I found this on The Machine Shop facebook page and thought it was a pretty badass pic of him. I'm kicking myself for not going to that show. They really do put on a good show, despite all the constant reminding that they come from West Michigan.
Because they are horrible. Really, very terrible and horrible in every way.
Because musical taste is subjective and their music makes me want to cut off my ears.
Also the generic wannabe Nickelback bullshit doesn't help.
That is the beauty of music. Regardless, it's a sweet pic of him.
No. This is not ok. As the inventor of music, I can tell you that this is not what I had in mind. There are rules in music and you are not allowed to just ignore them when its convenient for you. We are a nation of laws.
also rules in spelling and grammar.
OP has a point, you know. "The players like it" is the catch-all excuse for wearing stupid uniforms, isn't it? Anyone who's ever said that, IME, now has no choice but to accept Pop Evil, too.
But is the music meant for the players or the crowd?
I could ask the same about the jerseys.
Why don't you whine about it a little more. I'm not sure we got the point the first time.
This jersey debate kills me. Never thought that something so superficial (color of facemasks or numbers on the helmet) could cause people to bicker so much about something that deserves your undying support. Whatever is good for the kids is good for me.
Some people act like snobby bitches on here. They throw stones and live in a glass house.
It's sad, some people care more about what the football team looks like than the school it represents.
"Why don't you whine about it some more?"
Oh wait....you mean that it's OK now to make a point more than once? Who'd've thought. Novel concept, really. Guess I'll drop the Mean Girls act.
I've never understood that argument.
For one, we have no idea what the players like. Do you really expect those guys to come out and say "Pop Evil sucks" or "I wish DB would stop messing with the best uniform in sports"?
Exactly. I can't believe, for example, that 100+ college guys are unanimous on everything, even things like numbers on the helmets, and it wouldn't even be remotely healthy for there to be a public disagreement about it.
Mike Martin destroys them in the next picture. You can tell by the looks on their faces they know it's coming.
Because they make terrible music?
I'm out of the running for the scholarship
Because they look like they belong in Bam Margera's entourage?
This reminds of an article I read where the drummer of The Black Keys was giving a half-hearted apology for ripping Nickleback. The comments devolved into BK vs. NB with NB supporters using record sales for their support. I found that logic akin to stating McD's is superior food based on volume sales.
I hate NB, but more people willing to put their money where their mouth is seems like a good indication of popularity.
Popular is not always superior. Hence, why I used 'superior' based on volume sales, not 'popular'
How do you determine superiority? Once again, I hate NB, but this is a snobs argument.
More people like option A, but they don't know that option A is inferior to option B. Therefore, the option B is superior to option A (bc I know better).
Beyond the fact that one of your premises states that the more popular option is inferior to the less popular option, that is not his argument. I can give you an equally shallow and inadequate argument for popularity. Option A wins more accolades and collaborates with more musically talented and successful individuals, but more people with little musical background like Option B more. More people liking your music makes you superior Therefore, Option B is superior. Equally lacking. If no one ever heard any of Mozart's symphonies, would NB be better musicians than he was? No.
He also does not indicate that he knows better. All he was stating is that popularity is not always indicative of superiority. Superiority comes from complexity, depth, substance, appreciative value (popularity to an extent), rarity, uniqueness, innovation, etc. Popularity is a facet of it but not indicative of superiority. Do most people really have a grasp or understanding of music to really appreciate what makes some music better than others? No, well not really. Most (myself included) cannot tell you why Beethoven and Mozart were geniuses and most would either say they suck, they do not like that type of music, or that they can appreciate their talent but just do no understand classical music. People just have different interests and some music resonates better with them. That being said NB and Evil Pop suck.
While I agree with what you are saying in general, your example makes the assumption that NB's music is more readily available than BK's, which isn't true.
Disagree in part. While you can certainly purchase both NB and BK on itunes etc. and listen to both on youtube try driving around most of America and listen to commercial radio, NB is played far more than BK. So while both are readily available, both are certainly not marketed equitable, not even close.
I know eventually it's about the fast money for the suits (we are capitalists after all), but in 50 years the art is what will hold value. BK will be listened to by future generations far more than NB.
Sometimes I am just fed up with the over marketization of crap to our kids instead of real music artists. We now equate popularity with superiority and this is a slippery slope.
Oes it get more radio play then more people buy it, or do more people buy it, so it gets more radio play?
