Moar Michigan/MSU Postgame Thoughts [Sunday Snowflake Thread]

Submitted by Mr. Yost on

Programming: The game will likely be replayed tonight on BTN as the "B1G Football Game of The Week." Ohio/Purdue was obviously a great game, but that game is being replayed right before this 8pm broadcast and I doubt they'd show it back-to-back.

Anyway, some good talk got washed away in the (warranted) excitement. With that said, after a day to let it soak in...where does this win stack in the Hoke era? IMO, it's #2 behind Ohio last year, ahead of the Sugar Bowl and UTL.

I just rewatched the 4th quarter and let me say...I am in tears. You can't watch that (knowing how it ends) and not just sit there and feel so good for these players. The fought SO hard. I feel like Junior Hemingway last January.

I suggest EVERYONE rewatch the end of the game...there are so many little things that remind you that these are college kids, just playing the game they love and pouring their HEART in it. There are even more examples of these kids being led by a GREAT coach and an even better man.

For example, during the final drive...the camera pans to the sideline and you see Gibbons walking up and Hoke slaps him on the helmet and gives him some encouragement. Gibby doesn't get paid to handle that pressure, but his team was behind him.

Denard going NUTS after spiking the ball (after the pass to Dileo).

The team mobbed Gibbons, but you can't get mad at that...just to see 115 guys realizing their dreams and reaching a goal was awesome.

Then after the game, you see how much it means to everyone. But you also see Hoke completely blow off the postgame game reporter go find Le'veon Bell and give him the BIGGEST hug like it was one of his own players. He gets it, he respects the rivalry, he respects the B1G, he respects MANBALL...even from a hated opponent.

Then you see the guys with that trophy...you see Jon Falk and you get this feeling "okay, it's over. We're back." Last year was no fluke, everything is restored, don't be afraid to care 110% like you used too...it's okay, Michigan is Michigan again.

We needed this win, and we needed to win just like this. An old fashioned Michigan game. A B1G game. No frills, no basketball on turf, just us vs. you, just victory.

 

Clarence Beeks

October 21st, 2012 at 11:25 AM ^

Does anyone know why MSU wasn't charged a timeout on their lost challenge of the spot on the final drive? I'm almost certain it was announced as a challenge and not a booth review.

lhglrkwg

October 21st, 2012 at 11:27 AM ^

but does it drive anyone else nuts that one of those ESPNU commericals has Jason Seahorn saying "It's all on Denard Robinson. If he doesn't electrify the stadium, they don't win."

Has a stupider thing ever been said? I don't know why ESPNU is so proud of it such that they decided to put it on their commercial that they air 10 times a day

abolden05

October 21st, 2012 at 11:48 AM ^

Biggest play that seems forgotten is V. Smith's run to start the last 2 minute drill. Having that big play on the 1st play was huge. It wasn't an easy run at all, he had to make a move in the backfield and still got about 12 yards

funkywolve

October 22nd, 2012 at 12:27 AM ^

I gotta believe as a D-Coordinator scouting UM for tendencies, you'll find that when Smith is in the game it's more often than not usually a pass.  In fact, I'm guessing the % of time Smith gets a hand-off when he's in the game is pretty low.

Sparty sees Smith in the game knowing UM is probably going to have to throw most of the time to get into FG range and Borges calls a hand off Smith.

