I'm confident the staff will handle things well when they talk at noon. If they're going to take 2 in the class, which apparently they probably won't, the door should still be open with Cornwell.
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Mixed feelings from David Cornwell (2014 QB)
February 6th, 2013 at 12:35 PM
#302
I'm confident the staff will
February 6th, 2013 at 1:49 PM
#303
Cornwell is the elite one
Cornwell is the elite one
February 6th, 2013 at 12:36 PM
#304
Huh. A teenager is being
Huh. A teenager is being stupidly touchy. Go figure.
February 6th, 2013 at 12:39 PM
#305
Touchy?
What about his tweets were stupidly touchy? Disappointed, sure. Congratulatory to Wilton, yes.
Amadeo De La Valle (Hoops Recruit) borderlined on stupidly touchy, but I wouldn't even describe his reaction like that either. More just hilarious.
February 6th, 2013 at 12:44 PM
#306
The implication that Michigan
The implication that Michigan did something "without telling [him]"...when he has a schedule conversation with them in an hour.
February 6th, 2013 at 12:54 PM
#307
Well, I think the implication
Well, I think the implication was that he may have committed, or at least would have liked to talk it over. It's a bit late for that now. I don't think you get the context.
February 6th, 2013 at 12:57 PM
#308
They had a covnersation with
They had a covnersation with Speight this morning, they offered. He accepted.
They have a conversation scheduled with Cornwell later today. It seems like everyone, including Cornwell, is assuming what they will say. I'm not.
February 6th, 2013 at 12:59 PM
#309
Hoke rules on recruiting...
So if a kid gives Brady Hoke his verbal commitment for a certain position, and then without telling him, Hoke goes and visits other schools to talk with recruits, does that end the commitment?
February 6th, 2013 at 1:01 PM
#310
A kid can only go to one
A kid can only go to one school. A school cannot only take 1 kid. See the difference?
February 6th, 2013 at 12:39 PM
#313
Understandable
It's nice he included that third tweet, seems like a good kid with strong interest in Michigan. I hope we continue to pursue him
February 6th, 2013 at 12:47 PM
#314
I agree, it's nice that he
I agree, it's nice that he congratulated Speight.
February 6th, 2013 at 12:44 PM
#315
Your post seems more stupidly
Your post seems more stupidly touchy than Cornwell's.
February 6th, 2013 at 12:50 PM
#316
:(
:(
I think it's a bit whiny for a kid to complain that he didn't get communicated with when he has a scheduled conversation with the people he accuses for the lack of communication. Especially when the lack of communication comes on a relatively busy day.
February 6th, 2013 at 12:55 PM
#317
Yeah...but he's a high school
Yeah...but he's a high school junior who was (perhaps) thinking he might get his dream school offer today, and he presumably found out through the media that some other kid already got offered and likely took his spot.
If he responds with "Tough deal I thought they would at least tell me," I don't see how that's stupidly touchy. He's a teenager. He's not a 45-year-old CEO who's well versed in public relations.
February 6th, 2013 at 1:00 PM
#318
He's a teenager. He's not a
He's a teenager. He's not a 45-year-old CEO who's well versed in public relations.
Didn't I say this?
Further - do you, Cornwell, or anyone know, factually, how many QB's the team intends to take?
February 6th, 2013 at 1:01 PM
#319
No, you didn't. Or if you
No, you didn't. Or if you did, I don't see it.
And no, I don't know, which is why I said "likely." It's admitted to be a presumption.
February 6th, 2013 at 1:09 PM
#320
It was my whole fucking
It was my whole fucking comment, you twit:
A teenager is being stupidly touchy. Go figure.
IE - I don't expect more - he is a teenager, and acting as such.
February 6th, 2013 at 1:17 PM
#321
Maybe you should take the
Maybe you should take the rest of the day off there slugger.
February 6th, 2013 at 1:17 PM
#322
And yet he's still not being
And yet he's still not being stupidly touchy.
I hope you enjoy calling people names. Speaking of touchy...
