I know for a fact that I had words with people in my section who were booing in 2009 and 2010.  They were not people who customarily held the season tickets for those seats; I wish I could be assured of seeing them again, to remind them of Molk's words, but I doubt it.

 

 

December 15th, 2011 at 4:34 PM | BOOOOOO (Score:-1 Flamebait)
December 15th, 2011 at 5:09 PM | You're proof of how smart Rosenberg was. (Score:4 Normal)
Section 1
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When Rosenberg and his editors decided to go after Rodriguez on something like "Compliance" (it's "complance" with an a, you should know), they were clever enough to know that they'd be getting people like you as a rapt audience.  Plenty of former players too.  Hitting Michigan where it would hurt most.  A gut-punch in Michigan's "respectability."  People like you must give people like Rosenberg and the Freep editors a great deal of satisfaction.

 

 

December 16th, 2011 at 10:59 AM | Assume: ass-u-me (Score:0 Offtopic)
December 15th, 2011 at 5:37 PM | yeah, except... (Score:2 Normal)
mtzlblk
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what Molk is/was frustrated with was you and half-ass fans of your ilk. He has stated as much a few different times, wondering why people who call themselves 'back with the program' ever left to begin with. 

Fortunately you are probably just as disgraceful and disloyal in other aspects of your life, so hopefully you will pay for it there. 

December 16th, 2011 at 11:34 AM | ridiculous... (Score:0)
December 16th, 2011 at 1:02 PM | weak (Score:-1 Flamebait)
December 16th, 2011 at 1:45 PM | I also have no idea what you are talking about. (Score:0 Flamebait)
December 16th, 2011 at 5:05 PM | sad (Score:0)
December 16th, 2011 at 5:08 PM | "Three and Out" (Score:0 Trolling)
December 16th, 2011 at 5:23 PM | agree (Score:0)
December 16th, 2011 at 6:47 PM | I didn't call you disloyal or disgraceful. (Score:0 Redundant)
December 15th, 2011 at 9:46 PM | Anyone know how much he got (Score:1)
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Anyone know how much he got paid to be the lead singer in the new FreeCreditReport.com ad? 

When I first saw it, I took it as a call to ramp up our donations.

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December 15th, 2011 at 2:01 PM | there was most definitely (Score:2)
andrewG
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there was most definitely booing just before halftime of the '08 wisconsin game. loud booing. i didn't make it back for many games during the RR era, but i have to imagine there were more as well.

December 15th, 2011 at 2:34 PM | 2008 Wisconsin (Score:2)
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I'm pretty sure I remember the boos that day too. That first half was pretty awful football. Molk didn't play in 2009 so even though he would still obviously hear and feel the boos I don't know if he would be talking about that year as much.

Whatcha gonna do, little brother?

December 15th, 2011 at 3:08 PM | booing (Score:2)
b_jodi
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This is the only time I remember hearing booing and thinking that it was directed towards the players. I also remember late in the 3rd quarter, Michigan completed a pass that brought our passing numbers out of the negatives (this was how bad the first half was) and that got a sarcastic cheer from the crowd that even the announcers on TV commented on.

The fact that those same players came back out and played the most exciting half of football I had ever witnessed just makes it that much more embarassing that there were so many boos at the end of the first half.

December 15th, 2011 at 10:35 PM | i remember the sarcastic (Score:2)
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i remember the sarcastic cheer as well, though i recall the reason being that we hadn't gotten a first down in basically forever and finally did. i participated in the sarcastic cheer. not the booing though. that has no place in college football, even if your boos were "directed at the coaches" as some people claimed.

December 15th, 2011 at 9:08 PM | Same, ditto, and the same (Score:1)
notYOURmom
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Section 18, where seldom was heard a discouraging word.  Molk might have been boo'd around campus but I pity the fool who would have tried it.  I never heard a word against the players.

