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April 19th, 2011 at 3:36 PM
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unWavering
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A modest proposal

Can we please stop using time and energy defending/attacking Rich Rod? 

He is no longer part of our football program.  We should adopt one of RichRod's classic motifs and only talk about the people relevant to our football program.  Quite frankly, it doesn't matter anymore, and I think I speak for a lot of people when I say I don't give two shits about what you have to say about him.  (This also means you, Brian)

Instead, let's focus on our current coaches, our current players, and go out there and support our football team.  Otherwise, we will have the same rift in our fanbase as we had during the RichRod era.  I don't know if any of you have realized, but it has not gotten better, at least not on mgoblog, and a lot of this is because of the subject matter coming from the top.

I know that this isn't exactly a novel post and it doesn't have any new information, but this place has been in shambles lately and I can't click on an MGoBoard topic without being assaulted by RR debate. 

I certainly don't think I have the right to tell anyone what to do, but PLEASE consider this next time you find some quote you don't like or some article vaguely referring to RR:  it is most likely an extension of the same drivel we've all been talking about for months now. 

Now let's gather up the pieces of our football program and do something constructive with it.

Also, neg away if you must.  Luckily I have discovered neg invulnerability

EDIT:  I apologize if I came off strong but I was just rather annoyed when I wrote this.  By no means do I have the right to tell you or Brian what to do.  I feel that bye-gones should be bye-gones.  The RR era was painful for many and there is no need to re open the wound every time an alumnus says something about it. 

I also reserve my right to criticize any media writer, and I'm sure Brian would agree that it is ok to do so.

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April 19th, 2011 at 3:38 PM | Dude (Score:1)
Six Zero
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For all of us, sure, fine, whatevs.

But if you don't care what Brian thinks... what are you doing on his site?  What on earth makes you think you have the right to tell him what he can and cannot say HERE?

April 19th, 2011 at 3:40 PM | Just something for him to (Score:1)
unWavering
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Just something for him to consider.  Like I said, I don't have the right to tell him what to do.  But for the love of God I don't want to read another post about how someone said something mean about RR somewhere in the world.  It just does not matter.

April 19th, 2011 at 3:42 PM | No referencing the past?  No (Score:1)
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No referencing the past?  No RR?  That also means no Bo, Carr, Yost, ect.  Right?  As far as i'm concerned, this is a place to talk Michigan football.  Present and past.  It's also a site that allows debate and great conversation.  Just don't read posts about RR if you don't like it.

It's the same old story. Boy finds girl, boy loses girl, girl finds boy, boy forgets girl, boy remembers girl, girls dies in a tragic blimp accident over the Orange Bowl on New Year's Day. 

April 19th, 2011 at 4:10 PM | Indeed.  I sort of built a (Score:1)
WolverineHistorian
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Indeed.  I sort of built a reputation on referencing the past.  The good kind, at least. 

The last 3 years and both sides of the RR argument are really starting to do a number on my psyche.  The problem is so easily solved by avoiding the threads you don't want to read about. 

I personally would like to go back to eating popcorn over the Tressel threads. 

Go Blue!  Always!

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April 19th, 2011 at 4:25 PM | And you do a pretty good job (Score:1)
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And you do a pretty good job of it too.

April 19th, 2011 at 4:52 PM | Michael Jackson agrees with you.... (Score:1)
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"...what do you say, is it the new Bluesmobile or what?"

"Fix the cigarette lighter."

April 19th, 2011 at 4:32 PM | You're right! (Score:1)
acs236
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The OP is ignoring tradition! Wait until the player alums find out.

April 19th, 2011 at 4:57 PM | Novel ideas how to avoid RR posts: (Score:1)
pkatz
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1) stay off MGoBlog



or



2) don't read the posts that have anything to do with RR if you do accidentally (oops!) find yourself on MGoBlog



it's Brian's site, and he shall decide what he does and does not want to write about... doubtful your whining will matter one iota to him



kthnxbye

April 19th, 2011 at 8:38 PM | Have you tried reading (Score:1)
trueblueintexas
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Have you tried reading any Christian blogs since you love God so much?  Probably less Rich Rod he said she said there.