February 6th, 2013 at 2:00 PM
#323
Wait, who's acting like a
Wait, who's acting like a teenager here?
February 6th, 2013 at 3:20 PM
#324
Except nothing in your
Except nothing in your comment showed that distinction, except, apparently a sarcastic comment about him being a touchy teenager.
It would be equivalent to me saying that chitownblue2 is an anonymous poster trolling hard because he is a sad little person. I did note factually that you are an anonymous poster. Words vs. meaning thing.
February 6th, 2013 at 7:22 PM
#325
not trying to defend any man's comments
But Chitown has been part of mgoblog as long as I can remember. He is no troll. Very opinionated, as you all can tell. But a good guy. Just saying. Anyway will not say anything else.
February 6th, 2013 at 10:47 PM
#326
Yeah
I remember several years ago he took over this blog for a week while Brian was on vacation!
February 6th, 2013 at 12:36 PM
#327
I don't think the coach's
I don't think the coach's made a hasty decision. Based on the info we've been given, they took their time and did an exhaustive examination of each potential offeree. Apparently they though Speight was more worthy of the initial offer. (That, or they felt they could lock up a commitment from him faster than Cornwell).
February 6th, 2013 at 12:37 PM
#328
Must be tough for him
Not getting the news you wanted isn't easy, especially when it's about something like this.
February 6th, 2013 at 12:37 PM
#329
Reasonable
Reasonable emotions to have. Maybe he wasn't the #1 option though, in which case can you expect Michigan to call every QB on their list to give them the news? He'll talk it over with the coaches and either continue his recruitment with Michigan and exploring his other options. Ultimately there are a limited number of spots and Michigan knew they were in a power position with recruiting QBs, can't blame them for wanting to wrap it up early when multiple great QBs were interested.
February 6th, 2013 at 12:46 PM
#330
There were supposedly only
There were supposedly only three guys on Michigan's top list, so it wouldn't be that hard to call all of them. Not saying they should have, just that it's not many phone calls.
February 6th, 2013 at 12:57 PM
#331
No foul here. Pretty sure Mr. Cornwell will feel better in a
minute or two. I don't blame Cornwell for being dissappointed, and his tweets were certainly not offensive or over the top, but today must be an incredibly busy time attending to new and prospective recruits, let alone having to deal with kids who aren't going to be part of the program.
February 6th, 2013 at 1:10 PM
#332
THEY ARE CALLING HIM.
HE SAYS
THEY ARE CALLING HIM.
HE SAYS SO IN HIS TWEET.
AAAAHHHHHH
February 6th, 2013 at 1:19 PM
#333
Actually, it says he's
Actually, it says he's calling them.
February 6th, 2013 at 12:39 PM
#334
Cornwelll knew the deal, and
Cornwelll knew the deal, and acted accordingly... now he shouldn't pout when he didn't get his cake AND eat it too.
February 6th, 2013 at 12:45 PM
#335
What the hell are you talking
What the hell are you talking about?
February 6th, 2013 at 12:46 PM
#336
That he knew a Michigan offer
That he knew a Michigan offer in this case, would be only one that needs to be accepted on the spot... he wanted his offer but without any committment... THAT is what I'm talking about... was it that hard to understand?
February 6th, 2013 at 12:47 PM
#337
Well, the coaches had backed
Well, the coaches had backed off the "You'll need to accept on the spot" deal. So your post isn't really relevant to the situation.
February 6th, 2013 at 12:48 PM
#338
I stand corrected, and was
I stand corrected, and was not aware of that.
February 6th, 2013 at 12:53 PM
#339
Fair summation
I am not sure that Cornwell is pouting or unjustifiably wanted a little time to consider UM rather than immediate YES.
But to your point, it sounds like the staff rated "interest" as perhaps more important (at least a tie-breaker) than talent in their choice. Passionate buy-in is a critical trait in a team leader.
Actually think the staff, Wilton and Cornwell are handling it fine.
