/end of meme
According to Sam Webb on Twitter Sr. LB Mike Jones is also leaving the football team. This follows on the heels of Jr. Safety Marvin Robinson leaving as well.
Who? [Yeah... OP didn't load before I clicked "reply"]
Same reason I opened the thread
The one and only, you can't clone me (er...him)
I wish him well and hope he finds a spot where he is happy. He came here with best intentions. Sometimes it does not always work out exactly as planned, but that's OK. There is no one single path to success in life.
but they get a Michigan degree. Maybe he's sticking around and just not playing football any more...
But that's what Stephen Hopkins did. I know my Michigan degree has done me a few favors, I hope that both guys who leave the football team leave with a degree too.
Sam Webb said he will be eligible to play right away as a grad student transfer.
Right, so then he already has his undergrad. Degree. Then he won't be staying around just for school then.
who... is going to fill the roster spot?
Hopefully Mitchell from Arkansas.
These are only affecting this year so it doesn't open more scholarships. It's just guys that can potentially graduate and move on in life.
I assume Robinson will graduate in the spring and Jones is in Grad school.
Best of luck to both. Neither a blow.
Again, this isn't really affecting next year so while it may seem like guys like Furman, Paskorz, Ash, etc. may be next...they're not going to make the 2014 class any bigger because none of them were counted against next years total (even though some of them could be as RS SRs).
i am a little bit glad he is leaving so we can finally hear the end of the f**king "who?" jokes
Who's out next so we can be sure and be REALLY far under the signing limit before the season? /s
It feels like the bell is ringing and another walk on is getting his 2013 wings.....
Hey, that's what MSU fans believe.
I find it hilarious that one Sparty poster bashed BWC for barely playing, when according to the MgoBlue stats, BWC played in 49 games.
or this lmao.. some of the posters on there are so far up their own ass it is brutal...
"Mattison is also promising the NFL to recruits. I think this is borderline unethical since only a small fraction will ever play in the NFL. But its not against the rules to make promises to recruits; they just find out the hard way. UM promises championships too. 1 since WWII is pretty flimsy. Hoke is also touting an "anything goes" approach to discpline. You pretty much will get to keep playing short of the 6 arrest Stonum rule.
One need look no further than the Michigan defense of the last two years (especially considering where it was the previous two years) to measure Mattison's value. I would think that would be obvious to anyone. Then again, I'm down here in Texas and don't regularly run into MSU grads, so I don't know what crosses the "obvious" threshold. I get that they hate UM, but this is silly.
Or our recruits look at how Mattison took over one of the worst defenses in the country and turned it around into an area of strength for our team. Spartan fans crack me up
Amazing how RCMB posters know more about our coaches' recruiting pitches than we do.
For making me curious enough to click the link and read some of that garbage! I need to go read a text book or something...I am pretty sure I lost some brain cells while over there.
10 Potential Canidates for a 1-Year Scholarship
I assume the Bolded guys already have a scholarship...IMO Cleary, G. Glasgow and Reynolds are the next up.
It has to go to Cleary. That way our back-up QB will be a scholarship player, and we'll be alright if Gardner goes down. Logic.
Cleary is next, hopefully they can nab a one year qb, let Morris redshirt
I forgot to include Glanda in the "up next" (assuming he's not already on scholarship).
Marvin Robinson also reportedly leaving per mike rothstein
Droppin' like flies today
sigh...not a good couple of days for some of the older guys on the roster.
Wish them well, hopefully they will get some mileage out of their degrees
He just got buried by all the young talent and never really stood out as somebody who was going to legitly compete for a starting position and maintain it. I would have to guess him and Marvin probably discuss their departure together.
MGoBlue lists Mike Jones as a resdshirt senior, which would mean potentially that he is in a position to graduate this spring and has one year of eligibility left, if he wanted to play (and start grad school) somewhere else. Regardless, hopefully his Michigan degree grabs him some success and best of luck to him in the future.
His next step is to transfer to UMass and then get drafted.
In fact, the careers aren't that dissimilar.
Is that the right word? Did I do that right?
I also read somewhere that another player received his release from the team. Due to it just being rumor at this point I'll withold the name. I guess we are starting to see the room open up for the next recruiting class.
Neither Jones nor Robinsons departure opened up any scholarships for the 2014 recruiting class.
Well then I guess Michigan will just have to take a transfer to fill that spot or give it to a deserving walk on.
This is obviously because of Derrick Green threatening him to give up #27.
I hope both he and Marvin find their spot and get to contribute somewhere. But losing all these upper class guys gives me pause when thinking about how our special teams coverage performed a couple years ago when we were relying on lots of freshmen. Or injuries when we are relying on starters. Please please be unfounded concerns.
in Arizona now
Just goes to show you have useless a 3-scholarship for each of 3 years penalty is. UM will be under the OSU limit again this year (not counting the bonus walk-on scholarships that will be given out)
It keeps Ohio State from playing Santa Claus for a few of their walk-ons and . . . that's about it.
