#7 was a revelation last night. Holy cow, he was all over the filed making plays. And he's not a situational liability. He makes the defense better.
i refuse to even consider this a possibility
what an awesome post
Nothing wrong with this post..Lighten up
It didn't add much, but it sparked a good conversation. I see nothing wrong with this.
Ditto for you!
I think we'll see him some more. The D rotation seemed to slow as the game went on. I'm wondering if the coaches started to settle on a primary group there. Hawthorne deserved it, that's for sure. Although, I honestly didn't pay attention to his pass coverage.
I will also say that Will Campbell played pretty well when he was inserted in the 4th quarter. Not much of a pass rusher, but good run stuffer. That 3rd down where Ryan came in untouched? Campbell literally destroyed that RT. He put the dude on his ass right at the point of attack. I hope that becomes a rule, rather than an exeption.
Wow. I didn't notice that BWC play last night. He completely destroyed the RT. That's really nice to see
part of the game, which must mean something (unless the rotations are fixed and it was simply his turn). Hoke mentioned him during his BTN interview, and he's likely going to grade out well during team film review
Was great to see him obliterate that RT in a 1-on-1 match-up, just bent him over backwards
ND had run a lot of plays by that point. I kind of feel like BWC got the nod because the starters were gassed as opposed to confidence (he didn't look that great last week).
Still it was nice to see him blow that RT up and some other plays. It's positive film the coaches can use to build on with him. Also we can let him destroy poor fools on the EMU, SDSU and Minny lines for the next three weeks. It would be amazing if by MSU the light bulb is on in BWC's head and he's a regular.
i was literally just rewatching game with wife and stopped dvr to point tht out. felt good to see big will do his job.
Does your wife have a Muslim sister? I would strongly consider an arranged marriage with her.
Yeah I saw that play by Campbell too...shows how much potential he has if he can play with proper technique and better leverage!
Agreed. It was nice seeing him in person and how fast he reacted to plays. Lets see if he can continue this type of performace all season long.
Campbell had a couple nice plays, but he also stood straight up a few times.
He's got so much potential, and there's only so much you're going to find out in practice. He needs as much PT as possible prior to the conference schedule.
I wouldnt mind seeing a healthy Mike Martin in our last stretch of games either.
The only problem is, he can probably beat EMU's O-line with bad technique, so we might just be reinforcing the problem.
At least we can get some playing time for him and rest a starter.
This is the second game that his stat sheet is completely blank. What has happened to him?
I've been wondering the same thing.
I'm wondering the same thing. Western did a lot of quick passes to neutralize a pass rush, and ND did some of the same, but he should have to potential to generate some pressure anyway. He always seems like a half step late. Although I did notice him play diciplined in many run situations. He didn't lose contain, and stayed home on read options (i.e. not crashing, and opening up a big run). But he always seems just a little late to the ball. Don't know what the problem was. Did Black play really any better?
But honestly, his biggest was on that sideline dumpoff that was kind of broken. I think that the risk of Woods getting big runs was so great that they actually wanted Roh to just cover the outside run.
What is surprising about Roh is that you would think if they are just doing a lot of 3 step drops that he could at least use his height to bat down some balls at the LOS.
But from skimming the highlights (will be skimming the game itself at some point), it looked like Roh was playing a lot of contain - and while I'm not a football coach, it seemed like he was mostly (there was one play where it looked like he bit on a QB fake and jumped upfield instead of coming backside on the RB, but he was backside on the play so he may not have had chase responsibility?) making good decisions. Maybe not tackles (though there was one where he forced the ball carrier into the tackler, and another where if Martin hadn't done a nice job ripping through a block he'd have had the tackle himself) but I don't think he'll grade out badly.
I did notice he was out of the game on a lot of the 3rd and short situations where we got good penetration and stopped rushers in the backfield - read into that what you will.
Watched some more video and there seems to be a mix from Roh - some good, some bad, and a lot of forgettable. Probably net zero on the day, +/- 1, I think.
What are you comparing Roh's play with? What do you mean what's happened to him? I've never been impressed with him during games in his 3 years. I've always EXPECTED him to be good because of his size and apparent athletic ability, but in games, I feel like he always disappears. His play has always been extremely disappointing to me.
I would be pretty damn happy with a starting LB crew of Gordon, Demens and Hawthorne.
But why the heck would you pull Ryan now? Dude has been a force.
Think about it like this.... theres a reason why he beat out Jake Ryan during training camp. Maybe hes just that good.
He really shined in the 2nd half. Very refreshing to see.
I believe the technical term is State St. vs. Main St. players.
I love the boys from Pahokee. They all seem to have the best attitudes and are the hardest workers.
out of it
It is funny how many are high on Hawthorn, but nonoe has mentioned the cheap shot/punch he had just as the ABC was going to a break. Also strikes me as ironic not a mention of it when they came back to aire. I loved his play, not questioning his ability to make this D better, but I will question his character as a student athelete at Michigan! There is no place for that type of behavior from anyone on this team. We are the Ohio, Sparty, or anyother team out there.
Screen shot or it didn't happen.
All saw the "cheap shot"you're speaking of. Imo, both guys were going after one another equally after the whistle...btw, did you not realize there was an official that was right next to them watching? Clearly he didn't think anything was cheap.
yeah, and charles woodson is a total piece of shit human being as well for his actions on Thursday night, right? Get a life dude, football is a contact sport.
The funny thing about your comment, last year there was a cheap shot on a Michigan player. I can't remember what game it was, and everyone on here weere expressing their feelings about how there is no place in football for that type of behavior. Now the table has turned, it is a Michigan player which did it, and you are supporting the behavior. HYPOCRITES
You do realize that some shots/punches/episodes are different don't you? What people are objecting to is not your criticizing a M player, but taking that questionable shot done in the heat of battle by Hawthorne and using it to question his character as a human being--that is dumb.
Things happen in big games, that shot was questionable but nothing to call into question anyone's character.
It' good to see the Pahokee kids do well for Michigan as I understand from a sports documentary there is plenty of potential talent in that area. I think Brandin played well enough to get some serious playing time this season - the young man has a future a Michigan.
Nice to see Hawthorne become a key player. He seemed to be a forgotten guy in the depth chart prior to this year. People have talked about how many returning starters we had on defense coming into this year, but the 2010 D was such a complete mess that our new defensive staff is clearly still having to figure out whom the best players are.
I saw him hit a ND player after the whistle, looked like he punched him in the head. It was right in front of the ref and I can't believe he didn't get flagged. Didn't like seeing that.
I can't believe how many have a problem with a kid having a momentary lapse of judgement playing a contact sport. It happens every week at every level in the country.
I try to focus on the linebackers when I'm watching the game and Hawthorne did some pretty nice things. He made some mistakes on read/reacts/getting off the block and at least once he was late on a TE out route that was his to cover, but overall, he played well.
Not to jump off topic, but I noticed #76 Q Washington in the game as well. I didn't watch his play. Did anyone take notice of his play?
I noticed Q on two occasions, both replays on TV. My first impression was "meh". He got absolutely nowhere upfield on one passing play. My initial reaction was that he was dropping off the LOS in a zone blitz, but he was engaged with a ND OL! So I think that theory can be shot down. Perhaps he was in on one or more of the 3rd and short stands where we stuffed ND? I remember he was often on the field for the goal line "D" last year.