Mike and Mike discuss coaching change this morning - according to them, there will be one
On Mike and Mike this morning, the two of them, along with Cris Carter, briefly discussed the stake incident, and the follow-up apology. They then went on to say Hoke clearly will not be around next season, and discussed the pros and cons of firing him mid-season instead of after the Ohio State game. Cris Carter described it as "waiting until after the beat down by Ohio State" to do it, or something to that effect. I actually didn't even attribute that to homerism, but as a statistically probable fact. In any event, it's very hard at this point, with this much negative press about non-football stuff coupled with our onfield performance, to think that Hoke will still have the big office in Schembechler Hall next season.
October 27th, 2014 at 12:56 PM ^
You mean those two jackasses actually discussed something other than their precious NFL?
October 27th, 2014 at 1:01 PM ^
October 27th, 2014 at 12:56 PM ^
right? ....right?
October 27th, 2014 at 1:50 PM ^
expects this to be true. It is the obvious, logical thing to do. Almost every school with this body of evidence would fire Hoke now or at the end of the season.
The problem is, none of those people actually make the decision.
October 27th, 2014 at 2:54 PM ^
isn't it?
October 27th, 2014 at 12:59 PM ^
I dunno about a "beatdown". After watching PSU move the ball on the 'nuts D and the 'nuts' O not looking stellar, The Game might be slightly interesting.
October 27th, 2014 at 1:14 PM ^
October 27th, 2014 at 1:17 PM ^
we played PSU at home under the lights where we historically have done well...last week's game was in Happy Valley, and The Game is in Columbus. So, the transitive property is taking on a few more variables.
October 27th, 2014 at 1:20 PM ^
October 27th, 2014 at 1:52 PM ^
...they had an extra week to prepare.
October 27th, 2014 at 4:34 PM ^
October 27th, 2014 at 1:58 PM ^
looked confused again against osu. he wasted another time out at the end of the game. and it also appeared that they won the coin toss and wanted the ball first in the OT. i couldn't believe that. unless the refs screwed that up too. but it appeared that the psu captain was asking to get the ball.
October 27th, 2014 at 2:21 PM ^
Do you mean the wasted down when they clocked the ball on 1st & 10 w/ the clock stopped at the OSU 18?
http://espn.go.com/ncf/playbyplay?gameId=400547985&period=4
The only non-dumb reason for that is if Hackenberg/Franklin recognized "Oh shit, this play is going to get demolished and I don't have time to change it."
October 27th, 2014 at 1:40 PM ^
Actually its more like PSU has a real, competent defense matched with their crappy offense. We have the crappy offense but lack anything remotely resembling a competent defense
October 27th, 2014 at 2:12 PM ^
our 300 lb monkey can't handle cymbals - he can only clap
October 27th, 2014 at 10:55 PM ^
October 27th, 2014 at 1:27 PM ^
A very good DL and some good LBs.
There's no rational argument that says Ohio State is going to be upset by Michigan. The only question is whether Michigan can play well enough in Columbus to avoid annihilation. I have my doubts. Interestingly, it likely will be Devin Gardner's last game of his Michigan career.
October 27th, 2014 at 2:49 PM ^
Beatdown is almost a certainty. The only interesting thing will be to see how long it takes the firing announcement of Hoke after the game.
October 27th, 2014 at 9:09 PM ^
with MSU, not looking as good as they thought like them getting "blown" out by Oregon, Purdue and Nebraska "almost" comeback plus Michigan has a bye week to "prepare" for MSU. Instead, MSU made Michigan their bitch last Saturday.
OSU offense is going to demolish Michigan defense. I'm terrifed for Gardner or whoever is behind the center because of Joey Bosa who may end up as a top 5 pick in 2016 draft. Bosa will make either Cole or Braden his bitch.
October 27th, 2014 at 12:59 PM ^
I'd love to see Hoke get the treatment OSU gave John Cooper. Announce the severing of ties the week before The Game, and give the football team a chance to send Hoke out with a win. I think it was a pretty merciful way for OSU to cut ties with Cooper, allows for the salvalging of a recruiting class, and gets the Sword of Damacles (currently suspended by a strand of a spider web) from over the team's head.
October 27th, 2014 at 1:04 PM ^
I like the idea, although you've got the coach wrong; Cooper was fired after a bowl game loss. Earle Bruce is who you're thinking of.
October 27th, 2014 at 1:08 PM ^
The second favorite OSU coach of my lifetime.
What I like about the Earle Bruce treatment, in additon to what's above, is that even if Michigan somehow upsets OSU, the decision is already made and implemented. For all his shortcomings, Hoke is a very likeable guy, and I'd hate to see the powers-that-be swayed by an outlier result. (And I would love that outlier result, of course.)
October 27th, 2014 at 1:20 PM ^
Plus I'm not too comfortable with the idea of sending the message that everything up to this point is not fireable yet. We're past the point of no return here. I like the idea. I think the situation with the AD throws a monkey wrench into the works, and if we had a settled situation there, then it could be easily envisioned; now, not so much. But I like it.
October 27th, 2014 at 1:23 PM ^
was fired in a fit of emotion following their loss to Iowa. That said, I believe Bruce had that same issue as Hoke which became a systemic problem. He was just too close to his players. He identified with the players as individuals at the expense of seeing them as parts of a team. At the risk of being un-PC, he was blue collar and saw things and coached from the blue collar perspective.