February 6th, 2013 at 2:24 PM
#340
Not sure why the assclowns
Not sure why the assclowns thought your post was trolling. So far it seems the most logical one of the thread....
February 6th, 2013 at 12:44 PM
#341
double post
double post
February 6th, 2013 at 12:47 PM
#342
Coaches may be a little busy
Coaches may be a little busy today
February 6th, 2013 at 12:51 PM
#343
Nah. They're just sitting in
Nah. They're just sitting in a room and staring at a fax machine.
February 6th, 2013 at 12:58 PM
#344
Eating doughnuts and drinking
Eating doughnuts and drinking coffee.
February 6th, 2013 at 1:37 PM
#345
You planning a Speight post
You planning a Speight post today, or taking some time after today? Also, I would assume no ranking based on Junior and soph film alone..?...
February 6th, 2013 at 12:56 PM
#346
I hope Michigan can still land Cornwell
I'm in the camp that would like to see them carry four QBs at all times, and Cornwell is very impressive to my untrained eye. FWIW, it seemed very legitimate to me to rate him as the No.1 guy whom we knew had interest in the Wolverines.
February 6th, 2013 at 2:59 PM
#347
We should have four QB's without Cornwell
At least in 2014 -- Gardner, Bellomy, Morris, and Speight. I suppose Gardner could leave early, or someone gets hurt, transfers, or whatever, but as it stands now, we would have four in 2014, and could look to the 2015 to replace Garder.
I do agree with you tho -- if there was attrition at the QB position between now and next NSD, I would likek to take two QB's next year. I do not like the lack of the depth at the position this year. Just ask Maryland how that can go.
February 6th, 2013 at 5:25 PM
#348
Not necessarily
You are counting on the fact that Devin gets his medical redshirt. If he doesn't then there are 3 QBs.
February 6th, 2013 at 1:00 PM
#349
Which one is rated higher?
Not that it matters
February 6th, 2013 at 1:07 PM
#350
I'll be honest - I don't know
I'll be honest - I don't know what the hell is going on here. Are they clearly only taking 1 QB in 2014?
February 6th, 2013 at 1:13 PM
#351
We don't know
People seemed to assume that, but it's not for sure.
February 6th, 2013 at 1:53 PM
#352
I've been hearing that a lot
I've been hearing that a lot too and I'm not sure I agree with that rumored philosophy. We are not 100% sure Gardner gets his medical redshirt, so if he leaves next year, that leaves Bellomy, Morris, Speight, and maybe a walk-on roster spot filler. Maybe it's just me but that's not a lot of eggs in the basket...
February 6th, 2013 at 1:08 PM
#353
Auto-correct
I like how Michigan was "defiantly towards the top." It must have come from his smartphone.
February 6th, 2013 at 1:15 PM
#354
I like it too
I want Michigan to be defiantly toward the top of any list.
February 6th, 2013 at 1:10 PM
#357
Magnus,
You had Speight 8th and Cornwell 1st, are you disappointed with the way this turned out?
February 6th, 2013 at 1:20 PM
#358
Well, I think one guy is
Well, I think one guy is better than the other guy. That's all. I don't know if "disappointed" is the right word.
February 6th, 2013 at 1:10 PM
#359
I have no problem with any of
I have no problem with any of those tweets and TBH I don't see how he's in the wrong expecting to hear this from the coaches rather than over social media. Interested to see what comes out of the noon call, and it may just be the coaches weren't sure if Speight would commit right away and were planning to offer all three.
February 6th, 2013 at 1:11 PM
#360
He says the coaches are
He says the coaches are calling him!
Did he want to know that Speight was getting the offer before Speight knew?
February 6th, 2013 at 1:19 PM
#361
Calm down, I'm just saying
Calm down, I'm just saying the kid has a right to be a little disappointed in how he heard. The coaches could have worked out different timing or asked Wilton to keep things to himself for a little bit, there were any number of things that could have been done. Not saying they're right or wrong, just saying if it was me I'd probably react the same way that Cornwell did and I think he's justified in feeling that way.