December 15th, 2011 at 12:20 PM | Absoultely (Score:3 Normal)
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I remember some boes from the fans. I don't believe I ever personally boed (at our team), but plenty did. Some games under RR were extremely frustrating, so I understood where they were coming from, but at the same time these guys are working hard out there.

I can only continue to reference the fact that I live in an onion factory.

December 15th, 2011 at 12:48 PM | I do not understand where the (Score:1)
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I do not understand where the fans are coming from for ever booing the maize and blue. "Go Blue" is unconditional and Molk, Martin, Van Bergen, and Tate  wore the same winged helmet that Desmond, Woodson, and Hutchinson wore. Completely unfair to the players from 08-09 to boo them in any case.

Baseball players are smarter than football players. How often do you see a baseball team penalized for too many men on the field?

December 15th, 2011 at 12:54 PM | The one time that I booed was (Score:5 Normal)
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The one time that I booed was when we decided to punt with 6 minutes left, down 14, I believe, against Iowa. That wasn't for the players, but for the coaches.

December 15th, 2011 at 3:59 PM | I highly doubt the boos are (Score:1)
gray98
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I highly doubt the boos are ever directed at the players on the college level.  If the coaches don't have the players prepared, that is on the coaches.  I would really hope everyone understands that these are 18-22 year old players, not professionals.  The guys getting paid are the guys that get the boos (which means the players at Ohio are getting booed too, but that's beside the point).

December 15th, 2011 at 4:45 PM | It was against Michigan State (Score:2)
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It was against Michigan State in 2010. That and going into halftime of the wisconsin game in 2010 were probably the only two times I was so furious at the coaches that I voiced my opinion. 

2008 Wisconsin I was too stunned to boo. 

"Ohio is like a giant turd that Michigan just can't pinch off"

December 15th, 2011 at 12:20 PM | 2008 Wisconsin (Score:5 Normal)
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2008 Wisconsin game at half time jumped right to mind for me.

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

December 15th, 2011 at 12:27 PM | meee tooo (Score:2 Normal)
mercury messner
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I seem to remember boos before halftime-multiple turnovers in a row.  It was the ugliest half of football I have ever watched..

 

December 15th, 2011 at 12:36 PM | I don't remember who was (Score:2 Normal)
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I don't remember who was calling that game, but as the team was going in for halftime, he said, "To call Michigan's offense inept would be an insult to inept offenses everywhere." Amazing we ended up pulling that one out.

December 15th, 2011 at 12:39 PM | Gotta be Sean McDonough. He (Score:1)
Logan88
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Gotta be Sean McDonough. He made a similar comment about OSU earlier this season.

We ARE Michigan....COME GET SOME!!!

December 15th, 2011 at 1:06 PM | It was Nessler (Score:2)
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It was Nessler

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December 15th, 2011 at 1:17 PM | Yup, that was the one.  I was (Score:2 Normal)
bluebyyou
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Yup, that was the one.  I was at every game during RR's tenure and at halftime the boo birds could be heard loud and clear.  Of course, the place was rocking when we came back in the second half and stuck it to the Badgers.

Other than the Wiscy game, I remember some groaning on occasion, but not anything more than that.

December 15th, 2011 at 12:21 PM | It was sadly true (Score:0 Overrated)
December 15th, 2011 at 12:21 PM | Do you mean Molk? (Score:2 Normal)
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I think they're generally booing the coaches. But since they're all on the same sideline, it's probably best not to boo.  I mean, I could see booing lack of effort, if they come out sloppy and lackadaisical...but how can you ever really tell?  Not sure it's constructive. If you want to let a coach know how much you hate him, apparently that's what message boards are for.

Though if someone runs out the clock with 2 minutes left in the half, or runs 3 times up the middle, rather than trying to score, I think our players are smart enough to figure fans are booing the playcalling and not them.