October 27th, 2014 at 2:29 PM ^
1979 11-1-0 1980 9-3-0 1981 9-3-0 1982 9-3-0 1983 9-3-0 1984 9-3-0 1985 9-3-0 1986 10-3-0 1987 6-4-1
http://cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/div_ia/bigten/ohio_state/1975-1979_yea…
October 27th, 2014 at 2:51 PM ^
I would lose my mind if we had the talent to compete for national titles every year but lost three games for 7 straight years...oh wait. I forgot that Lloyd was a legend.
October 27th, 2014 at 3:40 PM ^
Actually winning a national title (something no other Michigan coach has done in the last 65 years) buys you a lot of goodwill.
October 27th, 2014 at 4:08 PM ^
And I think that one national title in 65 years is ridiculous, but the national title bought Lloyd more goodwill than he deserved. Since he had the talent to win multiple and lost 3 games every year after 97 except 1999 and 2006 when he lost 2.
The dig on Bo was that he had came close to winning the national title multiple times but always came up short. Lloyd won it once but never came close to winning it again.
October 27th, 2014 at 6:28 PM ^
Never came close to winning it again? He was 3 points away from making it to the national championship in 2006 when they lost to Ohio State 45-42 and if it wasn't for Crable's late hit call against Troy Smith late in the game they probably would've went on to win that game. And people can bad mouth Lloyd all they want but he at least won games and Michigan was always one of the better teams in the nation while he was there and now once he leaves we become a joke and the laughingstock of college football
October 27th, 2014 at 7:50 PM ^
October 27th, 2014 at 3:07 PM ^
And Bruce had a winning record against Michigan, 5-4-1. OSU didn't realize how good they had it until they brought Cooper on board.
October 27th, 2014 at 3:12 PM ^
Not totally. Bruce was taking a team that was used to competing for national titles under Woody and going 9-3 every year. Having a winning record against Michigan doesn't change that.
Cooper recruited like nobodys business and was always close to winning the big one but always pooped himself against Michigan.
Then Tressel came in to beat Michigan and won the big one. Fuck.
We need a Tressel.
October 27th, 2014 at 3:39 PM ^
He was fired before that last game, though. At that point he was 4-4-1 in the series, had lost two straight and his team was a big underdog in the '87 game. It looked like OSU was going to lose a third straight and given Bruce's poor recruiting, they seemed to be on a downward spiral, which was confirmed by their next couple of mediocre seasons.
Cooper, despite his mysterious problems against Michigan, restocked their cupboard and definitely left the program in better shape than the one he inherited.
October 27th, 2014 at 6:42 PM ^
Didn't he punch an opposing player? Or am I thinking of someone else.
October 27th, 2014 at 12:59 PM ^
Big, if true.
October 27th, 2014 at 1:00 PM ^
Who really cares if its now or in 31 days? The important thing is we get a new AD soon. Also, how is it a forgone conclusion that we'll get crushed by Ohio State. They just skated by last week and everyone said the same last year about how we were going to be beaten by 40 points.
October 27th, 2014 at 2:32 PM ^
Notre Dame. Indiana.
(Damn, another pre-Dantonio comparison.)
This year we're just Mr Hyde.
October 27th, 2014 at 1:00 PM ^
I mean, i think it was a foregone conclusion that Hoke would not be in the big office next season well before this debacle. I think we need to focus on the AD... don't we need the new AD to start the new coaching search? Surely DB is not the guy to find him.
October 27th, 2014 at 3:11 PM ^
I'm not convinced that anything will change until Brandon is gone. And even if Brandon survives long enough to lead a coaching search, I'm convinced that his uncertain future would completely sabotage his ability to conduct a thorough search. Any coaching search that ends with us getting the best possible candidate starts with us replacing the AD.
October 27th, 2014 at 1:01 PM ^
ummm, duh?
October 27th, 2014 at 1:02 PM ^
mike and mike don't have any inside information on Hoke's job status, they're just assuming that a change will be made.
Because not having a change would be idiotic, but still, par for the course for this AD.
October 27th, 2014 at 1:09 PM ^
It's typically something like:
Mike Greenberg: "Let's talk about the Jets..."
Mike Golic: "(loud, faux outrage)"
Cris "Sam the Eagle" Carter: "(condescending toned "insight")"
I can't really stand most of the talking heads at ESPN. NFL Countdown is like the worst televangelist round-table in the history of our stars. Very few ESPN "analysts" bring anything of merit to the table.
October 27th, 2014 at 2:04 PM ^
Don't forget about Golic's constant stammering and repeated use of "I get it".
October 27th, 2014 at 2:25 PM ^
That and "JUST STOP IT!"
October 27th, 2014 at 7:21 PM ^
and Golic's dumb football player schtick is soooo old... I haven't tuned into that piece of crap show in years
October 27th, 2014 at 1:02 PM ^
Is because he doesn't know any Josh Groban songs. He's heard of him, but he's not fully aware of him.
Bye Bye Brady.
October 27th, 2014 at 1:07 PM ^
It's pronounced, gro-BON.
October 27th, 2014 at 2:33 PM ^
The worse thing is under Hoke we've come to personify the emo-wank fest that is the Groban song. Continuity indeed.
October 27th, 2014 at 1:03 PM ^
now that we will indeed have a choaching change. the interesting thing though it that i still think Michigan could win out. It isn't like this team is devoid of talent. No one else on the schedule looks that great. This is exactly why I'm sure he will stay on through the rest of the season. try to maintain some semblance of a program and whatnot. The only question is whether or not brandon will be back. It appears that he is now distanceing himself from Hoke.