dothepose

September 20th, 2011 at 8:22 PM ^

Wow, Jim Delaney really screwed the pooch on this one. Why is the Big Ten always a decade behind eveyrone? The Big Ten will get weaker now when the other superconferences are formed.

ESNY

September 20th, 2011 at 8:54 PM ^

Seriously? Quit with the ridiculous hysterics. What exactly does Missouri bring to the SEC? They are merely a body bag to get the conf to 14 teams. There is a reason despite their begging that we skipped them. No team that is currently moving conferences would be a net gain for the big ten. The B1G is in the strongest position so they don't have to make a move. The ACC is a weak conference with relatively crappy TV deal compared to the big ten and has zero national following/respect. They are barely ahead of the big east. Adding Syracuse and Pitt would have been a net negative in both revenue per school and balance.

bronxblue

September 21st, 2011 at 10:09 AM ^

I've never understood this argument.  The Big 10 has added two teams in my lifetime - Penn St. and Nebraska.  Between them, a claim to 7 national championships, countless conference championships, and some of the best winning percentages in CFB history.  That's how you keep the quality of the conference up - you only take the best.  The ACC decided it needed to add some teams for basketball (because football is definitely not in the driver's seat for that conference), so it pulled in Pitt and Syracuse.  That's great for them, but outside of Syracause in basketball and Lacrosse, neither is an "elite" program and, while decent academically, are not going to dramatically change the profile for the conference. 

And the SEC, in its infinite wisdom, decided it wanted to accept a mediocre Texas A&M and (potentially) Mizzou to fill out its roster, which I guess is good for them but seems like adding two meandering teams with little national cache.

I'm fine with the Big 1G only letting in the best.  ND probably won't go to the ACC because of the travel costs (and being a mediocre football conference doesn't help), and geographically only the Big 1G makes sense, so if they jump they'll go local.  At that point, the conference would probably pillage a Texas or (maybe) a mid-atlantic team like UVa or Maryland to fill it out.  But if not, I'm fine with the way the conference is laid out, and don't see the dramatic gains by the SEC or ACC from these moves.

pasadenablue

September 20th, 2011 at 8:22 PM ^

The B1G can afford to be picky. They have 4 of the blue bloods of college football, in Michigan, OSU, Penn State, and Nebraska. No conference with those teams can ever be shut out of the national picture. The B1G can then pick and choose whoever they want from the wreckage. If they don’t want to add anyone, they don’t have to. It doesn’t make sense for the B1G to expand just for the sake of expanding. They should only expand if the right suitor comes along.

Red is Blue

September 20th, 2011 at 8:31 PM ^

IF, and it is a big if, ND goes to the ACC and Mizzou to the SEC.  What happens if one of the other conferences picks off a "blue blood" B1G member.  For example, with ND in the ACC along with BC, Pitt and Syracuse, it might make sense for the ACC to try and pry PSU away.  It would then be a pretty good football conference (ND, PSU, FSU and Miami) and of course great a bball.  It doesn't seem out of the realm of possibility that this might be attractive to PSU.

The B1G would have to backfill with Kansas?

scooterf

September 20th, 2011 at 9:10 PM ^

Money is why it won't happen. Big10 rakes in money in a way the ACC can only dream of. Big10 has bigger stadiums, bigger TV audiences, bigger fanbases, you name it. That's why no one will be leaving anytime soon... And really, the history/rivalries is part of WHY the Big10 rakes in all that money.

Prime example: Michigan just sucked in a historically bad way the last 3 years, and yet they always managed to get on national TV 2-3 times a year.... Because even a crappy Michigan pulls in huge TV ratings. You sure don't see Connecticut or Cincinnati doing that. 

turtleboy

September 20th, 2011 at 9:57 PM ^

The only thing we were missing out on was a Conference Championship game and now we have that. More isn't always better, sometimes it's just more. Mizzou was technically in the realm of future possibility to fit in with the B1G but i'm certainly not going to start crapping myself if they aren't in my conference. These schools could just as easily leave the next conference they join as the last ones they all left. 

M2NASA

September 21st, 2011 at 11:21 AM ^

Maryland ain't walking through that door.

So they'd give up playing Duke and UNC in basketball, new games with teams in the same cultural and geographic area like UVa, VT, and now Pitt and SU, and even the NC teams that are just a few hours drive, for Penn State and a bunch of games and travel to Illinois, Iowa, Minnesota, Nebraska, and Michigan?

Not to mention a $20 million exit fee.

Yeah, that'll happen.

Hardware Sushi

September 20th, 2011 at 9:06 PM ^

Please...enough PSU to ACC talk. First of all, the ACC would have to convince ND to join before it would even make a sliver of sense for PSU to join.

Second, PSU as an institution fits the graduate and research goals of the Big Ten schools better than the ACC, which has more schools focused on undergraduate education or professional graduate schools like law/divinity/literature than they have schools like the Dukes, UMDs, and UNCs. It's not a bad conference, PSU just fits in the Big Ten better as a school. It's not about USNWR rankings to administration and faculty.

