All hail the UM combine champ David Molk!
Yeah. Way to go, Molk. Way to not be taller.
to crank out atleast 50 next year, dat dude is swoll.
There's a certain coach in New England who has made quite the living on developing players with less than stellar measurables.
to think there was an injury or he was just tuckered out. There is no way 36 is his best or even close to what he can do. Feel bad for him his one and only real goal was to go for 50 plus reps. Well your still the man Mike
Uh... somehow I doubt that's Mike Martin's "one and only real goal".
it was his only goal he said in public. He was in an interview where he stated I dont wanna talk about my combine goals other than getting 50 plus reps on bench press.
We know he could have done better. In fact he has. I feel bad for him, it may have cost him some money. :(
Im not too familiar with pro days... but any bench pressing events to improve their numbers?
That doesnt make any sense to me. I understand him perhaps not getting the record but to fall that short of even his recent personal best tells me something was very wrong. He was either injured or his training routine did not have him prepared properly.
He'll have a Pro-day in Ann Arbor soon won't he? If so I would assume he'll have a chance to up that number but man...what a shocker after all the talk of him hitting 50. Not that 36 is bad by any means but it's SO far off what he was saying he'd do I'm more than a bit surprised.
It might not have been a physical thing, could have been phycholgical. regardless, 36 reps at 2 1/4 is no small feet. He'll have another chance at the pro-day as well.
Dude does have big feet.
complained of sliding around on the bench after his effort and I'm wondering if the same thing happen to Mike?
Everybody training with Barwis is probably overstrained. To train Monday - Thurssay for 3 hours and Friday for 6 hours makes no sense.
barwis was a big part of the reason he was in reach of 50 reps in the first place. after "only" doing 36 his training regime "makes no sense?"
maybe you should be the new s&c coach
That is not that bad of a schedule for a pro athlete. Boxers train a lot longer and more regularly getting ready for a fight. And so do countless other pro athletes preparing for big events. I would also bet most high school wrestlers train more than that and I know for a fact that division one wrestlers train more than that. Given the performance by Molk, I doubt you can blame this on Barwis. This could be as much about it being on day 5 and not getting sleep leading up to it, as Molk noted in his interview these guys don't get much chance to sleep while at the combine.
On another note, I had never actually seen any numbers on what he had done with 225 previously. We all saw him bench 500, but no numbers on what he was doing with 225. Is it possible that 50 reps was just a pipe dream and 36 really is a good number for him? Love to see what the other DTs were doing, that might be telling.
Boxing are a lot different in terms of the demands of the sports. Preparing for a combine isn't about being conditioned and preparing for the demands of a competition like wrestlers and boxers do. You don't need to break someone down for combine tests the same way you do during preseason or even in season conditioning. It's about being your strongest and fastest for those days at the combine. It's very possible keeping that rigorous of a schedule could have overtrained them. I've defended Barwis before but he has a reputation for overtraining his athletes.
Where does he have this reputation at? Besides RR haters on blogs. Boxers, wrestlers and olympic athletes all have the same goal, to peak at the right time. You can't be overtrained in any competition. I doubt they came in overtrained at all. But we will see more tomorrow.
who are actually in the Strength and Conditioning profession share this view. You won't see many strength coaches have continuous sessions like Barwis did without a peaking phase where volume is tapered down leading up to competition. In track and field, for instance, workouts are very high volume at the beginning of the season and then toward the end of the season are tapered down so that the runners have recovery time to make sure they're fresh for the most important meets of the year. You must let the CNS recover in order to have optimal performance. I've also heard that when Barwis was with M, players would be sore from lifting on game days. That should not happen. Yes you can lift hard during the season, but the volume needs to be much lower. Some athletes, albeit very few of them, can handle what would cause most people to overtrain. Brandon Graham pulled a hamstring when he was running in the combine. He also ran a much slower time than the time that was reported when he was in combine training with Barwis. Molk puts up 41 after hitting 39 reps after working sets when with Barwis. Martin only manages 36 when he states that he believes he can break the record, and I don't think he would say that without knowing he could do it. Don't get me wrong, 36 reps is still very impressive, as were Molk's 41, but all evidence just seems to point to these players working with him not peaking when they should be, but instead getting hurt and performing below what they know they can do.