Now the call will probably put things right, but.......it could have been handled differently.
Once again, calm down.
February 6th, 2013 at 1:20 PM
#362
I totally get your point but
I totally get your point but why are you so annoyed by it? First, the kid is what, 16? Second, I think we all know that many (if not most) teenagers should not be using Twitter for these kinds of things.
February 6th, 2013 at 1:23 PM
#363
Which is precisely why I
Which is precisely why I said, in the very first post, that it was typical for a teenager.
February 6th, 2013 at 1:22 PM
#364
Possible conversation:
"Hey,
Possible conversation:
"Hey, David. This is Coach Hoke/Borges. We think you've got a lot of potential, but we've decided to offer another guy first. But we'll stay in touch."
February 6th, 2013 at 1:25 PM
#365
Absolutely.
Also possible
Absolutely.
Also possible conversation:
"Hi David, this is Coach Borges, we really like you and would like to offer you the opportunity to attend the University of Michigan."
also possible conversation:
"Hi David, this is Coach Borges, I really like Nachos, do you?"
also possible conversation:
"Hi David, this is Coach Borges, I think it's really creepy when recruiting bloggers take pictures off girls' facebook pages and post them as cheesecake on their blog."
also possible conversation:
"Hi David, thsi is coach Borges, what do you think of Django Unchained?"
My point?
We don't know. Neither, prior to the conversation, does David.
February 6th, 2013 at 1:35 PM
#366
Since you're choosing to be
Since you're choosing to be obtuse here, let me explain it more clearly:
The coaches could have called him prior to offering Speight WITHOUT telling them that Speight was getting the offer. That would be a way to let the other guys know they weren't getting offered right now, but not letting the cat out of the bag.
Also, you keep insisting that the coaches were going to call him to tell him in an hour or so, but all indications are that he was supposed to call them. He's having to go to them for info, not the other way around.
Again, I'm not saying they should have done this, but there are other ways to go about it to perhaps save some "hurt feelings" by finding out through the media. When you're one of three guys, it's not impossible to call the unlucky two.
February 6th, 2013 at 1:41 PM
#367
So you're placing meaning on
So you're placing meaning on who is actually pressing buttons at the begining of the phone call.
I guess we just disagree.
February 6th, 2013 at 1:53 PM
#368
I mean, if you're going to
I mean, if you're going to assume he's "stupidly touchy" from a fairly innocuous tweet, then you might as well get the facts right about who is calling whom.
February 7th, 2013 at 5:45 AM
#369
It's understandable the kid
It's understandable the kid was disappointed if they are only taking one QB, but this was national signing day , the staff had press conferences and obvisouly a new recruit givng them a verbal commit. I'm sure any phone calls that needed to be placed where made later in the day or today.
February 6th, 2013 at 1:53 PM
#370
Maybe they were going to
Maybe they were going to offer Cornwell today. I think they force ranked their top three and let Wilton know he was number 1 earlier in the week. They contacted him this morning to give him the first shot at commiting. If he decided to wait, then Cornell and maybe even O'Connor would have been offered during their scheduled phone calls with the staff.
If they only offered one guy today, what would happen if he decided to commit elsewhere? They would be at a disadvantage with the other QBs.
February 6th, 2013 at 2:35 PM
#371
"The coaches could have
"The coaches could have called him prior to offering Speight WITHOUT telling them that Speight was getting the offer."
Really? Why? Why would coaches tell their second or third choices they aren't getting an offer prior to making sure their first target is on board?
Dumbest thing I've seen on these boards today.
February 6th, 2013 at 3:13 PM
#372
Obtuse
Caught you, Magnus, you were watching Shawshank Redemption last night, too!
February 6th, 2013 at 1:36 PM
#373
Whoa. C'mon man.
Whoa. C'mon man.
February 6th, 2013 at 1:39 PM
#374
FWIW
I'm going to believe the part about the nachos until I'm shown otherwise.
February 6th, 2013 at 1:40 PM
#375
Clearly.
