Moar Michigan/MSU Postgame Thoughts [Sunday Snowflake Thread]

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Moar Michigan/MSU Postgame Thoughts [Sunday Snowflake Thread]

Programming: The game will likely be replayed tonight on BTN as the "B1G Football Game of The Week." Ohio/Purdue was obviously a great game, but that game is being replayed right before this 8pm broadcast and I doubt they'd show it back-to-back.

Anyway, some good talk got washed away in the (warranted) excitement. With that said, after a day to let it soak in...where does this win stack in the Hoke era? IMO, it's #2 behind Ohio last year, ahead of the Sugar Bowl and UTL.

I just rewatched the 4th quarter and let me say...I am in tears. You can't watch that (knowing how it ends) and not just sit there and feel so good for these players. The fought SO hard. I feel like Junior Hemingway last January.

I suggest EVERYONE rewatch the end of the game...there are so many little things that remind you that these are college kids, just playing the game they love and pouring their HEART in it. There are even more examples of these kids being led by a GREAT coach and an even better man.

For example, during the final drive...the camera pans to the sideline and you see Gibbons walking up and Hoke slaps him on the helmet and gives him some encouragement. Gibby doesn't get paid to handle that pressure, but his team was behind him.

Denard going NUTS after spiking the ball (after the pass to Dileo).

The team mobbed Gibbons, but you can't get mad at that...just to see 115 guys realizing their dreams and reaching a goal was awesome.

Then after the game, you see how much it means to everyone. But you also see Hoke completely blow off the postgame game reporter go find Le'veon Bell and give him the BIGGEST hug like it was one of his own players. He gets it, he respects the rivalry, he respects the B1G, he respects MANBALL...even from a hated opponent.

Then you see the guys with that trophy...you see Jon Falk and you get this feeling "okay, it's over. We're back." Last year was no fluke, everything is restored, don't be afraid to care 110% like you used too...it's okay, Michigan is Michigan again.

We needed this win, and we needed to win just like this. An old fashioned Michigan game. A B1G game. No frills, no basketball on turf, just us vs. you, just victory.

 

“True loyalty is that quality of service that grows under adversity and expands in defeat. Any street urchin can shout applause in victory, but it takes character to stand fast in defeat. One is noise — the other, loyalty.”

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October 21st, 2012 at 10:07 AM | Final Drive (Score:4 Normal)
LSA Aught One
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I've re-watched the Denard dive for 1st down several times. I am sold that his knee never touched, but the MSU guys with me are still complaining about the spot. What did you see?

October 21st, 2012 at 10:14 AM | I'm betting none of them complained about (Score:5 Normal)
LB
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the spot they got that looked like a 1 1/2 yard gift?

May you have a strong foundation
When the winds of changes shift

October 21st, 2012 at 10:17 AM | I'm still salty about the ND (Score:5 Normal)
1484
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I'm still salty about the ND spot at the end of the game which prevented another guaranteed Michigan miracle.  They handed ND almost 2 yards.  This doesn't really have much to do with the post I am replying to, but it's more of a word association type thing.

Hail.

October 21st, 2012 at 10:18 AM | His knees are literally on (Score:4 Normal)
FreddieMercuryHayes
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His knees are literally on the face of an MSU player. There is no person with any rationality that can conclusively say his knee was down. Sparty is just grasping at straws.

October 21st, 2012 at 10:41 AM | Typical sparty (Score:5 Normal)
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They always have to blame someone or something.  I wouldn't doubt some blame the sun when it peaked out in the 3rd quarter.  Same 'ole spartans.

I would rate this #4.  1) ohio, 2) UTL, 3) Sugar Bowl. 

We are back.  The Universe is now stable again.

From the Red Cedar Message Board:  "God hates us."  Yes He does Lil Bro, yes he does.  Everyone hates you.

October 21st, 2012 at 12:20 PM | Seriously (Score:4 Normal)
TIMMMAAY
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And their sense of irony is just a bit lacking.

The first text I received after the game was: "LUCKY f-ing win, we got ROBBED". I feel sorry for anyone who has the misfortune to call themselves a Spartan fan.

not just "douchey" MGoBlog user, but now TRUSTED MGoBlog user

October 21st, 2012 at 12:39 PM | Sorry-ass spartans.. (Score:3 Normal)
solo dolo
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my brother sent me a text that said "we're still the better team" (lol),  to which i replied "I'd rather have the W buddy, Go Blue". It's amazing they can never give credit when credit is due, their failures are always a result of us cheating or some other BS excuse.

"I think Hoke has changed the tide on the rivalry. Hell people in Ohio are starting to believe him. Never in a million years I would have thought that. Selling Michigan jerseys is a good start."

