Michigan's Russell Bellomy determined to put injury, last play behind him - Angelique DetNews article
You watch. I'm not saying he will be Tom Brady, but Brady was not good from his freshman-RS sophomore year.
His first play was a pick six I believe.
Brady stayed determined and hungry and he QB'd the team to a Big Ten Championship, a BCS win and became a captain his 5th year. Don't really need to cite his pro career.
Right now certainly. Did you see Tom Brady becoming an NFL terror and having a good end to his Michigan career. Gardner didn't look like hot stuff his first couple of years and look at him now.
Point is you could very well be right but we won't know for a while.
Brady was a pretty highly touted recruit in high school. Not on devins level, but in a whole other stratosphere than bellomys expectations
Brady had Henson to compete with like Bellomy will have Morris once DG leaves. If Morris wins the job that really squeezes any opportunity for Bellomy since he is older. I could see Bellomy being much improved as an upperclassman, unfortunately for him I don't think he'll have the chance to prove it on the field.
Brady had the arm strength as a freshman, as did Devin. Yes they made bad decisions, but they were phiscally able to make the throws. Bellomy does not have to arm strength to be a college qb. I wish nothing but the best for the kid, but he just doesn't have to the tools to be successful at qb.
Why exactly? Don't act like you knew back in college when Brady first started getting playing time that he would in the future be considered one of the best quarterbacks to ever play.
A single game should not define a career. Yep, it's unlikely he becomes anything like Brady but he's not doomed to being a terrible college player at this point either.
They both earned scholarships to play QB for Michigan and have taken the field as Michigan's QB. So there's that...
You sound like the Spartan fans who think all of their 2 star recruits will be 1st round picks.
I haven't laughed that hard in years. Comparing Bellomy to Brady. That is great.
was that as unprepared as he might have been for that stage, his offensive teammates seemed equally overwhelmed by the moment after Denard went down. The receivers, in particular, were awful. IIRC, the pick-six was a freak carom off a receiver who should have had a very makeable catch-- for a kid coming in cold like that, he never had a chance. He'll get some PT next year backing up Morris while Speight redshirts.
"He'll get some PT next year backing up Morris"
I didn't realize Gardner already declared for the draft. How'd I miss that?
If Gardner is back next year, something has gone very wrong with the remainder of the season. The kid has his degree, will have a year's worth of credits towards a master's, and will lose the best QB insurance policy in the nation in Lewan* along with his other starting tackle, so he'll be saying hello to raw bookends next year. Add to that the departure of psychic twin receiver in Gallon and the other most sure-handed receiver he's got in Dileo. Replacing them are... a receiver returning from a season-long injury and a guy he hasn't targeted once in two games.
Oh yeah, he very well might project to the first round of the NFL draft, a tenuous projection year-to-year for QBs. This year's first rounders have a way of becoming next year's mid-rounds.
Seriously, is anyone here delusional enough to think he would come back if he continues to perform at the level we saw last weekend? Under all of those circumstances? If you are, hey, more power to you, you're shockingly optimistic by Michigan fan standards.
I suspect this will be a semi-weekly thread topic pretty soon... but I can't figure out why.
*don't say "but Lewan stayed!"... while I was thrilled about it, his value isn't dependent on the team or circumstances around him the way a QB's value is. A great LT is a great LT on a crap team or a championship team, only an injury would change his value.
I guess we will just wait and see. Thanks for the name calling and insults, though. Much appreciated.
But if you want people to be nice to you, then stop trying to help old rich guys corner the frozen concentrated orange juice futures market using insider information. I really hate that.
+1 to you, sir. All is forgiven.
if he hasa very strong November and Bowl Game. If he plays like he did last week, he has a legit shot at going in the 1st 2 rounds. The NFL wants experience and assuming all goes well, Gardner would have 1.5 years as a QB. That's not bad at all (look at Sanchez).
I think in November, he may have some trouble as the good D teams would have more film on Michigan and the realization that it's not Denard back there, so don't defend like it is. I think Gardner comes back next year and makes another leap.
"That's not bad at all (look at Sanchez)."
Are you intending to use that as a positive example?