Student Conflict Resolution center at different times this past term. Each time with some type of parental figure. I would've guessed it was them based on that, but I didn't want to throw random speculation out there.
I didn't want to throw random speculation out there.
But you did anyway.
Frankly, I'm surprised Mike Jones stuck around this long. I thought he might be on the way out when Hoke first got hired, I was a little surprised when he stuck around for 2012, and then I was even more surprised when he was still on the roster this spring. I don't wish him any will, but he's clearly just not on par with Michigan-caliber players athletically. If he wishes to continue his football career, I hope he does it on the FCS or D-II level, because I don't think he can hack it in FBS.
You may not have wanted to wish him any will, but wish him will you have.
Based on the current roster are there any other players you could possibly see leaving the program?
Well, if you look at older guys who are buried on the bench, that seems to be a good place to start when "predicting" these things. Jordan Paskorz and Richard Ash are redshirt juniors who are behind some youngsters, and Josh Furman is in the same boat, although Robinson's departure opens the door there a little bit. There have also been injury-related rumors about Antonio Poole, who will be a redshirt sophomore this year.
For the record, I'm not promoting the idea that any of these guys should depart.
I didn't really expect Wilkins, Ringer, or Jones to be on the 2013 roster, so Robinson's is the only departure so far that has come as a bit of a surprise.
I wouldn't be surprised if we lose a CB in the fall once the freshman arrive. There always seems to be someone that makes everyone go "why didn't (insert name here) leave earlier? He could've sat the summer, and practiced this fall, etc. etc. etc."
We've got 2-3 CBs that haven't played that much, you'd expect them to contribute this year. But then again, you would've expected them to contribute in the bowl game vs. moving Norfleet to defense or J. Wilson to Nickelback. Especially when Ace Sanders was looking like Wes Welker. So if those same 2-3 guys get buried by the true freshman...I'd add at least one guy to the list above.
Again, not promoting anything...just saying "based on what you've seen in the past...if I had to guess..."
Otherwise, I think you hit the nail on the head.
There may be a few who are hanging on, knowing that they have a chance to make the two deep or have a chance to hit the field if there is an injury.
HOWEVER, if in August it quickly becomes apparent that the incoming Freshmen have passed them, and that they're NOT going to see the field, I could see a few more dropping off the team. If you're only going to be on the scout team, and you want to start every week, you need to go to a lesser team.
The other interesting question is how scholarships work. That is to say, do players keep scholarships if they drop off the team? I could see a senior sticking it out through September, but dropping at that time, if that made a difference in receiving free tuition, room, board, etc., for the 2013 - 2014 school year.
...if a kid transfers, the current school pays his scholarship until he enrolls at a new school.
...if a kid quits, that scholarship is usually forfeited at the end of that semester.
...if a kid is cut, dismissed, etc. it's situation based based on the circumstances.
For example if the person is straight kicked off the team, he's violated the rules, broke the law, whatever. Usually they try and pull the scholarship. However, he's treated like a regular student in most cases and can go before a board at the University to retain the aid. In many cases the student wins, it doesn't mean they're on the team, but they still keep their scholarship.
If he just sucks, he can be cut, keep the scholarship and just go to class. Obviously, usually kids transfer in this case. But like those guys at Arkansas, if they want, they can say "screw you Bielima" and keep their scholarship for the year. Football is a little different because many times it's on a year-by-year basis.
There are obviously ways around a lot of this and certainly exceptions. But it's actually hard to "get rid" of a kid just because you don't like that individual. In football we see it more because these guys want to play, so you tell them, "look, you're never ever going to see the field" ...and they leave.
The last thing to note is that a scholarship is about academics, it has nothing to do with being on the team. A coach can kick whoever they want off their team (with approval from athletics administration), but pulling a scholarship is a lot harder.
I actually went through this exact situation this winter with one of my coaches. She wanted to kick a player off the team for being a bad influence on the rest of the team. We took it to the AD and he said, "she doesn't have to be on the team, but I'm not pulling her aid." He also commented that if he did pull her aid and the player went to the University board, she'd get it right back because there wasn't enough to pull the scholarship.
We dismissed the girl from the team, planning to continue her aid for the next 1.5 years, but she transferred over the winter and the team got her scholarship "back" as the result.
sorry but if this is the last time I can do it, I'm going to do it. MIKE JONES
One last time, for good measure. Call him up, maybe you can change his mind...
The staff better be turning up the heat on Cordell Broadus (Snoop Dogg's Son) and Naijiel Hale (Natedogg's Son) to give the Mgoblog rap crowd some more entertainment.