Clearly.
February 6th, 2013 at 1:48 PM
#376
According to at least 1
According to at least 1 person whose photo was used.
February 6th, 2013 at 1:54 PM
#377
Maybe someone emailed Magnus
Maybe someone emailed Magnus a photo that they took off Facebook.
February 6th, 2013 at 2:37 PM
#378
I kind of see your point about the girls,
and I wouldn't take someone's pic and re-use it myself. That said, don't put things on a public forum that you don't want others to access, or at least make your photos "friends only" or something.
On another note, have you seen some of the pictures out there? I'm betting most of these girls don't GAF if someone re-posts them or not. Seems as though they like the attention, and they're flaunting their stuff on purpose.
I don't feel that strongly about it either way, just a couple of observations.
February 6th, 2013 at 1:13 PM
#379
Ive been wondering if there
Ive been wondering if there might be some intangibles the coaches see in Speight that we don't know about. Hoke has said repeatedly that the QB has to be one of the leaders of the team. Not that Cornwell wouldn't be but the fact that Speight wants to get on board ASAP could say something about his commitment for Michigan. We've seen how contagious that can be in the 2013 class with Shane. Hopefully Speight is that charismatic sort as well since he's right in Hand's backyard. That said, I think if Cornwell decided he still wants to be part of the class they would take him despite what they may have said initially. The coaches love competition and it would be foolish to turn down 2 top flight guys like that when they're aren't as many glaring needs as in the last couple years.
February 6th, 2013 at 1:21 PM
#380
Next
You know its a good LOI day when we are talking/discussing/arguing about the "next" class.
February 6th, 2013 at 1:25 PM
#381
Saw it coming
When I saw yesterday that UM had a call to Speight set up in the morning and The other two QB's in the afternoon I knew that in case a kid jumped at his offer they wanted Spaight to be the first call.
February 6th, 2013 at 1:28 PM
#382
As another poster pointed out...
...if Helsinki visited him last week and saw him toss live, then that workout clearly must've dispelled any doubts about his arm strength for the coaches. Sounds like a kid with strong leadership potential as well, which fits with the profile Hoke and co. are clearly looking to recruit. What I love about this staff is the amount of homework they put in on recruiting. More than just film study and recruiting off the Rivals/Scout/ESPN 100 lists, they spend a lot of time developing the relationships that can indentify character issues. Sure Demar Dorsey looks like a recruiting coup on signing day, but what does that mean if he never plays for you? A lot of high school coaches have commented on the Michigan staff's due diligence, and the info our coaches get is not something we're privy too. And you can go back over star-recruiting day monster classes and find PLENTY that did not pan out--including the classes Meyer put together at Florida after Matteson left. I'll take our coaches opinion over Mangus' on this one.
February 6th, 2013 at 1:36 PM
#383
Re: Dorsey
....it means we got to say "NO FLY ZONE" for a month..ahh...those were the days.
February 6th, 2013 at 1:38 PM
#384
The city in Finland visited
The city in Finland visited him? that is awesome! just messing, I know you meant Hecklinski
February 6th, 2013 at 2:41 PM
#385
Yeah,
who is this "Matteson" guy, and why did he go to Helsinki?
February 6th, 2013 at 1:28 PM
#388
2014 class
Speight said that the class would likely be 16...do we really want 2 qbs?!
February 6th, 2013 at 1:28 PM
#389
I feel for the kid. I can't
I feel for the kid. I can't imagine the crushing disappointment something like this could bring. Yeah maybe he turned the opportunity to commit on the spot but even if we were his number one choice, that's still a very difficult decision to make so quickly.
Also where did we hear this commit on the spot stuff first? The strategy doesn't make a ton of sense if I'm to assume we may have passed on our number one kid to pressure another. Super high risk, something like that begs for a decommitment down the road. I think more likely Speight is the actual number one and showed some good stuff we haven't seen when he threw for the coaches, unless the coaches are massively paranoid about not landing anyone at all.