October 21st, 2012 at 12:46 PM | That is why (Score:1 Normal)
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they are called 'lil Bro.  The cannot give any give any credit to us.  They have to have something over on us.

From the Red Cedar Message Board:  "God hates us."  Yes He does Lil Bro, yes he does.  Everyone hates you.

October 21st, 2012 at 3:56 PM | In fairness (Score:4 Normal)
vablue
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We have done some of this stuff too. See the non call pass interference on Howard and the extra second in 2001. I remember those robberies more than I do most of the victories.

October 21st, 2012 at 2:03 PM | that's funny (Score:1)
archangel2k12
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the one sparty fan I know texted me:
"we should have made that field goal but whatever...good game."
I don't forsee him bringing up football again for a long time. It will be a long time before MSU has a team near as good as their 2011 squad.

Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.

October 21st, 2012 at 3:50 PM | I know what (Score:3 Normal)
MGoSoftball
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you mean.  I used to coach with a sparty lover.  He had no affiliation with the school, he just loved sparty.  Ok  that is great. Root for whoever you want.

He was all over me when the stat "its been 1187 games since Michigan beat their little brother in football and basketball" was trumpeted.  He told me staee was "back".  I asked, "Back from what"?  He couldnt answer me.

I reminded him that Saban left because he was a realist that could not recruit against Michigan.  He was smart and left.

Then we won at the Big Chill and he said "wait until basketball".  When we beat sparty at Breslin, I reminded him about the comment he made at the the Big Chill.  He made excuses.  He even said Izzo had a cold and wasnt feeling well.  Huh?  You just cant make this stuff up.

We had a better basketball team.  But he couldnt say it.  sparty has always had us in basketball for years.  That was the only straw they could grasp.  Then they beat us again in football.  I gave him props.  I had to fire him as a coach so I have not heard from him in a year or so, but I will see if his head exploded yet.  If we take two in basketball, YIKES!

 

From the Red Cedar Message Board:  "God hates us."  Yes He does Lil Bro, yes he does.  Everyone hates you.

October 21st, 2012 at 2:13 PM | UNLESS SAID PLAYER'S HEAD WAS (Score:5 Normal)
evenyoubrutus
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UNLESS SAID PLAYER'S HEAD WAS DEFLATED DUE TO EMPTY SPACE!

ZING!

Not that I loved Rich Rod less, but that I loved Michigan more.

October 21st, 2012 at 3:23 PM | Sparty complaints? (Score:1)
Tater
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I think the spot was "spot on," but RCMB is having one of their most entertaining meltdowns of the season.  I love how some are blaming the refs and the "bad spot," when they were allowed several questionable late hits and not called on one once.  

I can't wait for TWIS.  Their number one blame object is the OC, as in, "scUM didn't beat us, our OC beat us with his playcalling."  Most of them are now sad that they have "nothing left to play for."  

I guess it really was their "Super Bowl."

 

 

 

October 21st, 2012 at 3:33 PM | You cant (Score:3 Normal)
MGoSoftball
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make this stuff up.  They are in complete meltdown.  Some even want Dantonio's job.

Now, I do not like Dantonio any more than the next mgo Blogger.  He is a douche-bag and he even admitted it this week.  However, he is not a miracle worker.  He is an average coach who cant possibly coach-up an entire team.

In softball, there is always 1 or 2 players that can be coached up to play like the others.  But no one can coach up an entire team in any sport.

Now dont get me wrong, I dont feel sorry for marky mark.  However the sparty nation needs to get a reality check.

From the Red Cedar Message Board:  "God hates us."  Yes He does Lil Bro, yes he does.  Everyone hates you.

October 22nd, 2012 at 8:25 AM | No, no, according to all the (Score:2)
saveferris
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No, no, according to all the Spartan slappies I've come across, Denard's knee touched before he fell on top of the MSU player and stretched for the first down.  I really can't believe that they can dismiss Spartan Bob incident or the Wisconsin finish last season and then whine about a replay call not going their way.

 

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"Fix the cigarette lighter."

October 21st, 2012 at 10:22 AM | Denard was never in fact (Score:2 Normal)
Mattinboots
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Denard was never in fact down. The only thing that stopped the play was forward momentum! He was lyingn on top of a guy forgodsakes!

October 21st, 2012 at 10:55 AM | He wasn't down, it was pretty (Score:2)
Jeff09
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He wasn't down, it was pretty clear in the stands on the big screen that he was laying on some players when he made the reach



Not even a close call I don't think

Call Mr. Plow, that's my name, that name again is Mr. Plow

October 21st, 2012 at 11:28 AM | Call it even for last year (Score:5 Normal)
orobs
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Call it even for last year when we got a bullshit spot before the 4th and inches disaster play

October 21st, 2012 at 11:33 AM | I saw the clock on (Score:5 Normal)
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The replay and we should've got 11 seconds back on the clock for the stop for a first down.

