Minick gets probation
Not a great example for the players to follow, I hope he cleans up his act for good.
Hopefully none of the football players Minick his actions.
Very funny! And appropriate...
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Any more bad headlines ?
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At least he's not going to jail.
8 drinks? That's a lot of drinks.
Seriously. Pretty hard for him to preach to a kid about judgment after that. Sheesh.
Yeah... Getting that hammered when you aren't 21 is just sad.
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Who gets hammered off 8 drinks?
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Just about anyone who isn't still in college, or drinking Bud Lights.
But what if it's 8 drinks over the course of a week?
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maybe they were little mickeys?
Any non-alcoholic or person that weighs under 400 pounds.
Well, he blew a .185, which is pretty damn high. Maybe I'm just an old, broken man, but 8 non-crap beers would put me down.
Lol, I have 8 drinks for breakfast.......I might also be an alcoholic
I'd probably be in a coma or dead
Exactly. I'm the same age as Minick and I would be asleep before the 8th drink, never mind feeling I could get behind the wheel.
Amen, wouldnt wanna spill your drink.
Or maybe the same size, but likely an alcoholic.
Before everybody casts stones just remember this stat (not in anyway condoning his drinking and certainly not his awful decision to drive).
http://news.yahoo.com/alcohol-disorders-nearly-1-3-adults-problem-drink…
You make a good point but size/weight is only one factor in alcohol tolerance and as we get older it is not nearly the most important. The effects of aging itself make a huge impact on tolorance - less muscle mass, more fat, less water in the body, slower metabolism, etc. all mean BAC stays higher in us late middle aged men and usually results in getting really tired and really drunk much sooner than we used to.
I'm sure what you are saying is true for the "average" person, but alcoholics develop a certin tolerance that allows crazy things to happen. People have insane BACs if they have been drinking hard for a long period of time (I'm not saying that's the case here, as I know nothing about Minick).
True, "functional tolerance" could allow Minick to stay awake and drive at BAC levels that would put a typical person like him to sleep. I guess we'll find out if he's an alcoholic soon enough, he probably has to submit to random testing now per the terms of his probation.
To me, first offenses should always result in a temporary suspension of driving privileges, because that gets the message across really fast, losing that independence and flexibility. But I don't think any state does that on the first offense.
You guys agree that he was either drunk or an alcoholic.
I mean, probably if you drank them in a few hours, but over the course of a night it isn't really THAT many. If you're socializing, activities are going on mixed with cocaine and food; you could do it. I'm just saying, it's not impossible. That said, if I had 8 drinks right now, I'd probably pass out rather quickly. But there's nothing exciting going on in my apartment and as luck would have it, I just ran out of blow about a year and a half ago and I haven't gotten anymore yet :/
We need some good news today. Desperately. Today was supposed to be HUGE, remember?
Go ask Jay Harbaugh.
It really must have just been square pizza day at the cafeteria.
If this guy keeps his job, then this is huge news.
Well, he was reinstated earlier this month, as I recall, so at least to this point - save for being suspended from his duties during the investigation - he has kept it to this point. Actually, Harbaugh himself had this to say regarding the reinstatement. From a DetNews piece a few weeks ago -
"There's a plan in place, and he's following through with it, and I think it's going to have a positive outcome," Harbaugh said.
So, obviously keeping that position relies on sticking to whatever plan came out of his discipline, as it should given what happened. This is something that I assume would be a discussion between Minick, Harbaugh and Hackett. Whether or not these particular revelations change anything, we shall see.
From what I understand about the role of the DFO, the job involves assuring the team complies with various rules, bylaws, regulations, etc. that it must adhere to and monitoring student academic progress among other things. It's hard for me to imagine his words and actions will hold much sway after an incident like this just a few months into his tenure. He had a BAL over twice the legal limit. I wish him the best of luck dealing with his problem, I just don't think someone like that should be representing the team in a position that seems heavy on the integrity requirement. Just my opinion.
anything the "colonel" says regardless of perceived hypocracy by a player is also what Harbaugh wants or will allow them to do.