WingsNWolverines

October 21st, 2012 at 11:54 AM ^

Suffering those tough 4 years under Rodriguez with heart breaking losses to MSU was an awful experience. It still makes me sick that we let them have a 4 year streak but it was awesome to see Hoke's reaction after the winning field goal and the team mob around Gibbons after nailing the kick. It's moments like that, that make a Michigan victory so special and its just awesome to have Paul Bunyan back home where he belongs. On a side note when was the last time Michigan won a game scoring only field goals? I can't recall any wins like that in my lifetime but then again I was born in 1989 so I'm sure the 1990s may of had a game or two of just field goals. Pardon my bad memory. Thoughts of this game. Offensively frustrating especially because we had 3 or 4 trips to the goal line amd couldn't punch the ball in. When Kovacs picked off Maxwell I felt so confident knowing "here we go TD drive right here" only to settle for 3. We will put up points against Nebraska though. State has a solid defensive line but I was wondering why Denard stopped going to the air late in the game? Those post sideline routes were working and caught State falling asleep in their passing attack. Fitz had a much better game. Looked he he was finally being his normal self out there on several rushes. Our defense was amazing. I know we gave up a touchdown but they shut Bell down all game and really limited Maxwell in the air. Jake Ryan is an absolute monster and next to Kovacs he's one of the most electrifying players on our defense. JT Floyd broke up some nice passes yesterday too. Thought he looked good in down field coverage. Dileo had a PHENOMENAL game! He was the reason why we won that game in the final minute. Making huge completion after huge completion. He should be proud of himself. MVP without a doubt offensively yesterday. Overall despite not scoring a TD this was an amazing game defensively on both sides of the ball. Both MSU and Michigan accounted for a total of 600 + yards and passing wise I believe Michigan gave up 168 or something like that. Was a classic MSU vs Michigan matchup and it feels so good to get this win and erase that streak finally! Now time to start our streak! This defense has me very confident going into Lincoln and soon to be Columbus. Great win and a great birthday! GO BLUE!

robmorren2

October 21st, 2012 at 12:08 PM ^

Anyone notice the clock running after Denard stretched for the first down on the final drive? The chains were being moved, and the clock was rolling. Then they reviewed it, and it was clear that the clock should have been at about 43 seconds. They didn't reset the clock after the review, AND the clock was running before they even had it set after the review. We lost 10-15 seconds. I would have went apeshit had we lost (or if we were on the road).

CompleteLunacy

October 21st, 2012 at 1:15 PM ^

They also retroactively added 20 seconds back at the end of the first half AFTER runnning another play (so, the clock time added would have been 2 plays late).

I was confused with both. The 20-seconds added thing was because an MSU guy went out of bounds...but as I saw it, the guy's forward progress was clearly stopped and he and the tackler traveled to the sideline laterally...that should keep the clock running, no?

And the replay thing...if they go to replay, isn't it generally understood that the clock is reset to what it was after the reviewed play? I'm curious to know the exact rule in that case. It could have cost Michigan dearly, though luckily it didn't.

SMJenkins3

October 21st, 2012 at 12:21 PM ^

First we won, so not a big deal....but Barnum missed a huge block on the denard run (the second play off the drive- right after the smith draw). Denard cuts to the left and there are only two guys on that side of the field- Barnum and a lb. Barnum just stands there. Doesn't really make any effort to get to the second level and block that lb. If he makes that block denard has 15 yards before he sees a defender and given denard, he may be gone.

In the end it didn't matter, but at the time I was disappointed.

RadioMuse

October 21st, 2012 at 12:51 PM ^

The more I think about it the more I'm impressed with the way everyone on the team fought through the whole game.  Other than (maybe) the Kovacs interception we just didn't have any lucky breaks.  There were at least 2-3 passes that could've been touchdowns had things gone slightly different.  And there was the fumbles they caused that still stayed with Sparty.

In many ways this feels more special because of that.  I refuse to make any concessions that Michigan got lucky somewhere; because we didn't.  The team fought, the crowd fought, the coaches fought.  No one, on either side gave an inch.  And in the end the Wolvinerines brought Paul home.  :)  It feels like the curse has been broken by sheer force of will.

How about that defense?  How about 160+ yards on the ground against one of the best rush defensives in the country.  GRIND IT OUT.  It wasn't pretty, but it certainly was Michigan.

Naked Bootlegger

October 21st, 2012 at 12:55 PM ^

I swear I saw a handful of plays with #85 on the field, and haven't noticed Joe Reynolds out there in previous games (at least in critical junctures of the games).   Must be a good down-field blocker?    If so, kudos to Joe for working his tail off to get on the field in a pressure-packed setting.  

Proposed new play:   Reynolds enters the game.  Opposing DC says "must be run, #85 is on the field".   Play-action fake to Reynolds side.   After a feeble block attempt, Reynolds runs up the seam uncovered.   Instant TD.  We all rejoice in the goodness that is Joe Reynolds.

 

NFG

October 21st, 2012 at 1:02 PM ^

I don't think Floyd is getting the praise he deserves for the run support established on the edge. He has definately changed his approach to tackling in the last couple weeks and was stout forcing the counters and pitches back in. He has progressed immensely since week 1.

funkywolve

October 22nd, 2012 at 12:30 AM ^

Late in the game when UM forced MSU to kick a FG, Floyd was huge on the 3rd down play.  Bell tries to go up the middle and has nothing.  He bounces it outside and Floyd has contain.  Floyd has a blocker on him and instead of giving ground, Floyd stretches the play all the way to sideline.  I don't think Floyd made the tackle, but he strung the play out long enough to allow the calvary to come to the rescue.