One more thought - students going to Penn State don't remember pre-PSU/Big Ten days. I don't remember them and I've been out of school for a while. Hell, they could play Pitt every year as is and won't do it - if playing Pitt in the ACC is a positive, why aren't people from Penn State pissed it isn't happening now?

There isn't this sentimental yearning to get back to their ACC 'roots' from this crowd, even if media types think a land-grant graduate research public school like PSU has more 'roots' in private schools like Syracuse, BC, Wake Forest, Duke and Miami or Southern schools like UNC, Virginia, Clemson, and FSU than they do in public flagship graduate research institutions OSU, MSU, Minnesota, Nebraska, Purdue....

Yostbound and Down

September 20th, 2011 at 8:25 PM ^

Geographically it kinda makes sense...

The Big Ten shouldn't expand. Pretty soon the Pac 16, ACC and SEC will only be able to play one or two games outside of their divisions. I'd rather see the B1G stay static so we can see opponents every couple of years at a max.

Brodie

September 20th, 2011 at 9:08 PM ^

You play every team in the league within two years with a nine game schedule

4 pods of 4 teams

you play the three teams in your division every year and two teams from the other 3 pods

therefore, in a hypothetical Pac-16 consisting of:

 

Pod A:

Texas

Texas Tech

Oklahoma

OSU

 

Pod B:

Colorado

Utah

Arizona

ASU

 

Pod C:

USC

UCLA

Cal

Stanford

 

Pod D:

Washington

WSU

Oregon

Oregon State

 

Texas plays OU, OSU and TTU ever year

In year one, they play USC, Cal, Arizona, Utah, Washington State and Oregon

In year two they play UCLA, Stanford, Colorado, Arizona State, Washington and Oregone State

 

the only question is how you determine a champion, but I'm sure they've worked that out without it having leaked

Zone Left

September 20th, 2011 at 8:27 PM ^

Does Missouri actually add anything to the SEC over the amount of money they'll take from their share of the revenues? I'd guess not.

I really think expansion just to expand doesn't really help a conference. If the Big 10 adds WVU or Rutgers, I think it's a net loss. If they add Texas (assuming they're willing to share), ND, or Oklahoma (assuming academics didn't really matter) then it's a huge win. I don't really understand how adding 4 teams to beef up to 16 helps anyone if they aren't the right teams. Adding one so-so team to get to 12 would have made sense for the Big 10 because they could add a title game. What does 14 or 16 get the SEC, Big 10, etc?

Yostbound and Down

September 20th, 2011 at 8:32 PM ^

Exactly. The only reason it works (ed) for the Big East in basketball is because all the teams play each other. There is a true conference champion. Unless you have a 4-round conference playoff in football I don't buy that any champion of a 16-team conference, there's no way to know who the best teams are.

Texas and Oklahoma, I think, would make the B1G even more unrecognizable. So would Syracuse and Rutgers or whoever. Pitt and ND make the most sense but that would suck. Please keep it where it is, Delaney!

joeyb

September 20th, 2011 at 9:10 PM ^

The NCAA just says that the two teams in the CG need to be the winners of divisions where each team in the division played each other. So, 2 pods would essentially combine to make a division, then they would rotate pods to make divisions the next year. What they could do is say that you play 1 team from each pod each year, so you would play the 3 in your pod, 4 in your paired pod, and 2 from the other two pods making 9 total games. 

Another option would be to have pods A and D play pods B and C. Then you could guarantee the best two teams play each other in the championship because if the two best teams are in pods A and B, then your divisions become A/C and B/D. However, this would require 11 games to make it work. This method works a lot better with 12 teams because it would only be 8 games.

Mr Miggle

September 20th, 2011 at 8:59 PM ^

Missouri by themselves is not attractive, but Mizzou + A&M is a net win for the SEC. The B1G would add a similar school to even out if they got ND, otherwise I don't see it happening.

If the SEC ever goes to 16 it will be by poaching teams from the ACC. That prospect may well have motivated the ACC to expand now..

baorao

September 20th, 2011 at 10:03 PM ^

I think expansion matters if you're talking about three or four superconferences establishing a new post season with automatic bids, bowl matchups and post season revenue. You don't want to be the conference that only gets one guaranteed slice of pie while everyone else gets two.

Six Zero

September 20th, 2011 at 8:29 PM ^

Then Miami of Ohio.

Oklahoma is an option, but a bit dark for Delany's taste.

Louisville is probably next on the list, perhaps Houston.

And all because Delany was told to keep the conference running in the red.

FreddieMercuryHayes

September 20th, 2011 at 8:34 PM ^

Damn you Texas.  I really, really hate you right now.  Couldn't you just not destroy the landscape of college football?  I hope nobody accepts you into a conference. 

Also, I still believe that the B1G won't expand unless it means that they feel it will be necessary to keep pace with BCS bids of the other conferences.