"I love him, he's a great coach, he's a great mentor, he's a great friend. He's every single thing you want a college coach to be, and he does it flawlessly." -David Molk

December 15th, 2011 at 12:26 PM | (Score:3 Normal)
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The booing was definitely not intended for the players but it's understandable that they would take it a directed at them...overall Im against booing ones own team unless it is a rare case, like a Suh-ism ( stomping someone)

To Hell with Notre Dame

December 15th, 2011 at 12:52 PM | You know what they say . . . (Score:0 Flamebait)
December 15th, 2011 at 4:31 PM | No no (Score:3 Normal)
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They were saying "Boo-urns."

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December 15th, 2011 at 12:25 PM | My experience in the past few (Score:2)
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My experience in the past few years of games is that the boo's generally are at the product, with no differentiation between coaches/players/whatever. However, I have heard over the past few years (and is probably more prevalent due to the losing) some downright embarassing and awful things yelled at Denard, Lewan, Stevie Brown and various other players  while sitting in the crowd. These were things that wouldn't fit in with the crowds in Ohio Stadium fergodsakes. Its certainly dispelled the belief in my mind that we as Michigan fans are "better" than some of the tactics and things said at other venues in college football. 

 

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December 15th, 2011 at 12:24 PM | Booing (Score:5 Normal)
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Fans boo'd Carr all the time.  Like if he took a knee before the half.  That shit goes on.  I realize that this senior class in particular went through a hell of a lot compared to other Michigan football classes, but the whole "us against the world" is waaaay overblown.  Booing was not a constant occurrence by the majority of fans.  Did the booing increase a bit under RR?  Perhaps, but so did the losing.  To pretend like the Michigan fan base as a whole was constantly booing the players is grossly disingenuous. 

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December 15th, 2011 at 1:06 PM | Yes, I remember some booing (Score:5 Normal)
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Yes, I remember some booing during the later Carr years for his playcalling.  Like Braylonfest, which I went to.  The fans were going crazy, and rightfully so, for us not attempting to throw the ball until the 4th quarter.  And there were boos when Navarre took a knee against Penn State in 02 to go to overtime instead of trying for a hail mary.  There's been boos for as far back as I can remember to not try for points just before halftime. 

I can't speak for games during the RichRod years since I only went to a couple of those.  But whenever it came to booing, I was always under the impression that it was for the playcalling, not the players.  Even when Navarre was QB, I don't remember hearing booing for as unpopular as he was.  I remember moans and groans but never booing. The only player I have heard that actually got booed from fans was Steve Smith in the early 80's.     

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December 15th, 2011 at 2:58 PM | The 08 Wisconsin game, we (Score:2)
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The 08 Wisconsin game, we were down 19-0 at half time. I remember being able to hear the boos on TV, which is usually kind of hard to do.

December 15th, 2011 at 1:11 PM | I'm embarassed to admit that (Score:5 Normal)
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I'm embarassed to admit that I booed the Michigan team once...when I was at the Oregon game.  That was as frustrated as I'd ever been at a Michigan football game.  After "The Horror" I'd have thought that they'd come out with fire in their eyes.  It looked to me like the team was ill-prepared and had quit on Lloyd.

My then 6 year old son was with me, and told me that I wasn't being a good fan (I'd told him many times that good fans don't boo).  He was right...I was ashamed of myself.

It's bad form, but I can understand how frustration can boil over at times.  Having said that, I won't be doing it again...

December 15th, 2011 at 1:37 PM | Well, (Score:2)
Engin77
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+1 for teaching your son what it means to be a good fan.
I'm willing to overlook the fact your son needed to remind you what is means to be a good fan. I was at that game, and that was about the ugliest first half of football I have ever witnessed. That said, I heard the boos and was disappointed in my fellow M fans; amateur athletes do not deserved to be booed for lack of results.

Taking it one week at a time

December 15th, 2011 at 2:19 PM | I had to laugh at one (Score:1)
elrod_tom
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I had to laugh at one point....my son pointed out that at least in the game last week that they didn't lose by as many points.  Ah, for the innocence of childhood.  :)

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