October 21st, 2012 at 2:18 PM | Yeah I was going crazy about (Score:4 Normal)
MGoCombs
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Yeah I was going crazy about this. I really don't know the rule, but I figured they would put some time back on.

"And when we play as a team, when the old season is over, you and I know, it's gonna be Michigan again, Michigan."

October 21st, 2012 at 6:00 PM | Agreed! (Score:4 Normal)
JoeyGoBlue2
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As the ref was on the headset reviewing the play, he was looking right at us in Sec 21. Everyone around us was screaming about the clock and pointing to their fake wristwatch. We would have thought that the ref was old enough to remember wristwatches, apparently not.

Geh Blau

October 21st, 2012 at 11:54 AM | One replay angle made it look (Score:3 Normal)
SysMark
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One replay angle made it look like his knee might have touched, but all others showed it definitely did not.  Case closed.

October 21st, 2012 at 12:17 PM | his knees never touched the ground (Score:1)
MidMichiganLaurence
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They were on the body of another player, therefore the spot was correct. 

October 21st, 2012 at 12:51 PM | But they (Score:1 Normal)
mgoballoon
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say forward progress was stopped.

October 21st, 2012 at 6:16 PM | But (Score:2)
ChopBlock
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But if his forward momentum was stopped, then how did he keep going forward, thereby jobbing them on the spot?

/logic

"The straightest line from A to B is straight: From A to B"

"When you have Denard Robinson, you can have everything"

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October 21st, 2012 at 6:44 PM | Sounds logical (Score:1 Normal)
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to me.

From the Red Cedar Message Board:  "God hates us."  Yes He does Lil Bro, yes he does.  Everyone hates you.

October 21st, 2012 at 8:28 PM | He was laying on top of a couple of (Score:1)
MGoBlue96
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players, so his knee didn't touch until he had reached the ball across the marker. It was definatly the correct spot.

October 21st, 2012 at 8:55 PM | Fun chess spot at the 11 (Score:1)
squashman
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I thought we actually got screwed on the spot for Funchess early in the 4th quarter when he caught the sideline pass. He was down at the 11 not the ten which would have allowed us to get a first down. It ultimately changed the way the calls were made on second and third down. I have watched this on the replay and the ref was right in position to spot it correctly. Funchess' helmet is on the 10 but the ball is in his stomach closer to the 11.

The SQUASHman

October 22nd, 2012 at 2:03 AM |   Remind him that it was a (Score:1)
BeantownWolverine
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Remind him that it was a 3rd down attempt, not 4th.

Whiners will whine and Sparties will spart.

October 21st, 2012 at 10:08 AM | Michigan is not back yet (Score:5 Normal)
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And Michigan is not the Michigan of old yet, we are definitely making positive strides but until we blow the whole defensive line off the ball back 1 or 2 yards every play and smash it between the tackles, then we will be back. UofM is back from a stabilized program perspective but not personnel wise.

"Only three things can happen when you pass, and two of them are bad" -Bo Schembechler

October 21st, 2012 at 10:31 AM | I'll take the team we have, thank you very much. (Score:5 Normal)
LB
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Future players might be bigger, but they will be building on the foundation laid down by a bunch of guys who came to play for Michigan, who didn't quit, and who represented Michigan when fans and even former players were abandoning the team. A walk-on who became a Captain. A QB who was too short but will own most of the QB records when he leaves, tiny running backs and slot ninjas. I think I heard it said somewhere that Michigan never left.

 

May you have a strong foundation
When the winds of changes shift

October 21st, 2012 at 10:45 AM | Touche (Score:5 Normal)
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The seniors deserve this win.  They have been through the pits of hell.  I will take the motley crew any day of the week.  Are they perfect? no.  Can they win a NC? probably not.  But they exemplify the honor and traditions that is Michigan.  The seniors are truely Michigan Men.

From the Red Cedar Message Board:  "God hates us."  Yes He does Lil Bro, yes he does.  Everyone hates you.

October 21st, 2012 at 12:52 PM | I am so (Score:1 Normal)
mgoballoon
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happy for the seniors.

October 21st, 2012 at 11:27 AM | Clearly (Score:2 Normal)
MGoBrewMom
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We have Michigan guys on this team. All Heart. They have never left. The difference is that when things can go one way or the other, we can expect them to go Michigan's way. The preparation, focus and confidence that instilled is making the difference.

Wooo freaking hoooo!!!

Mom, MGrad and life long fan living in So Cal

October 21st, 2012 at 1:06 PM | True (Score:1 Normal)
mgoballoon
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Michigan Men.