"Anyone who isn't confused, really doesn't understand the situation." - Edward R. Murrow

April 19th, 2011 at 4:53 PM | I suspect that Brian is just (Score:1)
bluebyyou
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I suspect that Brian is just fine with disagreement as long as the response is logical.  I don't always agree with everything Brian writes, but so what?  This is Michigan...we discuss and debate things in painful detail and sometimes almost forever.

April 19th, 2011 at 3:38 PM | So stop talking about it (Score:1)
ChuckWood
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So stop talking about it already!!!

It's the same old story. Boy finds girl, boy loses girl, girl finds boy, boy forgets girl, boy remembers girl, girls dies in a tragic blimp accident over the Orange Bowl on New Year's Day. 

April 19th, 2011 at 3:41 PM | NO.  I think we need moar (Score:1)
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NO.  I think we need moar reflection on RR and the lack of support from former players dammit.

Or we could start passing recipes.  One of the other.

"the Spirit of Michigan...is based on a deathless loyalty to Michigan and all her ways....and a conviction that nowhere is there a better university, in any way, than this Michigan of ours" - Fielding Yost
April 19th, 2011 at 3:43 PM | Awww yeah (Score:1)
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Oreo Stuffed Chocolate Chip Cookies

  • 2 sticks butter, softened
  • 3/4 cup packed brown sugar
  • 1 cup white sugar
  • 2 large eggs
  • 1 tablespoon vanilla extract
  • 3 1/2 cups all-purpose flour
  • 1 teaspoon salt
  • 1 teaspoon baking soda
  • 10 ounces semi-sweet chocolate chips
  • 1 package Oreo cookies – I used Double Stuf

Preheat oven to 350 degrees.

In the bowl of a stand mixer, cream together the butter and sugars. Add in the eggs and vanilla and mix until well combined.

In a separate bowl, mix the flour, baking soda, and salt. Slowly add to the wet mixture and combine thoroughly. Stir in the chocolate chips.

Chill the dough for 15 minutes to make it easier to work with and to keep the dough from spreading when baking.

Using a cookie scoop place one scoop of dough on top of an Oreo cookie. Place another single scoop on the bottom of the Oreo to create a cookie sandwich. Seal the edges together to completely close in the Oreo.

Place the balls of cookie dough on a parchment lined baking sheet and bake for 9-13 minutes. Let cool for 5 minutes and then transfer to a wire rack.

April 19th, 2011 at 3:47 PM | Aww Yeah. Passover Recipe! (Score:1)
JeepinBen
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SIMPLE FLOURLESS CHOCOLATE CAKE

4 oz. semi-sweet chocolate or chips

1 stick margarine

¾ cup sugar

3 large eggs

½ cup unsweetened cocoa powder

1 TB Cointreau or Kahlua, if desired

Preheat overn to 375 degrees.  Grease 8 inch round spring-form baking pan.  Cut wax paper to fit into pan and grease.  Melt chocolate and margarine together in microwave at 80% power for 2 minutes.  Remove and whisk until blended and shiny.  Whisk sugar into chocolate mixture.  Add eggs and whisk well.  Then sift cocoa into chocolate mixture and blend until just combined.  Place in pan and bake in middle of oven for 25 minutes or until done (when thin film forms on top).  Cool on rack for 5 minutes.  Invert onto plate and peel off wax paper.  Dust with cocoa power, powdered sugar or decorate with fruit.

 

"Over? Did you say, over? Nothing is over until we decide it is!"

April 19th, 2011 at 10:51 PM | wrong thread (Score:1)
M-jed
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shoulda put this in the 420 thread. woot woot!

April 20th, 2011 at 12:02 AM | Those sound (Score:1)
ryebreadboy
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Those sound incredible.

 

Recipe passing = my new favorite mgoactivity.

Denard has spent the offseason working really hard and smiling at people.

April 19th, 2011 at 3:46 PM | constructive (Score:1)
TrppWlbrnID
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you are on an internet site devoted to a single university's sports teams

 

lets leave constructive out of this

2013 resolution - make it onto the 2014 favorite MGoPosters post, not ironically
April 19th, 2011 at 3:52 PM | For some of the people on (Score:1)
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For some of the people on here it's like a breakup they can't get over even though they know the relationship sucked.

rr is old news and is long gone. Wanna know who is here?...

