Mke Journal-Sentinel: Carlos Hyde scored below literacy level on Wonderlic
According to a pro scout's report in the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, Hyde’s Wonderlic score was 9. Given that 10 is the minimal literacy level, you wonder who Carlos has to thank at Ohio for his great academic achievement. Maybe he can credit Urban Meyer, who was so tough on Carlos.
Once, Meyer kept Carlos out for two whole plays after an unspecified “academic infraction”. Oddly, Hyde’s performance turned out to be “the third-best rushing performance in Ohio State history.
Meyer said about Carlos “"He's fine. He has been great and I expect him to be great again. I have no problem with Carlos….(but) "Academically our guys are held to a certain standard,"
Since a 9 score on the Wonderlic does not meet the standard for basic literacy (10), you have to wonder what exactly was the standard of Meyer and Ohio . (think North Carolina)
Oakland's train wreck of an O-line finally took its toll on Pryor during the last 1/3rd of the season, McGloin stepped in and did decently well, so they decided not to risk throwing Pryor back out there to be pummelled.
QB's, and OL.
Just one that's beginning to see the light of day. The Wonderlic test provides somewhat of a gauge on just how important academic "tutoring" and "academic support centers" are to keeping student-athletes eligible.
Name - school/year of draft (wonderlic score)
Morris Claiborne - LSU/2009 (4)
Terrell Pryor - Ohio/2011 (7)
Travis Henry - Tenn/2001 (9)
Charles Rodgers - MSU/2003 (10)
Frank Gore - Miami/2005 (6)
Tavon Austin - WVU/2013 (7)
AJ Green - UGA/2011 (10)
Percy Harvin - UF/2009 (12)
CJ Spiller - Clem/2009 (10)
Vince Young -UT/2006 (6) then (16)
Ray Lewis - Miami/1996 (13)
Chris Johnson - ECU/2008 (10)
Either one of three things happened for athletes to score this low: 1) They didn't try, 2) They got academic "assistance" all the way through college to stay eligible and/or "earn" their degree, or 3) They legitimately worked their way academically through college in which case such an insitution should be revoked of its license to operate as an institute of higher learning. College degrees should never be awarded to someone well below to barely above literate. It's kind of a self-defeating oxymoron.
Another possibility you didn't list is that some of these athletes might have a learning disability.
That seemed like a complete joke before the Wonderlic result.
Shocking.
I heard he just spelled out ABBA DABBA over and over again.
One bit. He is still going to be the first running back off the board and to be honest, the wonderlic isn't the greatest measure of how smart someone is anyway, most of the test is effort.
"...most of the test is effort." No more so or less than any of the other "tests" they do at the NFL combine. I'm sure the 320 lb NG can put forth 100% effort, but he'll still never run a 4.5 forty. He might be lucky to run a 5.2, but lack of effort isn't what's making him slower than the DBs and WRs.
Didn't you get the memo? He just needs to "want it more" and he would be all set.
Gotta execute, too
I am soooooo printing this out for my Buckeye co-worker.
Does it make some of you feel better to mock a Buckeye's test scores?
I hate shit like this because if you really think he tried and that was the score he recieved (which I doubt) then you should be seriously upset about how the entire schooling process failed him...
sorry, the teacher in me doesn't think this shit is funny...
nor does the adult in me...
the ewok does a little, butt fuck him... (get it?)
jdon
It reminds me of an experience I had when chairing an international symposium in Moscow, just before the Soviet Union broke up.
At the time, their currency was almost worthless. And the workers there who got paid in that worthless currency had a slogan:
“As long as they continue to pretend to pay us, we’ll continue to pretend to work.”
Now, athletes at schools like Ohio and North Carolina might feel like those exploited workers in Russia.
“As long as they continue to pretend to teach us, we’ll continue to pretend to learn.”
we don't often criticise the professors who pass these players... or not nearly enough.
The whole system is a sham.
jdon
My dad hires people fairly often and considers the Wonderlic test to be a pretty good predictive tool for whether interviewees will be a good fit. He had my little sister take it when she was in seventh grade and if the interviewee can't score better than her he won't hire them.
I wonder how many creative or self-paced people he missed out on.
Standardized tests blandly scan for rote memorized material and as such offer little in the way of an honest assessment in my honest opinion.
jdon
I think you are assuming, incorrectly, that I don't believe that the colleges themselves are part of the problem.
Do you know what a scale score is? Basically it is the number that corresponds to students score on a given test (specifically used in MEAP, MME, and school top to bottom rankings).
The scores are divided into four categories: not proficient (not making the grade), partially proficient (the kid knows, some things, but not all the 'essential' materials), Proficient (the kid knows the essential material), and Advanced (the kid knows beyond the expected material).
The process to determine cut offs of the scores really interests me and it should be discussed more often:
Basically they (OPARE, whomever tells OPARE what to do) decided that a 'proficient' score would predict a B average in college (now, which college, is never set, and I think that matters, but whatever).
IF they had set the bar at an A average in college: very few students would be proficient.
IF they had set the bar at a B average in college: almost everyone would be considered proficient.
What that tells me is that high schools are preparing a majority of their students for success in college, so long as success is based on the ability to pass classes and earn a degree.