February 6th, 2013 at 1:37 PM
#390
To quote Brian: "i'll eat a
To quote Brian: "i'll eat a lemon" if the 2014 class is actually capped at 16. I think the general consensous is to expect low 20's
edit: this was supposed to be a reply to mills44 post above.
February 6th, 2013 at 7:04 PM
#391
Yep. Wasn't this years class
Yep. Wasn't this years class originally supposed to be 18-20?
And we ended up with 27 and could've taken 28.
February 6th, 2013 at 1:40 PM
#392
It is a risk but with such a
It is a risk but with such a small class I would take 1 QB. I would like a class like USC (MOAR 5 STARS) this year...except for the whole part about half of them NOT wanting to be there after they initially committed.
February 6th, 2013 at 1:53 PM
#393
Just because a guy doesn't
Just because a guy doesn't commit on the spot doesn't mean we will get zero QBs.
February 6th, 2013 at 1:46 PM
#394
Cornwell: More than likely
Cornwell: More than likely the coaches at Michigan are going to offer me, but I'm not going to commit.
Speight: Even if I don't get the offer, I'm true blue and would love to run the Michigan offense someday.
If their abilities are even close to comparable, I like the call to snag Sp8.
February 6th, 2013 at 1:59 PM
#395
I didn't see anything wrong with the comments
Makes me like Cornwell even more. He can be disappointed, yet classy. I'll take them both if we can.
In the age of Twitter, THIS is what we're debating? This could've been WAY worse. Glad David didn't make an ass of himself.
February 6th, 2013 at 2:01 PM
#396
Shoot...
...yes, I did mean Hecklinski and not the capital of Finland. Also: coaches' not coaches.
February 6th, 2013 at 2:14 PM
#397
Wouldn't that be something if
Wouldn't that be something if Michigan winds up getting Cornwell and Wilt the Stilt?
February 6th, 2013 at 2:21 PM
#398
Take both, please
I sure hope that Cornwell is still interested, and that we give scholarships to both. QB is such an important position, and the bust rate is high enough, that I would rather have an extra QB on scholarship than an extra WR or LB.
February 6th, 2013 at 2:43 PM
#399
More importantly...
Who called whom?
February 6th, 2013 at 2:38 PM
#400
I don't know how to block quote a twitter thing...
...but his other line about how this has made him realize that he should commit if he loves a school and coach sure makes it seem like he'd commit to Michigan right now if he got the chance - or at least that he wishes he'd told them that he'd commit on the spot if offered.
February 6th, 2013 at 2:46 PM
#401
Yes, thanks!
I do not understand the block quotes or the Twitters or the kids today with their rap music...
February 6th, 2013 at 7:23 PM
#402
Well now I like Cornwell even
Well now I like Cornwell even more. Hope we can find a way to take him too.
February 6th, 2013 at 2:46 PM
#403
Sounds like EiD is a perfect candidate for help from...
February 6th, 2013 at 3:57 PM
#404
I repeat...
Sign this kid up. He's got a good head on his shoulders, he clearly can play. Bring him in.
Sounds like he may have been the coaches 1a. but he wasn't ready to commit, they went with 1b. and he jumped at the opportunity. Now 1a is wish he'd done the same.
With that said, I would agree with the poster above. If I read between the lines, and they're evry blurry...it almost sounds like he was made aware of DG's situation and if it doesn't pan out for DG and Michigan, he's the one they want.
February 6th, 2013 at 5:01 PM
#405
Seems straightforward ...
Michigan wanted an early QB committment. Sensed Dave would not budge early. Find another top QB. Done.
February 6th, 2013 at 11:18 PM
#406
I'm sure Al
I'm sure Al has evaluated the top 3 QBs and may have felt Speight fit his offense better or was close enough to Cornwell? He probably wanted one of his top two QB committed. I would like to take Cornwell but the only way I think that will possible is if DG doesn't get his injury RS. It will be summer by the time the coaches know but I think they could flip Cornwell if he made a verbal to another team and DG doesn't get his RS.