And really, most of the songs we listen to from 50 years ago was pretty popular then, too. The amount of "Citizen Kane's" that bombed originally but became classics is rare in most genres. Maybe no where more rare than music.
I'm a blue hair and I really like them and the song. How many teams have their own pep song? Michigan has more songs than almost any university. Go to a glee club concert and get a small selection out of huge repertoire. Some may be outdated but they're representative of the time they're written. The reaction in alumni section didn't seem at all negative. Many I'm sure maybe indifferent.
Keep in mind that in the 60's the most popular local band was Bob Seger. For those who remember Shakey Jake, another local star at the time was Washboard WIllie and His Super Suds of Rhythm.
When I was in High School we used Seger's "Heavy Music" and "2+2" to pump ourselves up.
Has a great bass line. As a gray/ blue hair I love it. Anti- Vietnam song.
Ask yourself: In 20 years, will this still sound good?
What type of music can you really say that and still think it sounds good? Not much. I would only say that IMO (I am 28), Sinatra, some Elvis tunes, and some 80s rock still have an appeal to me. 80s hair metal, disco, early rap, and all country not done by Garth Brooks sounds like garbage to me.
They would have had to sound good in the first place in order to still sound good in 20 years....and they don't so the point is moot.
I like them. I am not 17 nor do I wear black eyeliner.
After the Thanksgiving game announcement something to the effect that while they should not be playing the game, there is nothing wrong with pop-rock music if you understand that it is what it is, and that NB aren't so bad at that. A bunch of people then demanded I get the ban hammer!
People get real offended, real quick when you speak against the mob on these music topics!
I did listen to it and the lyrics are what bother me the most.
"In the Big House, we'll put your lights out! Come on and shout out!"? Sorry, it sounds like a 5th grader wrote this.
That's right up there with the following sophisticated lyrics:
"Go right through for MSU,
Watch the points keep growing,
Spartan teams are bound to win,
They're fighting with a vim!
Rah! Rah! Rah!
See their team is weakening,
We're going to win this game,
Fight! Fight! Rah! Team, Fight!
Victory for MSU!"
I don't care what they look like or where they're from. The lyrics are juvenile and the music is warmed over metal.
I don't care what they look like. I don't like them because "In the Big House" is as embarrassing of a song for U of M fans as "We Are Notre Dame" is to ND.
Really, their problem is they come from West Michigan? That seems to be the least of the issues I have with them.
I wish I could vote this up more than once.
a cage match to give him the beat down he deserves for such bad taste.
/ Internet Tough Guy
The guy behind Martin looks like Kevin from The League.
the band itself or "in the big house" ............I don't listen to the band, "in the bighouse" I thought was good for converting a fight song into a rock theme that is still safe for little ears and the bluehairs.............. seriously what else are you going to do with it and keep it family friendly.....
All in all people take their music, I say that loosely, as personal as they do their sports teams, some even more personally. Heck scroll through each band or vocalists videos on youtube and you see nearly as many haters as there are fans posting back and forth...and no shot at anyone on this board but music fans are as bias as any without regard for true talent when it comes to musicians. I may not like many bands or artists per say but I do know who is talented and who is all show and little talent.....there is a major difference some understand nothing about music but know how to entertain, others are great musically but need tons of help to entertain...few are both....
I'm with you. I don't know if it'll be back next year or not but i liked it. I ESPECIALLY liked it when it was cranked up and played loudly over the screaming fans waving maize pom-poms immediately following the end of "UTL-11".
Anybody who was there and says they didnt get chills is either a liar, deaf or was passed out That song was MADE for that exact moment.
Definitely didn't get chills from hearing that song at the end of the game because I'm pretty sure I was yelling something along the lines, " NOOOOOOOOO DEAR GOD WHY". We already have a song made for that moment called "The Victors".
In terms of OP, good for Mike Martin, but it doesn't change my opinion on the song or band.
I'm sure you were yelling "NOOOOOOOO DEAR GOD WHY" after we just won one of the most exciting games ever...
While I won't ever buy a Pop Evil CD, I loved the song cranked up with the video on the big screens. It got me even more pumped for the game than I already was.
You can't stop being old. You only get older. You can, however, stop making ageist posts that claim that everyone older than you is "stupid" because they have different tastes that you do. Give that a try.
Yep, I missed the sarcasm there. If you say its there, I believe you and my bad.
is the main reason for keeping it. Better than AC/DC? NO!! Better than having AC/DC played at Michigan Stadium like it is practically everywhere else? No doubt!