When the ADept sells special jerseys and gear, you'll see my picture next to the targeted customer crowd. A sheep.....but a Blue one.....

April 19th, 2011 at 4:13 PM | Honestly (Score:1)
DutchWolverine
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Honestly, did you all really think that RR was not going to ever be brought up again?  No games have been played yet under the new staff, we are still in a transition period from the old to the new.  While in that transition stage both coaching staffs are going to be discussed.  Like it or not, it is going to happen and it is a valid topic until the transition period is over and we are into actual football games.

Keep the change ya filthy animal.

April 19th, 2011 at 3:53 PM | "Productive" during the (Score:1)
nicknick
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"Productive" during the off-season? Good luck.

April 19th, 2011 at 3:56 PM | First off, I'm as annoyed (Score:1)
Syyk
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First off, I'm as annoyed with this constant RR vs. Hoke debate as most people are, but you should be addressing this to Braylon Edwards, not Brian or anyone else on the board.  You really expect MGoBoard (which discusses anything of the remotest relation to Michigan athletics) to ignore Braylon's comments?

April 19th, 2011 at 3:57 PM | +1 (Score:1)
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I agree, I'm an angry gorilla and that makes me angry!!!

Practice makes perfect. Unless you're the Buckeyes. Then you have to cheat.

April 19th, 2011 at 3:59 PM | Can we talk about how much (Score:1)
icefins26
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Can we talk about how much better Nike was?

/s

April 19th, 2011 at 4:02 PM | i hope we switch to KSwiss (Score:1)
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i hope we switch to KSwiss next time.

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April 19th, 2011 at 4:34 PM | but to satisfy the mustaschioed old timers (Score:1)
Benoit Balls
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should we perhaps consider PF Flyers?

ALWAYS remember the golden rule: He who has the gold, makes the rules

 

April 20th, 2011 at 12:06 AM | I want Skechers.  Nothing is (Score:1)
ryebreadboy
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I want Skechers.  Nothing is more awesome than watching Denard run, other than watching Denard run in light-up cleats.

Denard has spent the offseason working really hard and smiling at people.

April 19th, 2011 at 4:06 PM | I'D REALLY (Score:1)
twohooks
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Like to see a first-class Mexican restaurant make its way to Main Street, in Ann Arbor.

April 19th, 2011 at 4:27 PM | don't fight the feeling... (Score:1)
GoBlueBalls
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...you'll just end up at panchero's anyway.

April 19th, 2011 at 5:22 PM | I like Tios... (Score:1)
pkatz
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always have - great wet burrito

April 19th, 2011 at 4:07 PM | Good post. (Score:1)
BBB3
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I basically agree.

However, I do feel that RR remains a part of the Michigan program and will forever.

It is painfully obvious that some will continue to wistfully dwell on the promise they saw during the RR era and truth be know, that's okay.

The focus does need to shift to the current coaching staff and the future of the program. That transition has begun, but there isn't an on / off switch that can flipped. Grieiving is a process that must be allowed to run its course.

A good season this fall would help. A great season would be even more helpful in helping people move on. But RR should not be forgotten, imo.

April 19th, 2011 at 4:07 PM | How about... (Score:1)
DutchWolverine
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How about no more posts talking about how people should stop talking about RR?  What do you think about that?

Keep the change ya filthy animal.

April 19th, 2011 at 4:09 PM | RR era (Score:1)
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Honestly, I see policing negative comments towards RR as a mechanism for closure and healing.  Seriously, you have a group of people here that were passionate, informed and united in their defense of RR as the head coach.  These are people with intelligence and confidence.  Their enemy in this whole thing is fans, media and alumni that "didn't give RR a chance".  In other words, people that weren't as informed as them but were bringing down their cause and didn't think RR would succeed from day one.  In the end, it just so happened that in the face of the knowledge and facts at their disposal, they ended up being wrong.  RR was ultimately not successful.  He ultimately didn't win enough games to keep his job.  I don't think there is anything wrong with them continuing to hold onto something of their cause if it makes them feel a little better about how things went down, and if it is policing people taking shots at RR post-firing so be it.  As time goes on, especially into next season there will be less and less of these types of posts.