What this also tells me is that the people who set these cut offs for the scores choose them in a clandestine and rarely explained manner. I only know this because I was lucky enough to go to the 'Scores on Ice' presentations in the spring of 2012.
everything above this line is true and shouldn't be disputed...
Now for the 'crazy' part: I think colleges want students to need 'remedial' classes so as to both booster their funds through non credit courses as well as state plainly that 'college is where the real learning is'.
On one hand schools are not serving everyone out there, on the other hand, in spite of our innefficiencies we are educating quality, concerned, intelligent, citizens...
jdon
Wasn't someone on the board just talking about how meaningless the Wonderlic is and how nobody ever pays it any heed... unless someone scores badly, and then it's suddenly huge news?
Case in point.
In all honesty a 9 is higher than I was expecting for him.
This is a Posbang?
Great for Carlos! That is a record high for an O$U player in the draft... right?
I'm not saying the Wonderlic is a great overall judge of intelligence, especially considering most of the guys taking it are months away from significant pay days regardless of score on the test. However, there is a trend of Ohio players that think its ok to throw their own program under the bus academically, and that in and of itself seems to lend itself to be a systematic problem. If you're consistently recruiting guys that do not have the common sense to represent the school well that's paying for their schooling, something is wrong. Yes, I understand Tate did the same thing, but he seemed to be more of a spoiled kid that finally didn't get what he wanted than someone that wasn't intelligent. You can look at years of Ohio players that truly believed they were just there to play football as a means to a greater end and for most of them that wasn't coming in terms of being a big success in the NFL. We do not see these kids academic credentials but you really have to wonder what the standard is for Ohio to recruit someone when they can't give an interview without throwing their own school under the bus. It certainly lends itself to the belief that Ohio wants to win at all costs, regardless of academic standard. Michigan has a great academic reputation / standard regardless of sport.
begining Tuesday all accross the state our juniors will be taking the ACT, workkeys, and Michigan Merit Exam.
And you know what we will learn? Who's parents make more money.
wonderful,
jdon
ps. or the amount of LEAD exposure in our homes...
Any idea what the going rate for an ACT 30 is?
I had the privelige a few year back of watching an hour presentation on the x, y graph with x being the average income of the students at a school and y being the average ACT score. it was a pretty straight upward slant...
now, individually that doesn't mean anything as kids can, and do, both overachieve and underachieve...
but, when you look at schools and their tests scores you are really just lloking at a graph of the median family income.
jdon
but lets not leave out the role of graft in all of this...
I mean more money is spent per pupil in Detroit than most school districts. And yet so little actually ends up in the students favor...
$ can't replace replace a family value on education. And that reliance on education as a way to make it tends to wane as the family income lowers.
Plain and simple: our public school system is a sham and the answers aren't more dollars, or more test; the answer is honest psychiatric analysis of student performance coupled with caring teachers using multiple intelligences, repetition, and scaffolding tuned into individual students...
actually, if we could just get class size down around 10-15 students per class I think we would see all the change in effectiveness that is neccessary.
jdon
No?
Oh.
illiteracy is REALLY quite hilarious
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The test is 50 multiple choice questions so don't you pretty much get a 10 if you put your name on it and answer randomly?
Yea, I can't believe the the Ohio school system didn't do a better job of educating Carlos Hyde for all of those years leading up to college. If only there was a way for the Ohio school system to better teach those kids in high school in Florida...
He spent his last 3 years of high school in Florida.
2nd of all, your statement is beyond ridiculous to take down an entire STATE's school system based off of one great football player who was told how great he was and rubberstamped in. I'm a product of the Ohio school system which led to an acceptance letter from every college I applied to, and a degree from the university that I chose.
Third, he did not get admitted to Ohio State out of high school, he had to go to prep school to become eligible.
"the Ohio school system delivered him to campus uneducated"
He did not graduate from an Ohio school, and the school he did graduate from did not deliver him to campus, it delivered him to a prep school.
I despise these releases. The Wonderlic isn't a literacy test, and it isn't proof of overall intelligence. It's a test designed to, I don't know, embarrass college kids and make a bunch of guys who write about sports feel smarter than them.
It is no more an indictment of the education provided by a school as is the body mass index of students from a particular college reflective of the food quality. Just a bunch of BS that is stupid and offensive.
I view the Wonderlic as just another thing that these kids can train for before entering the NFL draft. A higher score can be just as much of a sign of due diligence and preparation as it is of raw intelligence and working memory.
If we choose not to immediately view a low score as an indictment of a player's mental ability, then we can likely point to them just not giving a shit about a portion of the draft process.
That said, these scores should never become public.
However, as a person who holds a degree from Ohio State, I can say that the football team does not represent the university as a whole. You know, like EVERY OTHER SCHOOL IN THE COUNTRY.
Furthermore, Hyde did not qualify for OSU out of high school, which coming from that football program is an accomplishment by itself. He started out at a CC, then was rubberstamped in if I remember correctly.
I didn't realize the Electrifying Mojo was doing educational documentaries. Learnin disabled does not equal stupid.. A six is unacceptable, if a ten is literate, for a college student or a third grader even if they are certified LD.