And, no, I'm not suggesting any No Doubt songs get piped in during Michigan Football Saturdays...
Because I have what one would consider good taste in music. Mike can bench 500 pounds, I can't. We don't have to be the same. The kid likes a Horrible band. I can live with that and continue to support him as a hulk like, quarterback killing machine.
Having supposed good taste in music is totally subjective. I'm glad you think you have good taste in music, but who doesn't think they have good taste in music?
I'm pretty sure people who like Nickelback know that they have bad taste in music.
Aside from that, he's a young dude. People's musical taste change as they get older. I'm sure he will wise up since he's a bright young hulk.
with being from West Michigan??
then you can giiiiiit out!"
I'm not a fan of the group as it isn't my type of music. Yet, what is the alternative? Remember the point of this experiment was to fire the crowd up and for good reason. For too many years Michigan fans have made little noise and the Big House has been far from intimidating. This group was a move to break that tradition of silence and fire people up. So what alternatives do you all suggest? A return to tradition in this case is not the answer. In this area Michigan needs to progress, not regress.
responsible for the increased noise in the stadium. The new club seat structures, a reinvigorated fanbase fed up with losing, and some incredible players and performances are the cause.
They played next to Hineygate, in 2009, for Ohio vs USC. They're not real Michigan fans... they go where the $$ points them.
would you guys be happy and shut up about this finally?
I'm old (season tickets since '77 and same seats since '80), I like old music as long as it's good music, and from the little I've heard and the much I've read about Pop Evil, they probably do suck.
But that song? I love it! I hope it's played at The Big House for many more years, I know I get pumped up, and it looks like an overwhelming majority of the 112000+ fans each game get pumped up, too. Don't get me wrong, I would love it if they cut in half the amount of so-called 'sports anthems' that are blasted out each game, but keep this one! And Sweet Caroline? I like Neil Diamond, but when they play that at Michigan Stadium, it does absolutely nothing for me!
Besides, how much chance is there that I ever convince DB to play Frank Zappa's Catholic Girls when NOtre Dame runs out on the field? it might pump me up, but 50% of the crowd would have a cow, 40% of the crowd would be clueless, and 10% of us would love it---and what musician/group has 1/10th the talent of Zappa these days?
At least they only play it once. A person can smile and ignore something for two minutes, but Michigan Football has literally ruined the seven nation army games for me.
Pop Evil who sings The Monster You Made Me I love that song.
Because I think it's generic, pandering rock. Just my opinion.
All I need to get me going in the stadium is some MMB and football being played on the field. Again, that's just me.
I just like the fact that they aren't conformists beholden to their record label and corporate masters, they just blaze their own trail and make really great music.
Oh wait, they're just Nickelback sponsored by Hot Topic.
Hot topic is ruining society.
I probably wouldn't like it as much if we had had a crappy season, but we went undefeated at home, and I feel like this season was overall superior in stadium atmosphere to any others.
It's not so much about the lyrics as it is the music. It's rock, it gets you pumped up. And after the reaction it got last year, I'm pretty sure more people liked it than didn't like it. Watch this and tell me you didn't get pumped.
This and post the UTL victory were the best for In The Big House! Drop Sweet Caroline and Journey. Keep AC/DC and Pop Evil and of course the awe inspiring MMB. Signed, a gray hair!
I didn't know I had to conform to Mike Martin's taste in things.
I wonder what he thinks I should wear tomorrow?
Trick question: the Bridge would jump off of Mike Martin.
"Why can't I like Pop Evil?" I can. I can also drink hemlock. I don't plan on doing either anytime soon. I hope this helps.
The difference between vigorously disliking a song you randomly come across and vigorously disliking a song commissioned and featured by the athletic department is pretty big. Only in the latter case is personal embarrasment at stake. It's not just that focus-group rock songs like "In the Big House" are really unpleasant for me to listen to, it's that I have a real sense of shame (however insignificant) when they're part of some cultural thing that I voluntarily associate with.
Think of "We are ND". The reason most people here are aware of the song isn't just that it's preposterously bad by most standards; the reason is that it's preposterously bad and important people working for Notre Dame thought that it would be a really good thing to associate themselves with. And from there we can reason about what incredible twats Domers are and great mirth can be had.
In the end, I realize this issue is of pretty miniscule importance, and I don't really give much of a shit. But if I have to live in a world where Pop Evil exists, I'd prefer that my cultural links to them were minimal.
Get off your soap boxes.