Apparently you don't think he should be the coach.
I wondered how long it would take you to get here with the same Texas Sharpshooter fallacy, but here you are cherry picking Jim Harbaugh's DUI as if it makes Minick's less volatile or somehow ok.
The point is if a DUI is such an awful, terrible thing that deserves instant dismissal from a job and ostracization from society then the same would hold true for Harbaugh.
It isn't "cherrypicking" to point out that the head coach was guilty of the same crime. It's only cherrypicking to prigs who get their jollies from broadcasting their moral superiority.
I didn't call for his instant dismissal, which would have been the day the Minick story broke. Now that the details are available, it's clear the man's integrity falls below the necessary mark for someone in his position. Aside from his responsibilities, he's a role model for the team. With all the players and former players who've made terrible choices over the last few years, good role models are sorely needed at Michigan. Anyone who chooses to get behind a wheel with a .186 BAL is a terrible role model.
I also did not call for Minick to be ostracized. Losing his job is a consequence of action. Many professionals lose their liscense for similar behavior. It's pretty common.
Regarding Jim Harbaugh's DUI, that was a decade ago, and people change. As far as I know, he hasn't received a DUI since. He's had time to show himself responsible. Minick has not had the time. Hypothetically, if Harbaugh was arrested tomorrow after driving his car into a ditch and endangering lives with a BAL of .186, I'd surely hope he would no longer be the coach at Michigan.
The point is that it still happened. Harbaugh still showed the poor judgment and character that you apparently demand from a former Marine, but not a football coach.
Minick was a Marine.I think that is a pretty good role model for young men. Are you saying that a single DUI erases two decades of serving one's country?
You are savaging Minick because you don't know him and his loss in your mind wouldn't impair UM at all. This moral stand of yours is very selective and not at all ethically consistant.
Time is a huge factor. People suffer the consequences of their behavior, change, and recover. Minick hasn't had much time to show a change in his terrible judgment while Harbaugh has had years. Being a marine is irrelevant, there are plenty of great ones and plenty of awful ones. I'm not saying his recent poor choice erases his military service, something that is also irrelevant to this conversation. He made a poor choice in the recent past and should be held accountable for it. End of story. This team doesn't need a someone who acted in such poor judgment as as one of its leaders.
Just to chime in--butt in, whatever--there are also varying degrees of severity here. All DUI is very serious, but being legally "super drunk" and lying about it are two additional points that weigh heavily towards more severe consequences. And you know what, it's possible Harbaugh should have been fired at the time. I don't know the details. But that doesn't mean he should be punished in perpetuity or retroactively.
I have a feeling after today we'll be taking a lot less stock in Jay's tweets however I'm fully prepared to eat my words.
Fret not. Huger headlines coming.
I wonder if he would like to go have a drink with me?
Stupid fuck. 8 goddamn drinks and then decides to get behind the wheel?
What a fucking idiot.
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Amen, and whoever's petty ass negged him needs to get their head on straight.
Because of the unnecessary swearing. It's possible to get your point across without sounding like a moron. Also:
Actually, I'm not. The guy is a fucking idiot.
He is a fucking idiot. Negging for swearing about someone who could easily have killed someone is petty and ridiculous
That one neg is ruining your day.
No... so sorry you're a miserable human being who is oblivious to the fact that someone else's stupid actions can get others killed.
Has a drunk driver taken a loved one of yours? Considering your condescending attitude, I would say no. It has happened to me and a lot of others...that's what I'm pissed about...not the childish upvoting and down voting that you seem to be concerned about... so neg away baby doll.
Was that we can do without the excessive amounts of swearing to get the point across that it was an incredibly stupid decision. The poster above made a reference about it, and I am a strong enough person to come forward and not be a coward. And I'm a miserable human being because of that? Get over yourself.
And to make you feel better, I lost my mother to a drunk driver. Have a nice day.