Mitch McGary, GRIII stats/scouting report
Posted this in the thread below, but wanted to start some discussion so here's my take on Mitch Mcgary and GRIII who both played in the All American Championship game today.
Glenn Robinson III #13 North: Stats
6-7 fg, 16 pts
4 boards
1 off board
1 assist
1 block
4-10 ft
2 steals
Scouting Report: Won player of the game. He's a freakish athlete who really showed his stuff today. Extremely versatile, and is built in the same mold as Tim Hardaway Jr., except of GRIII's 6 field goals, 5 of them were dunks, and another was a layup in the post. He needs to work on his free throw shot (finished 4-10 with a couple of key missed ones towards the end) but otherwise should be an extremely good bench player pushing for starters minutes in Beleins guard oriented offense.
Mcgary (by my count):
3-7 fg, 7pts
1-1 ft
1 off board
6 boards
2 assist
2 steals
1 TO
1 block
Scouting Report: McGary is a solid solid player. He's not perfect in any part of his game, but he'll bring a developed rebounding presence, and he's a hustle machine (think Novak on steroids). His size will definitely be welcome in Michigans poor post presence, and while he may be limited offensively, keep in mind he's playing in this game against the headliners of the strongest big man class in recent history. He's a legit 6'10 body, with good width, and I can't wait to see him in Beleins system.
awesome! thanks for the update!
Gr3
MM/Morgan/Horford
THJ
Stauskus
Trey/PG TBNL
anyone wonder about the attrition need only realize how good the incoming class is.
Not really going out on a limb by naming all of the big men we have to be potential starters.
Do yes I am.
weightroom and then you will see more of the offensive ability everyone saw last summer.
I'd be very surprised if GRIII doesn't open as a starter, or, at minimum, enter the starting lineup very early on. I think the FT misses were pretty uncharacteristic for him, btw.
Yeah but he missed a pair in his state championship game which also cost his team the victory. I don't think he's very good in crunch situations, but hopefully that matures along with the rest of his game.
He's still one hell of an athlete.
I didn't realize he missed back to back in his state championship game. I hope that if this is something in his head, someone can get it out of his head...
I thought you were saying his FT shooting overall - I think his FT%'s tend to be in the very good range of good-very good-excellent.
But yes, end of game FT shooting is a different animal. Trey Burke (even though he missed the odd end of game shot here and there - which I'm going to chalk up to exhaustion) needs to give cold-blooded lessons to a number of the guys.
The kid misses a couple freebies in the biggest game of his career and shoots poorly in the HS equivalent of the nba all star game and "he's not good in crunch situations"? Nothing like damning statements based off very little. Your real name wouldn't happen to be skip bayless or Jim Rome would it?
a judgment of the two biggest games he's ever played in is no good? That's all we have to go on right now! Just something to keep an eye on, not that he's forever cursed to be a bad clutch player.
The fact that that's all we have to go on might be reason not to pass judgment at all.
I wish I could give you +10. These guys act like they have watched every game of these guys careers. Stop pretending to be critics based on the 1 or 2 games you have seen.
It's better than you claiming they are wrong based off the zero games you have watched. Provide supporting evidence or don't flame posters who are critical just because they provide critical analysis. They are still fans just providing their thoughts.
If you're going to be so confidently combative, how do you know what the previous poster has seen?
but end of game FT shooting is a habit.
Now, the easiest way to eliminate uncertainty is to shoot thousands of FTs in the gym to turn the thing into a layup.
Let's just call it part of GRIII's process of growing into being "the man."
Yeesh. All I saying is that both times I've seen him have the opportunity to make clutch free throws, he's missed them. Based off this small sample size I made an educated guess. I'm not damning this kids ability, I'm making an observation. People on here really don't like listening to negative analysis.
Needs to work on his free throws as a general statement is fair. Saying he isn't good in the clutch is a reach. Negative analysis is welcomed...hyperbole isn't. And the game today was not a big game for him. Great showcase and all but like I said its a freakin allstar exhibition. I'm sure his defense sucked too...like everyone else. Is he a loafer now too?
It is only a reach if you know something that supports it being a reach. The poster (even if he may be wrong) referenced what his argument was based on. You, in the face of that, seem more irrational. You call his analysis hyperbole, I'd be curious to hear an ntelligent argument why the original poster is wrong.
Regardless of whether you've watched 1 million games or zero. Saying "I don't think he's very good in clutch situations," based on 4 free throw attempts is a reach. You only need a basic understanding of statistics to know that. KayKay has admitted to being in high school and I'm guessing you're in his home room or something.
