MLive: Article on Nussmeier-Gardner relationship

Submitted by reshp1 on

http://www.mlive.com/wolverines/index.ssf/2014/07/michigan_devin_gardne…

Couple of interesting bits:

 

One of those challenges is the freedom to change offensive line protection schemes. One offseason emphasis from Nussmeier has been to call plays quickly, allowing the offense to break the huddle and get to the line of scrimmage with plenty of available time.

With that time, Nussmeier wants Gardner to evaluate the opposing defense and assure that the offensive line is correctly assigned.

“He’s given me the opportunity to protect myself before the play starts,” Gardner said. “If I see something the offensive line might not see, I can make the change to make sure I’m protected.”

Was that an option a year ago?

“Not as much, no.”

It sounds like two of the (related) things we've been clamoring for are going to become reality this year. A) Gardner having some more freedom to audible at the line and B) getting out of the huddle and to the line fast enough to have time to make those changes. At the moment, only protection scheme is mentioned, but reading between the lines, I wonder if Gardner will have more freedom to check out of plays as well.

maize-blue

July 31st, 2014 at 10:51 AM ^

I really think we're going to see an improved offense this year and the benefits of a non-Borges led offense. I also believe, as others have stated, that it will be a building process throughout the season. I'm not expecting to see the same floundering, wallowing, taking backward steps offense of last year.

Space Coyote

July 31st, 2014 at 10:52 AM ^

They were just done by the OL rather than the OL and DG both. This puts one more thing on DG's plate, good or bad, but also puts another set of eyes on the protection, a set of eyes that isn't in an OL stance right before the snap.

So the good is that you have more people with the option of seeing things develop across from them from the defense.

The downside is that you now have multiple people that may see things differently, and who has the final word. This wasn't always a smooth thing at Bama, even between highly experienced players.

So positives and negatives to both. If the QB is comfortable adding this to his responsibilities, I prefer it. But if he's overwelmed by other aspects of the game still, I'd prefer he focus on other things.

FWIW, Gardner will almost certainly making checks at the line, at least in the run game. It's pretty much a necessity for a zone based run team at this level. Other than that though, most of the adjustments in the pass game will come post-snap, and I'm not sure DG will have much freedom checking from run to pass (he may have more freedom checking from pass to run, that's hard to say).

Space Coyote

July 31st, 2014 at 11:20 AM ^

At least, to some degree, all the protections won't be necessarily carried over to Nussmeier's offense. But the OL should always have the capability of making protection calls, and almost all coaches work that way (there are some that don't, I remember this being a topic of discussion in the past few years, I think at Nevada or somewhere, but I wouldn't recommend it and I don't think Nussmeier will go that approach either. IMO, that puts way too much on the OL's plate to be completely responsible for all those aspects of the offense, and doesn't give the OL ability to see things themselves and adjust for something that they are personally responsible for.

I don't think that gives much confidence for the OL, and I don't think it gives credit to their intelligence. It also doesn't make sense in terms of it's already something the OL is learning about, rather than an extra thing, so you might as well utilize them (it takes relatively very little more to teach them about these sorts of things than it does to teach the QB).

UMfan21

July 31st, 2014 at 11:34 AM ^

SC, I have never fully grasped protections. Is this a Diary subject you might consider doing with diagrams?

I see during games when the OL identifies a matchup problem, or a defender tips his blitz, but I don't always understand what the old protection was vs the new. I don't understand how many protections they have to choose from And are the pros dependent upon the defensive alignment or not?

Space Coyote

July 31st, 2014 at 12:15 PM ^

But I've previously written about it a bit. Here is a link to my blog that links to something I wrote about high level schemes http://breakdownsports.blogspot.com/2013/11/inside-playbook-pass-protec… Here's a link to a link about pass pro technique http://breakdownsports.blogspot.com/2013/11/Offensive-line-pass-protect… Hopefully that's a decent primer at least

reshp1

July 31st, 2014 at 11:28 AM ^

I think the biggest difference will be having more time to make that call, whether it's Gardner or the OL. I agree, it's one more thing on Gardner's plate, but if he has more time at the line, it might not be too big of a deal. Obviously there are potential downsides and it's just one more thing to go wrong, but I feel like we solidly on the not adaptable side of the spectrum vs the giving the QB too much side last year.

funkywolve

July 31st, 2014 at 11:39 AM ^

You make a call in the huddle and get to the line and the oline starts making calls to figure out what their blocking assignments are going to be.  Gardner changes the play and that also might require the oline to change their blocking assignments.  For a line that most people feel is young and inexperienced, it's another item that gets thrown on their plate too.