October 21st, 2012 at 10:37 AM | What we have is still special (Score:1)
lonewolf371
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Keep in mind that the rate at which Hoke has won so far is second all-time among Michigan coaches since 1900 (behind only Fielding Yost), and his conference winning percentage is second only behind Schembechler. Very few teams in Michigan history have won as much as Michigan has under Hoke, and 11-2 seasons aren't as common as you'd think. Enjoy the moment.

October 21st, 2012 at 10:43 AM | on Michigan being back (Score:5 Normal)
EGD
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I don't think that A-Train32 really cares whether the team wins or loses, he seems more interested in the style of play.  I mean, when you have the entire library of Bo quotes to choose from, and you go with "Only three things can happen on a pass, and two of them are bad," you may have a '70s complex.

"You will suffer humiliation when the team from my area defeats the team from your area." -- The Onion

October 21st, 2012 at 11:30 AM | especially when it's a Woody (Score:5 Normal)
Bodogblog
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especially when it's a Woody Hayes quote

http://quoteinvestigator.com/2011/10/04/pass-3-things/

 

October 21st, 2012 at 12:11 PM | When you say "back" do you (Score:5 Normal)
RedGreene
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When you say "back" do you mean getting beat by App State back? Getting our asses handed to us by USC back?  Losing 90% of our games toTressel back?  

Yes I got him a gift. He had a kidney stone. You piss a rock through your pecker, you deserve more than just a pat on the fucking back.

October 21st, 2012 at 5:31 PM | So... (Score:2)
quakk
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What are you trying to say?

October 21st, 2012 at 10:50 AM | I sort of agree with this. He (Score:5 Normal)
Jeff09
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I sort of agree with this. He did exactly what people were advocating (run Denard's best run plays and pa pass off of that) and it didn't work so great. So not sure what people want at this point, I feel that because of the way the personnel is set up we're going to sort of be a feast or famine offense. That said my main issue with the offense is we seem to continue to have struggles in the red zone and leave points on the field. Need to get that turned around but overall I don't have many issues with Gorgeous

Call Mr. Plow, that's my name, that name again is Mr. Plow

October 21st, 2012 at 11:06 AM | Feast or Famine (Score:5 Normal)
funkywolve
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I think people also need to put it into context too.  MSU was surrending something like an average of 240 yds/game and 90 yds rushing/game.  UM had 326 yds of offense and 160 yds rushing.  Anyone expecting an offensive onslaught like UM put on Purdue and Illinois had unrealistic expectations.  It would have been nice to score some TD's in the red zone but at the end of the day they came out with a W.

October 21st, 2012 at 10:15 AM | Not thoughts, (Score:3 Normal)
1484
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Not thoughts, snowflakes.

Here is mine:

Never did I think that we would score 12 points and beat MSU.  Nor did I ever think that we could hold ND to 13 points and lose.  Aside from Bama, our defense has held us in games against good opponents (of which I would qualify Bama, ND, and sometimes MSU).  Even in the Bama game, there was a pick 6 and another few drives that our defense had to protect a shortened field, plus our offense could not maintain a drive to save their lives. 

We may not run the table to finish the year with a better record than last (12-2), but it's refreshing to see our players developing like they should.  That's a big compliment to the coaching staff, and something that was sorely lacking in the previous regime.  And that statement is coming from a RR apologist.

Hail.

October 21st, 2012 at 10:19 AM | It is just so clear and easy (Score:3 Normal)
Wolvmarine
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It is just so clear and easy to see how and why Hoke is able to recruit the way he does, and why he will continue to recurit at an elite level until he retires. 

All hail Hoke!

October 21st, 2012 at 10:49 AM | That is what PSU Nation said too (Score:0 Normal)
October 21st, 2012 at 11:46 AM | So you're opposed to having (Score:5 Normal)
snarling wolverine
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So you're opposed to having "blind faith" in the guy (leave aside the fact that he's won 80% of his games here) - but then you want us to keep supporting him so he'll continue to recruit well?  Which is it?

October 21st, 2012 at 12:18 PM | You missed my point. (Score:0 Normal)
October 21st, 2012 at 12:23 PM | I agree. (Score:1 Normal)
mgoballoon
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I heard many people say as we were leaving the game yesterday; "we are back" and "NC here we come", "Fu*k the SEC". 

We are back.  But in order to continue to remain on top, we must keep moving forward.  Hoke is great but lets not get stuck in the mud just because we won a few key games.

Championships are not build overnight.

October 21st, 2012 at 12:25 PM | Exactly (Score:0 Normal)
October 21st, 2012 at 12:42 PM | So which is it? Either you're supporting Hoke, or you aren't (Score:5 Normal)
Don
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1. "Having blind faith in Hoke just because he beat ohio, ND and moo u is not good."

2. "We must support the team win or lose."

 


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