(DEAR MGOBLOG - PLEASE DON'T START THE DEBATE OF WHETHER OR NOT "CLUTCH" EXISTS AGAIN)
Well until you provide analysis that contradicts what this poster said I would refr ain from the internet tough guy stuff. As far as I can tell the posters analysis was based on more film of GR III than you have seen, so even if it is two games worth you have no place to flame him for his opinion. Just my thoughts.
He read an article that said GRIII missed those free throws and watched a HS all star game where he was named player of the game despite missing a few free throws. If thats enough film to make sweeping statements like he did I must be missing something. But either way, my "tough guy" routine is reserved for calling out unfair comments based on weak analysis...sorry to offend.
Until YOU watch him play he can make those statements. This blog is great don't get me wrong the only problem is people like you will neg any sort of critical analysis. I would absolutely love if every one of our players was perfect in every facet of the game like you act. However, some might have a deficiency or two.
My god...I'm not negging anyone. I'm also not "making claims". GRIII may very well be the biggest turtle in clutch situations in the history of basketball....my point is there is absolutely no way to tell that from the evidence that KayKay used. Take a read through the other posts in response. It's the smallest sample size on earth and the criticism isn't focused on some awkward shooting motion or his strength, it's an indictment of the kids guts or testicular fortitude (if that's even a real thing) which is a bit deeper than you avg. scouting report.
And give me a break with the film watching...watching a HS allstar game on ESPNU doesn't constitute a detailed film session.
Kind of starting to think GRIII is the gem of this class... MM just never wows me. He is big and can run the floor, but nothing really screams "top 3 national player" besides maybe his potential? Don't get me wrong, it's great that we secured a great class, but I am kind of thinking MM might be a bit overrated.
Nobody is saying he is the number 2 prospect anymore but he is still consensus top 30 or 40.
He can be a very good big man for us and it would be awesome if he stays or two plus years. It is also pretty cool that he is not a true freshman in actuality. He's already been around the block.
These next two classes are real awesome and should be fun to watch and to root for.
Brewster is loaded and they never ran an offense looking to get Mitch the ball. His team was a bunch of D1 players mixed together playing street ball. During the summer when he played with his AAU team he dominated and GR3 was on that team.
I'm not saying GR3 won't turn out to be the gem of the class, but Mitch can flat out play.
McGary earned his ranking in AAU and on the summer camp circuit, where numerous impartial observers thought he was pretty special. Let's not forget this was a kid that had offers from Duke, North Carolina, Kentucky, Florida, etc. His prep school team was full of D1 players, which made it difficult for Mitch to get the ball. Their offense rarely saw more than 2 passes on a posession and rarely went inside.
I think our starting lineup is as so...
C-McGary
PF-Morgan
SF/SG-GR3
SG-Hardaway Jr.
PG-Burke
I do think Burke comes back. I also agree with His Dudeness that MM may be slightly overrated, but he is exactly what this team needs: a tough and physical force in the paint who can secure those rb and get easy baskets or pass back out to one of our shooters. I love Morgan, and his D and solid play deserves to be on the court. The problem with this lineup may be the lack of a third three point shooter that JB loves to have, but on the bench you will have 2 (Stauskus and Vogrich) that can allow for points and range off of the bench. Plus, with Horford and Bielfeldt, we have at least one solid body for the 4 and 5 off of the bench. This is my opinion of the lineup for next year.
Morgan won't play a minute at PF. Doesn't shoot or move well enough to play the 4 in Beilein's offense. Much more likely to see McGary at the 4 and Morgan at the 5. Lets not forget about Horford coming back either (who started the season starting over Morgan).
I agree that Morgan doesn't shoot well enough, but he has also shown that he can excel as a pick and roll player, which the PF role allows one to succeed at. It also seems that with the loss of Smotrycz, we really lack perimeter shooting with our big men (maybe the exception being JB), but that doesn't mean Coach B won't adapt to his talent on the roster. I also don't see how Horford starts over Morgan, as Morgan was a player who did all the little things well and showed that he could get better over a season. He adds grit and interior toughness on the Defensive end. JMO
that is why you will see Stauskas starting at the 2, THJ stays at the 3, MM at 4 and Morgan at the 5. Robinson, Vogrich, Horford & Bielfeldt off the bench.
But people need to stop predicting lineups that don't fit Beilein's offense, which he's been running for decades. It's two guards, two wings, and a big. MM and Morgan are bigs, so replace one of them with a guard, and it makes sense. Unfortunately, we don't have many options at guard, but unless Beilein changes his offense which is possible, that's what we will see.
I'm in agreement that Morgan won't likely see any time at the 4. However, I do think it's fun to speculate whether Beilein will modify his strategy when facing 'big' teams now that we will have enough guys to match up. Bielfeldt did have this say in an article from February: "I’m playing the five a little bit. I think I can play the four in the future. Next year, coach might throw in a two-post offense.’’ I think he was likely just speculating, but maybe he knows something? Dunno. Either way, I like how the debate is about how we're going to get the most from our talent rather than plugging gaping holes in the line up.