"A flute with no holes is not a flute. A donut with no hole is a danish"

April 19th, 2011 at 4:09 PM | The title of this thread (Score:1)
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The title of this thread should have been "A Modest Proposal."

Abort, Retry, Fail?

April 19th, 2011 at 6:38 PM | I like it.  Updated (Score:1)
unWavering
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I like it.  Updated

April 19th, 2011 at 7:48 PM | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ (Score:1)
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Modest_Proposal

lol

Maize n Brew

April 20th, 2011 at 4:11 PM | The story itself is so (Score:1)
the_white_tiger
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The story itself is so serious too. I was almost convinced, but maybe it's because I hate the Irirsh:

Maize n Brew

April 19th, 2011 at 4:18 PM | RR got fired?! All this time (Score:1)
dennisblundon
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RR got fired?! All this time I thought he just put on some winter weight and his hair plugs finally took off. My mind is officially blown.

April 19th, 2011 at 4:24 PM | FU (Score:1)
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FU and the horse you rode in on...  Next thing you will be telling me how I should feel about God

"I knew Bo Schembechler and you sir, are no Bo Schembechler!"

April 19th, 2011 at 4:28 PM | All I know is that if (Score:1)
Dreisbach Turne...
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All I know is that if Unitarian is the one true faith I'll eat my hat.

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Space bitches, space.

April 19th, 2011 at 4:25 PM | Who? (Score:1)
All-in-4-Michigan
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I don't know anyone by that name with the Michigan Football Program.   Was he or she  BB (before Bo) or AB (after Bo)?

 

 

"You and I know, it's going to be Michigan again, MICHIGAN!" - Bo

April 19th, 2011 at 4:28 PM | Really?  I can't focus on (Score:1)
jonny_GoBlue
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Really?  I can't focus on Mike Hart, Tim Biakabatuka, Desmond Howard, and Tom Brady?  Let's be honest here... how does one NOT focus on Tom Brady?

April 19th, 2011 at 4:29 PM | By focusing on Michigan (Score:1)
Dreisbach Turne...
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By focusing on Michigan legend Scott Dreisbach.

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Space bitches, space.

April 19th, 2011 at 4:33 PM | I'm adding you to my list of (Score:1)
KinesiologyNerd
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I'm adding you to my list of people to neg the shit out of if/when negging returns.

I know from experience dude. If you know what I mean.

April 19th, 2011 at 6:29 PM | Fine with me, but I really (Score:1)
unWavering
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Fine with me, but I really didn't think I said anything too offensive or controversial.  Just proposing that we move on from something that is obviously not helping to mend the rift between our now divided fanbase.

April 19th, 2011 at 4:38 PM | I'm new here (Score:1)
HAIL_YES
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But it seems to me that if you don't like a particular thread... Don't read it.

April 19th, 2011 at 4:58 PM | not logical; it doesn't follow that because people (Score:1)
MGlobules
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are divided over what happened with Rich they will be divided over Hoke. And when wrongs (alleged or real) are done, sweeping them under the rug is usually not the first (2nd or 3rd) order of business in the public sphere. I'm weary of some of the debate, too, but that doesn't mean that establishing the facts isn't legitimate, or that people with something to say on the matter shouldn't put forth their ideas. It's a typical herd thing here to try to shout people down but--better idea--just read posts on subjects that interest you. If you're sick of it, ignore it. This is, as I see it, a forum for precisely such back and forth, and to the degree that the place has been taken over by homers who just want to run the M flag up the pole and have us all salute--well--the place is the poorer for it. 

And--honestly--you don't think the current Braylon boneheadedness wants calling out? I'm all for getting behind Hoke (as time goes on) but some of the hypocrisy has been breathtaking. When it comes time to stop calling out the noodles, nitwits, and numbskulls--whatever uni they wear--I am out of here, too. 