Magnus

July 31st, 2014 at 10:55 AM ^

WOTS is that Nussmeier has taught Gardner how to throw as a lefty. You're all going to be very surprised (although less so with this inside info) when he completes a 17-yard dig route with his left arm on the first series against Appalachian State. Even more surprising? The guy who's going to catch it is Ondre Pipkins.

You heard it here first.

Perd Hapley

July 31st, 2014 at 11:07 AM ^

I am just happy to hear they are going to focus on getting to the line early and read the defense at least a little bit more than they did last year. It drove me nuts seeing the offense get set with around 10 seconds on the clock. Even if we don't want to run a high tempo at least we are putting more pressure on the def to show its hand earlier by getting to the line with 20 sec on play clock. Even if we don't snap until the last second I will be happy. I think the PSU game where we got a delay of game and back us out of field goal range when we could go up 10 was a prime example of this!

mGrowOld

July 31st, 2014 at 11:08 AM ^

Breaking the huddle with time to check the formation and audible out of bad plays or bad offensive line blocking assignments?
Fantastic.
Not having Al Borges call the plays in the first place?
Priceless.

ClearEyesFullHart

August 1st, 2014 at 12:11 AM ^

Borges certainly could have put them in a better position to succeed. But Gardner threw a lot of bad picks last year before he turtled. And that O line was terrible. But hey, Mattison and Hoke were able to cobble the defense together with duct table and bailing wire that first year. The D should be legit now. If Nussmeier comes close to that kind of magic with the offense it could be a special year.

Monocle Smile

July 31st, 2014 at 11:19 AM ^

Nuss isn't Chip Kelly, but he runs a much higher-tempo offense than Slothball Borges. I look forward to not burning 20 seconds off the play clock every goddamn time before even lining up.

BayWolves

July 31st, 2014 at 8:28 PM ^

Yes! And high tempo practices have also meant more reps which cannot be overstated as a value to player development. I hope the defense got in a lot of up tempo reps as well.

JediLow

July 31st, 2014 at 11:23 AM ^

I remember Devin did it once last year... which resulted in a TD. (Didn't look like he had a lot of ok to do it, but it was a gaping hole that he checked into instead of  a sure sack)

AFWolverine

July 31st, 2014 at 11:30 AM ^

I remember that play like it was yesterday. I was screaming at the TV (and my wife) that there was a huge opening and nearly jumped out of my skin when I saw Gardner call the audible. The excitement I was exuberating was probably unnecessary but I didn't care. He made the right call and we got a TD.

UMgradMSUdad

July 31st, 2014 at 11:31 AM ^

I'm as optimistic about this upcoming season as just about anyone, but I am concerned that there might just be a step or two back before improving.  Gardner is bright and has a lot of experience, but this will be this 3rd OC and 3rd system he has to learn. I expect there to be some glitches, especially early in the year.

MBloGlue

July 31st, 2014 at 11:33 AM ^

I found it interesting that at the beginning of the article Gardner mentions that Nussmeier is really hard on him, but later in the article he states repeatedly Nussmeier is a "player's coach".  It made me realize that I'm not sure what "player's coach" really means, or if it means anything at all.  Is it just one of those superlatives that attaches to any coach that someone likes and thinks is a good coach?  Or does it have a more precise meaning?

Magnum P.I.

July 31st, 2014 at 11:38 AM ^

Getting to the line more quickly seems like a no-brained and something I just couldn't understand about our offense last season. It gives you a chance to assess the defense. But it also gives you a small element of surprise in terms of when you snap the ball. It seemed like every single play last season we'd be snapping the ball right as the play clock expired, so the defense was loaded up for that very moment.

Perd Hapley

July 31st, 2014 at 11:42 AM ^

I am assuming Gardner likes that he actually has a QB coach. Yes he is hard on him because he is actually in there coaching every little thing he does. As hoke said Nuss has great attention to detail.

Reader71

July 31st, 2014 at 11:53 AM ^

Call me a skeptic, but I think many of us will be disappointed in the amount of time we will be at the line this year. I know they want to get up there early, but subbing personnel and getting the play call in takes a little time. We will probably use fewer different personnel packages than we did under Borges, so we might save some time there. But if that's the case, we had better move the ball pretty damn well or else we'll hear the "predictable" criticism quite a bit.