Being a four year starter in the NFL is suddenly unimpressive?
"Being a four year starter in the NFL is suddenly unimpressive?"
Not when you lose your job before the end of that fourth year to Greg McElroy and eventually lose it entirely to a rookie. Mark Sanchez should never be anyone's measure of success for leaving early. In fact, he should always be the cautionary tale as to why to NOT leave early. When you have your own coach (who had advised plenty of players to go early) telling you that you aren't ready to go to the NFL and should stay in school, you should stay in school. Pete Carroll was right. The fact that he started for the Jets for almost four full seasons has little to do with his ability and a lot to do with the fact that the Jets wasted a first round pick on him and were going to give him every opportunity to put it together before moving on.
1. Chad Henne would love that much success.
2. Mark Sanchez, unlike Matt Barkley or Matt Leinart, left USC early while his stock was high. And he pretty clearly made the right choice for his own well-being. Barkley could still yet succeed, but right now he's a low pick taking up a third QB roster spot on a team that its not clear he's suited for.
Do you honestly think there is any QBs currently playing in college, who are legit NFL prospects, who sit there and says to themselves "man, I hope my NFL career looks like Mark Sanchez's"? In terms of games played maybe, but that's pretty much where the aspirational comparison ends. Yes, he has played for four years, but there are very few QBs who were drafted as high as he was who have started less games. He is right about at where the make or break point is for the patience period with very highly drafted QBs who don't have immediate success.
Not really sure where people came up with the idea that if a player didn't take off in the NFL he would've been better off waiting a year in college. You can wait as long as you want, the truth will come out in the NFL. And, again, four years (and counting) in the NFL is a really impressive career. It's actually, you know, kind of hard to get to that level.
"Not really sure where people came up with the idea that if a player didn't take off in the NFL he would've been better off waiting a year in college."
I'm willing to side with Pete Carroll on this one.
Incomplete data is great to make that conclusion off of until more data points like RG III, Andrew Luck, and Alex Smith come along.
Sanchez is a game manager. He got a contract extension. He's had a terrible offensive mind running his team every game of his career and is likely going to be starting somewhere that's not New York next year (which might be the best thing for his career).
Heck, the kid's got more playoff wins than someone like say, Carson Palmer, has playoff games.
just shows how irrelevant playoff wins is in comparing QB skills
Plenty of players come back for their senior year, especially when they haven't won anything. Plus, you're highlighting a lot of losses without highlighting any of the strengths. The D should be better all around. The RBs, TEs, and interior line should all be better next year, as well.
If Gardner plays at the level he has been the rest of the season, then yes there is a very good chance he jumps early. Not a 100% chance, but a very good one. But personally, I think Gardner makes plays doing things that he won't get away with in the NFL; he runs around in the back field a lot, the ball in one hand, turning his back to the field too often. He's played great so far, but he's not exactly a first round lock right now, in my opinion.
But he clearly has all the tools to be that first round lock, it's just a matter of how things develop going forward. I don't think it's blatant, blind optimism to think he might come back next season.
Exactly. As well as he has played, he has a lot to work on. Sure, he has his degree, but he doesn't exactly have a lot of game action playing experience. I can't think of any early departure QBs who have been first round picks who had as little playing experience as Gardner will have by the end of this season. There may be some, but I can't think of them.
Mark Sanchez had one year starting
That's exactly the example I reach for when saying why Gardner should stay.
unless we count his one year in junior college. But Devin's 5 games in B10 probably trump that. I think he has a lot to work on, too, but if the NFL tells him he'll be a 1st rounder, I just can't imagine he says no with all his security blankets on offense leaving anyway. Certainly hope I'm wrong, but in the meantime we need to get Morris some serious work whenever possible.
I think it's a little crazy to expect Gardner to have a Newton-like year. If he does (which would be awesome and I would not complain at all), then yeah, that's probably a good sign he's going.
to be a projected first rounder, so I'm not sure who's expecting Gardner to have that kind of year. But we were looking for examples of inexperienced first-round QB picks.
You brought up Cam Newton. I'm just pointing out what a massive outlier he is.