"all evidence just sems to point to these players working with him not peaking"
except of course molk putting up the best numbers of any olineman.
maybe it's just that sometimes guys have it that day and sometimes they don't. i'm guessing the strength coach at OSU isn't terrible and yet Mike Adams, one of the top OTs, can only get 17 reps or whatever. wes welker catches wide open passes almost all of the time. billy cundiff makes 30 yard field goals almost all of the time.
sometimes guys just don't quite get done what they want/expect to get done.
The guy at Ohio didn't do combine prep for him. He was just hired from Florida and is one of the best in the business. The majority of college strength coaches don't do combine training. The elite players go to places like Athlete Performance, Parisi Speed School, Velocity in Cali or Florida, IMG in Florida and places like that. These places are the best of the best and provide everything from nutrition to visual training to position drills/training.
They are number 2 and 3 at the combine, if that is over training than I guess more guys should get some of that. Plus, I would note the schedule you described was from last month, do you know what they did in the last week or two? I know they have not trained with him since Tuesday for sure as they had to travel to the combine.
I do like the "many people in the business comment, got any links for that? Because last I saw he was offered the biggest contract in division 1 by FSU. So yeah, people in the business must think he is a real train wreck.
If Inge can bat 250 and with some power, then Barwis is good. If not he sucks.
Anybody who is knowledgable in S&C will not dispute what the guy wrote about peaking. He said perhaps they didn't run a correct taper down to peak at the combine. When both MM and Molk had "disappointing" performances (according to their stated goals) and didn't hit massive PRs, you can probably bet something went wrong in their programming. I'll probably get banned for saying this (gasp), but maybe Barwis ended up hurting them on on this day.
The bit about guys being sore on game days is disturbing though. As stated, volume should be low during the season.
I'm a Barwis supporter and I think he does / did a great job with a lot of the guys, but that doesn't mean his methods are the best for everyone. The person who trained Hemingway obviously knew how to best prep him for the combine.
Combine prep is very demanding, physically and mentally. I've trained guys during combine prep. Never would I train guys for 6 hours in one day. It's all about repetition and neuromuscular activation and learning how to perform drills repetitively. It's nothing like boxing or wrestling. The body can only handle so much for so long.
His PR is 42, but it was done at the end of a workout.
Did some of them not count?
David Molk did 41. Mike Martin ad David Molk are two different people.
The thread previously was David Molk but was replaced by Mike Martin. Why was the David Molk thread deleted?
It is not deleted for me bro:
When it happened is still up. Supposedly, this one was the third or fourth one the mods had to cave.
who had 41
That's really just diappointing and sad to hear. I've been looking forward to how he'd perform like it was a Fall Saturday. On the bright side, I imagine he's going to be heading into the league with a chip on his shoulder next year..
Go tomorrow, Monday ?!?
the bench is usually the day before 40's and agility drills
Good to know. Thanks.
Hey, he's still twice as strong as the best OSU has to offer.
Will Johnson set some sort of lifting record and he never played one minute, even in exhibitions. MM is certainly strong enough to play; he has to prove he's good enough by making plays on the practice field and in games. Same with Molk. I think they can and will.
Long time reader, first time poster. I was under the impression the the DL workouts were going to be on Monday. There are no stats for this that I see on NFL website or any others.
This link confirms that DL workouts are in fact tomorrow.
I've been watching NFL network most of the afternoon and its QB/RB/WR day, have seen nothing from DL. So where did this number of 36 come from if he hasn't even lifted yet?
As far as I know the DL workout has not happened yet and there is no results for any DL on the NFL combine website. Maybe this was a workout? I don't know why he would be doing bench the day before he has to bench but that 36 is not official
On the same matter. Meals kindly pointed out to me that Bench Press is usually the day before Agility and 40 yd. dash workouts i.e. "Workout Day". I'm assuming this is why we knew Molk put up 41 reps. already, Friday evening.
My mistake. 36 reps is still pretty damn good. MM is a beast.
This link shows the results:
A DL out of Memphis did 44 reps. Still second overall (Molk) and tied for third (Martin) among this year's draftees is pretty damn good, especially when both Molk and Martin are considered undersized for their positions.
Anyone saying "only" doing 36 reps is gonna cost him money is a fool. Bench reps only factor a little into someone's draft stock and even so 36 reps is DAMN IMPRESSIVE. Nice work Mike, best of luck the rest of the way.