Morgan a 5 all the way. I like Morgan. But unfortunately I think Horford beats out Morgan next season for the 5. He's more athletic. Bigger. And has better post D. His offense skill-set is unknown to me (some HS film/last year seaon) but from the "little" playing time I've seen, I think he may put up better scoring averages as well.
1. Burke (Stauskas/Akunne/*Vogrich*)
2. Stauskas (Hardaway Jr/*Vogrich*)
3. Hardaway Jr. (GR III/Stauskas)
4. GR III (Beifeldt/McGary)
5. Hordford/McGary (Split) - (Morgan, McLiman)
as long as he puts in the necessary work.
It may be in his second year, and not his first, but I think you're going to see McGary turn out to be markedly more than solid.
I think he's a kid that likes to goof around, and that's great, but he's going to have to maintain his focus while a lot of new stuff gets thrown at him all at once. If he maintains that focus, though, I think the ceiling is higher than what some people have started to think.
I watched the first half of that game with McGary this afternoon. He had some nice passes, but mostly appeared slow and there was even a point where he was under the rim wide open and couldn't get high enough to dunk.
I realize it's overreacting to take too much from this, but from what I've seen of two different games on ESPN I dont get why he's such a huge prospect. Hopefully I just caught the worst of him and the best is yet to come.
That Nerlens Noel guy is amazing though. He's going to be a stud wherever he goes.
And lose 10 pounds or so. Not a very explosive leaper
I think if he was the same weight last summer, then he's lost some muscle and put on a little bad weight. He looks a little off from the guy who shattered the backboard at Venice Beach.
He just needs to refocus a little in the gym and in the weight room - he does that, he's going to be a beast.
Next year is going to be huge for the program. From a leadership perspective the loss of Stu and Zack is going to hurt but as a team the improvement in athleticism is going to be phenomenal. This is going to be the first time Beilein will have a team that has equal athleticism to most teams they'll play next year and with his coaching something special may happen next year. All of this depends on Burke staying of course.
I said this in the other thread but is MM really 6'11"? He looks more like 6'8" to me.
That may be more accurate than 6'11", but with his frame, that is a big dude.
That's like Hulk Hogan, the Ultimate Warrior, and Randy the Macho Man Savage all rolled up into one man.
Be careful with such reckless hyperbole.
Everyone needs to relax about Mcgary. His HS team was an all star team that looks like an And 1 mixed tape. These teams are dominated by guard play where big men rarely touch the ball. Same thing with these all star games. It's run and gun guard play. He might not be Nerlens Noel(sp?) type athlete, but is very skilled and relentless energy player. Much rather have this out of a bi man than raw talent and an attitude. GR3 is a beat and only getting better. I see both of these kids starting next year. Too good to keep off the floor.
I like MM a lot, but I've set my expectations lower for next year. In my opinion, he's a slightly taller and slightly more athletic version of Jordan Morgan. He's good near the hoop, he hustles, he rebounds, and he plays solid defense. But he doesn't have a real offensive game at this point. As a result, I don't think he's a Power Forward in this system as a freshman. I think he's purely a center.
Meanwhile, I think GR3 is our starting power forward next year. He may not have the shot of Smotrycz, but he makes up for it with athleticism. I think he'll be at the receiving end of plenty of alley-oops from Burke (PLEASE STAY!).
So I see the rotation as follows:
PG - Burke
SG - Stauskas
SF - Hardaway
PF - GR3
C - Morgan
6 - Vogrich (SG/SF)
7 - McGary (C)
8 - Horford (PF/C)
9 - Bielfeldt (PF)
10 - Akunne (PG)
Jordan Morgan. He's 100x better than Morgan. McGary can step out and shoot jumper unlike Morgan who can't shoot beyond 6 feet. Morgan is very, very limited offensively which is why you have to give a lot of credit to JB for adjusting his offense to fit Morgan's strength. McGary is a superior player offensively because of his ability to run, make jumpers and actually can post up. McGary that most people saw in AAU is the real McGary that so many schools went after. There is a reason why Duke, UNC, Kansas, etc. went after him.
Kinda off topic, but my friend is an assistant coach at Milton High in Atlanta (they had a few players represented in the game)
One of his players Shaq Johnson was in the dunk contest earlier (he should have won, but failed to make a dunk in the last round) and jumped over two dudes for one of his dunks, one of the people being Draymond Green.
He brushed his junk over the back of Draymond's head on the dunk. It was awesome.
Basically, Draymond Green got teabagged on national tv.