April 19th, 2011 at 5:22 PM | What I think its about (Score:1)
micheal honcho
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Forgiveness. It will take time for the wounds inflicted by both sides to heal and I think we've just got to grit our teeth and deal with it until then.

I know I still have a hard time forgiving RR for running Steven Threet in a zone read offense in front of over 100,000 fans at the winningest football program in history. Someday maybe I'll be able to forgive and forget about it, I'd say the day we beat MSU, tOSU & contend for big ten titles annually will be that day. Until then I just stew & wait for brighter days ahead.

Now, if coach Hoke sends Denard & Vincent Smith out to run a straight up power I regardless of their chances of having success. I'll feel pretty much the same way as I did when RR jammed it up the collective asses of millions of Michigan fans. Insulted & betrayed. Perhaps even moreso by Hoke because he has specifically stated and been instructed to use the players he has to the teams best potential. RR at least had the plausible deniability like costanza "You mean I want supposed to do that?" "I did not see that in the employee handbook".

You coach the TEAM not a SCHEME.

April 19th, 2011 at 7:58 PM | Maybe putting Threet in a pro (Score:1)
BraveWolverine730
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Maybe putting Threet in a pro style makes him slightly more effective. However, if your OL sucks(like ours did in 08) and you have an inaccurate QB(RR's passing game is much, much simpler and easier than Llyod's was, a point people consistently miss when addressing this topic and discussing Threet's chances for success). The difference is that Denard won Big Ten POY and Steven Threet just posted a 18/16 TD/Int ration as a 4th year JR in an offense suited to his skills. *

 

 

*I fully expect Borges to maximize Denard's talents when the season rolls around and remain unshaken after the Spring Game.

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April 20th, 2011 at 12:04 PM | The Team (Score:1)
micheal honcho
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I think it would have made the team more effective not just Threet. We would have at least looked somewhat like we knew what we were doing on the field. Minor would have been much more effective running power, passing game could have been "simplified" for Threet, lots of short screen stuff etc. and our defense was good enough to keep us in games.

If RR had followed more this type of formula I think we'd have won 6 games. Which would have protected the bowl steak and bought RR the 4th year that so many would have liked to see(hell I even have a part of me that wanted that).

Doing what he did, just tossing it all out and making a complete overhaul in year 1 was a big gamble. He knew he was pissing off a big chunk of the fanbase but I think he figured he could win them back with future results(like he did in WV). Problem is while some things(offense) were trending better & showing major progress, the overall product was still weak at the end of his 3rd season. He gambled and lost and I'm betting he knows this was the case.

Year 1 was a world class clusterfuck that looked like a bunch of monkeys on the field. Sheridan/Threet clapping, stomping, waving & staring at the sidelines for what seemed like an eternity(even to the point of delay of games/timeouts). Total and obvious confusion in the backfield, dropped snaps, missed reads that had backs literally bashing into the QB and lets not forget poor McStuffy getting his poor head bashed in while 100,000+ Michigan faithfull looked on in utter disgust.

Then in press conferences you heard RR just saying "we're young" and "we'll get better" and myself along with others were thinking "we'd better, cuz we couldnt possibly get any f-ing worse!!" but...we swallowed our anger and looked forward to better days. Let him recruit "his guys" and install "his system" and this will all be worth it(we told ourselves).

3yrs done and it just didnt get "better" enough. So many harbor bad feelings toward the man for having been given the benefit of the doubt in yr 1 only to emerge 3yrs later with a november-january meltdown that looked way too much like year 1.

We'll forgive and forget, but only winning will expedite that. Until then a whole bunch of folks will continue to get this shitty taste in their mouths at the mere mention of his name.

You coach the TEAM not a SCHEME.

April 19th, 2011 at 7:29 PM | Can't we all just get along? (Score:1)
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Let's face it.  The decision for Rich Rod to become the head coach here was not a good one for either party - IN RETROSPECT.  Obviously, Bill Martin (and whoever else was involved in the decision) had imperfect information about who would be the best choice for coach.  OK, they made a poor decision.  And Rodriguez probably should have done his due diligence before deciding to take the job.  But, I don't doubt anyone's motive for wanting to do the best for Michigan. It just didn't work out.  So, the only choice now is to move on and make things better. 

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