I negged you for writing a post that hurts the eyes to read. I'm glad that you use periods at the end of thoughts, but why do you have to put three of them every time?
That "overrated" probably came from a single person clicking on it. They really need to add an "overreact" option.
I think it was just way too hyped up. It really doesn't matter - if you look at the kid you can tell he's clearly a beast.
This in no way will hurt him and his draft status! He is MM . . . talking with him, people will know! No one is going to work harder!
Not worth it's own thread but Mike Adams got just 19 on the bench.
Said it in the Hemingway thread already, but measurables help your draft position, while hard work and performance keep you in the league. MM will work his tail off for whomever is lucky enough to draft him - regardless of his bench reps
This is the most worthless test the NFL could use. Terrell Suggs hit 19 reps at the combine and he turned out OK.
Then send the NFL league offices an
E-mail voicing your displeasure
ABOUT THE BENCH PRESS! EITHER YOU CAN PLAY OR YOU CANT THATS WHAT REALLY MATTERS!!!
I thought the d line worked out tomorrow.
So did the two other guys that asked the same question in this thread.
I think we all thought Molk, and especially Martin had a real shot at 50 reps, so in that, we are a bit disappointed. But instead of just measuring them against some number they were hoping to achieve, if you look at it in the sense that of all the NFL prospects at the combine, only one dude lifted more than Molk and only two lifted more than Martin (one of them being Molk). They are in elite company, among the best of the best, at least in bench press reps, so they have nothing to hang their heads about, and we shouldn't be disappointed either. Congrats to both of them for their effort and success.
Great points. Perspective is a wonderful thing. Key to the league is hard work and these seniors have it in spades. Good luck to them all, whether at the combine or not. I dare anyone to count a guy like Koger out and watch him make it
Only one guy in the entire country lifted more than Molk and Martin. Yet there are still people on this blog acting like this is a disappointment and some are even complaining about the guy who helped them prepare for the workout.
This is one of the best displays of strength by two guys from the same school that the combine has probably ever seen. And it came from two great players who are also by all accounts great guys.
Nothing but celebration should come from this. Congrats to Mike, David, Barwis & Co., and all the guys on the current S&C staff who helped make it happen.
DL didn't work out today, only did interviews, psychological testing, and NFLPA meeting!!!
They are showing his bench press results already, so either bench falls under psychological testing or the combine is a little out of sorts.
Not bad for UM though if you consider Long put up 37 a few years ago, Molk does 41, and Martin puts up 36. All in all some definite beasts have played in the trenches at UM
is my personal best at 225 lbs. Of course I weigh 185 and am older. You peak in strength a little older than 22.
I had a pretty crummy weekend, and even tho its sad, I was actually looking foreward to some ungodly killer number on his bench test. I suppose that's what I get for hanging all my hopes on something like this. Nonetheless, it still is a great number and from what I hear, his draft status wasn;t going to be based highly on this anyways. It would have been nice, but hes still Mike Martin, and whoever gets him is going to get a workhorse!
I know it is fun to set a goal, but the benchpress is really a bit overrated when measuring strength. When you are trying to do 50 reps of something it is no longer a strength issue but a measure of endurance. Do 50 of anything and see how long it takes. Since football is played in 5 second increments I am far more interested in a players strength move over that period and how fast they can recover to do it again in 30 seconds.
Also missed out is work equals force times distance. A six foot eight tackle in the Mike Adams build is going to have a much more difficult time then someone who has a more squat build and shorter arms. So anyone presuming he is not strong is being foolish.
These measurables along with 40 times and what not are nice. But they are as meaningful as measuring football skill as the SAT is for measuring inteligence. Just an arbitrary test. Losts of real strong guys can't make it in the NFL because their strength/endurance does not equat to the impulse power that really determines success. Ditto for real fast guys do not make the league because they can't cut or stop on a dime.
Suh benched 225 32 times. Presuming Martin is capable of benching 225 50 times and actually did, would anyone even entertain the possibility that the two are remotely close? No, because the play on the field is what is more important.
I'm sure Michigan will have a Michigan Day for those seniors not invited to the combine. Martin could try it again if he had a bad day. There is also enough out there on Youtube that NFL teams interested have more video proving what a machine he is. He'll still get drafted and I believe have a pretty good career.