GoBLUinTX

July 31st, 2014 at 12:43 PM ^

from the occasional spring practice updates and the spring thing, was a greater sense of urgency between plays and from the hudle to the line, than I had seen in previous years.  Gardner also mentioned this during one of the update interviews last winter.  I don't think you'll see a 15 second savings of time, but even three or four can make quite a difference.  As I'm sure you know.

reshp1

July 31st, 2014 at 12:45 PM ^

Not to get off on a tangent, but all the substitution packages we used last year made us more predictable, not less. Norfleet on the field? Some jet sweep variation. Jeremy Jackson subs in? Run play. I'm sure there were another half dozen of these a keen DC could pick up on. If we can run what we run out of the same look and personnel and sub more for fatigue and injury I think we will actually be less transparent.

Reader71

July 31st, 2014 at 7:59 PM ^

I was talking more about personnel groupings. Like running 1 TE 2 RB on first down, 0 TE 1 RB on second down, and 3 TE 2 RB on third down. You are correct that some of our substitutions tipped run/pass, but that's just a position coach yelling at one guy to go in and call one guy out. That takes 1-2 seconds. A personnel change requires 3 position coaches being in sync and up to 10 players coming in/out. More time. And that's not even accounting for the time it takes for the coordinator to pick the play he wants. On a big third down, that guy wants to make sure he's got the right play.

Maize and Blue…

July 31st, 2014 at 3:13 PM ^

use 43 different formations for 88 plays.  Something Fester seemed extremely proud of last year.  You don't need different personnel packages to run different plays.  In fact, part of Borges' predictablity was that his personnel packages seemed tied to specific plays.  The more plays you can run out of the same personnel package the better.

Avon Barksdale

July 31st, 2014 at 11:52 AM ^

This may just be my opinion, and I have no statistical evidence to back it up, but I always felt our offense did better the last three years when we went no huddle (2011 ND [multiple times], 2011 OSU, 2012 Northwestern, 2013 Uconn/Akron, 2013 Northwestern) just to name a few.

Obviously, Nussmeier is just mentioning getting out of the huddle quicker. I'd like to see us push the tempo a llittle bit more as well. It does not have to be a no look spread like Rich Rod, but catching a defense off guard 2-3 possessions a game without huddling with moderate tempo couldn't hurt.

More importantly, it slows the defense down (generally) and allows the offensive line to get to them while out of position.

Blarvey

July 31st, 2014 at 3:35 PM ^

I think it is possible but there is the 2 minute no huddle/hurryup and then there is the quickly get lined up after a play and then run dive once "no huddle".  

Even under RR the Michigan offense didn't seem to have as fast a tempo as Chip Kelly's Oregon teams, a Gus Malzahn offense, or even RR at Arizona.

I Love Lamp

July 31st, 2014 at 12:01 PM ^

If Gardner can make the proper reads both in the passing and running game, and we can avoid the fitting the square peg in the round hole crap we saw so much of last year, then sign me up.

Perd Hapley

July 31st, 2014 at 12:06 PM ^

I asked Nuss at the Coaching clinic about no huddle vs huddle and high tempo vs slowing the game down out of each no huddle. His answer was basically : we will do all of that stuff but only if we think we will be getting a real advantage. I took his answer as we are going to huddle but get to the line to check plays but they will not go no huddle. So I do not expect to have a major change from what we had pace wise last year. I do think they will have a much better 2 min drill than we did last year.

Monocle Smile

July 31st, 2014 at 12:10 PM ^

No one's expecting a no-huddle offense, but getting to the line with like five seconds left every play last year was painful.

The other bothersome thing was the approach to halftime with the ball. Hoke likes to go all Carr on us and take a knee even if we're at midfield with a minute left and a timeout.

Perd Hapley

July 31st, 2014 at 12:15 PM ^

I think for the most part we know what we are going to get. We have all seen Alabama's offense the last 2 yrs. I doubt we will get the same production but it will look similar. I think we have a worse RB run game than Bama but Nuss will use Gardners legs a lot more that He did with Mccaron.

xxxxNateDaGreat

July 31st, 2014 at 12:27 PM ^

From what I have heard so far (and please keep in mind that this is coming from a good friend who knows someone who works in a minor role on the football team, so even though I trust him, it's still "friend of friend, grain of salt"), Nuss is a huge improvement over Borges in teaching, coaching, and scheming.

Gardner should be more disciplined this year (i.e. he's being encouraged to throw the ball away and not run back as much) but we won't know if that translates until game time. The line (and the RBs) will be better, not only from experience, but from having a consistent game plan that doesn't wildly fluctuate from week to week and is no longer full of a few dozen useless trick plays that they will probably never use. Expect the offense as a whole to be more consistent.

I know that is not exactly news for most of you all, but this story reminded me of that conversation and it's nice to have some confirmation that things are going to get sooooo much better.

Also, this is why I've been saying that Michigan can absolutely win 10 games this year. The Defense should be great and now the offense should be good enough to help win a game or two.