JD_UofM_90

October 21st, 2012 at 1:04 PM ^

Was he hurt?  I don't remember seeing him in the game once Saturday.  Box score indicates no carries for him as well.  I don't understand how are most physical runner didn't even get in for one play against MSU's defense....??????

Mitch Cumstein

October 21st, 2012 at 1:06 PM ^

Just some thoughts about Borges (I know he is a touchy topic as of late).

I thought his gameplan yesterday was good/fair, but not great.  I know a lot of people like to look at the scoreboard and say "No Touchdowns, Borges sucks", but in hindsight, looking at the last few years against MSU and this year against ND, TOs really cost us dearly.  He put a leash on Denard and picked his spots to go downfield.  I thought the conservative gameplan was the right one. 

As far as the no TDs thing goes, I thought the playcalling in the redzone was actually pretty good.  We had nothing to show for it, b/c of some poor execution (for example, Denard under throwing Funchess, throw behind Gallon, poor read on the zone read).  I do think execution is on the coaching staff to some extent as well, but we're never going to be perfect and we were playing a pretty good defense.  In the end, I think the general theme was to minimize mistakes and put points on the board when we could with little risk.  It turned out to be enough by a razors edge.  I think some of the opinion's of Borges' game are forgetting that the offense isn't a vacuum in the sense that the play calling had a lot to do with how our defense was playing.

Just my thoughts.  

GoBlueInIowa

October 21st, 2012 at 1:19 PM ^

Agree, I think Borges' plan was to not let bad Denard show up, even if it meant that for most of the game it would also keep away good Denard - except for late in the game when it really mattered.

abertain

October 21st, 2012 at 2:04 PM ^

I agree with the folks noting that these are actually the good times. M was 11-2 last year. I realize that M is recruiting well, but there is no guarantee that that will automatically turn them into a yearly National Title contender. I'm pretty happy with the team M has right now. I mean, don't get me wrong, I love good recruiting and damn if I wouldn't like some more playmakers at WR, not that Denar would necessarily throw it to them accurately, but it's not so bad right now. I don't know how much better M is going to get on defense in terms of production, yardage etc. They are pretty good. I, like all of you, hope they get better, but I wouldn't denigrate the current team by trying to imagine how great they'll be next year. That said, that is the prerogative and enjoyment of being a sports fan. Well, there is always next year. My wife did say she was worried M wouldn't win another National Title before I die. I'm thirty two. I'm hoping we don't have to wait fifty years, and I also hope that she's not poisoning me. Go blue. 

Buck Killer

October 21st, 2012 at 3:42 PM ^

Need to beat Kentucky, Arkansas or some other shitty SEC team to move up. South Carolina is extremely over ranked, Florida is way over ranked, and LSU is laughable. I live in Florida and watching these teams get the love they are getting is comical. South Carolina is propping this league up big time.

MGoSoftball

October 21st, 2012 at 4:03 PM ^

to say we only look at the distant past.  In 10 years we are 6-4, in 20 years we are 12-8, in 30 years we are 19-11.  We have the longest win streak at 8. 

sparty says: "But these are only facts and do not represent the hype, which is closer to the truth".

saveferris

October 21st, 2012 at 8:51 PM ^

Bottom line is that Hoke's program is still under development and he's already caught up to Dantonio, whose program is already built. MSU can expect a whole lot more losing in the future. MSU fans who think that Dantonio can keep up with Michigan while getting badly out recruited are delusional.

Asgardian

October 21st, 2012 at 5:04 PM ^

On the second to last drive we were on the MSU 25 yd line, Denard gets TFL'ed, a false start, and a holding penalty take us out of field goal range.  I was going nuts.  ND was also like that where we gave up points because the offense went backwards.  Hopefully we can get more disciplined on that in the future so that it doesn't cost us another one.

Sten Carlson

October 21st, 2012 at 7:00 PM ^

Last year Michigan was one of the least penalized teams in the B10, if not the nation.  Not sure what's happened to change this with Team 133, but it definitely cost them some serious momentum, and didn't allow them to take advantage of opportunities.