The guy who mentioned Tannehill is probably spot on. Some QB spot duty, switched to WR, switched back to QB for a season and a half, and drafted in the first round.
I'm not saying that Gardner can't possibly go in the first round. I'm just saying that calling people delusional for thinking he'll come back is pretty extreme.
just like how Lewan declared for the draft last year. Can't foresee a guy coming back for his 5th year season when he's as good as Gardner. Cannot think of any good examples
He'd have almost the same amount of qb experience as Ryan Tannehill. Tannehill started at QB for the second half of his junior year (after moving from receiver) and then his entire senior year.
He didn't leave early.
DG doesn't return is if we win a MNC this year. That said, I'd be happy either way
to see if he really is as bad as he was in that Nebraska game, or if that was an anomaly. He seems like a good guy. Kinda feel bad for him.
At the Spring game would be great for me.
Isn't this posted right down below @ mgo.licio.us?
Bellomy has a tough road ahead. He could have Gardner (hope so!) and Morris in front of him next season and then Morris (and Speight, if the best QBs will play/backup policy continues) thereafter. The one thing that might be in his favor is that he can probably run a little bit better than Morris.
I hope that he makes a solid recovery and that he is in the mix in the coming years. He's certainly part of the team and looks at himself as being part of the team and he wasn't recruited because he didn't have any talent. As we've seen in the past (ref all the Brady-related above), anything can happen.
IMO Bellomy will be key next year as a 2nd stringer in the very likely event (although undesirable scenario on this site) that Gardner goes pro. And from what I've read on that article, don't count him out as a serious competitor.
Good for him. I've always liked Bellomy (being a Purdue decommit will do that), and I really felt bad for him after that Nebraska game. I hope he gets an opportunity in the next couple of years to get back out on the field and do some good things.
If Gardner goes - which I still think he won't because he waited so long to get this position, and leaving after 13 (14) + 5 games under his belt as a starter would seem premature - this offense will be incredibly YOUNG in '14. I know it will be skillful (on paper and recruiting charts) but damn - so young. And prone to a ton of error from that youth. The key losses are Fitz, Gallon, Dileo, Lewan, Schofield.... and potentially Devin. That is all the front line skill players and our tackles. No matter what happens at the skill positions our leader on the OL becomes RS sophomore Kalis. Our most experienced WR (unless I am missing someone) is Chesson - he of zero catches but 1 epic block. Or heck Northfleet. And we have the RB freshman tandem back next year along with the Rawls, Hayes, Johnson trio. That would be the 2nd most experienced position group. And Shane as the in line starter at QB. Only the TEs would have serious experience (and the interior line) Fast forward a year from then (the 2015 team) and it could be a special and still young offense but the 2014 version is a bit scary. What Lewan did for the entire team and especially offense is stablize what could have been a troubling situation at the OL - 4 new starters, and 4 underclassmen. I have no idea if he took that into consideration for coming back, but Devin will be facing a similar situation in half a year.
What if Russell becomes our quarterback Gibbons, and in a year or two he suddenly becomes awesome?
Bellomy's performance against Nebraska is really fascinating to me. It was just so . . . human.
Every one of us fans has looked down at those college kids on the field in front of 60, 80, 100 thousand fans and wondered how they keep their nerve. How they can even function, much less perform at world-class levels. I've imagined how I would react if I were out there, and I've concluded that I'd just turn into a ball of goo, lose fine motor skills, and be completely overtaken by acute stress response. Yet even 18-year-old freshman, making their first ever appearance in the college game manage to go out there and not trip over themselves and not fumble the ball away as soon as they touch it. It's always been amazing to me how these kids perform despite the extraordinary surroundings.
Except Bellomy didn't. Bellomy played like a normal person would play being thrust out there for the first time. He went in a shell. Threw the ball into the ground over and over. Threw it blindly up for grabs. He locked up. It's really the only instance I've ever seen of a college football player just completely coming undone. Very curious to me.
Fascinating to watch. Hopefully he isn't really as fragile as he appeared vs. Nebraska. I'd like to see him succeed.
Did he get significant garbage time in earlier on? I can't remember.
If the answer is "no," then that might be part of the problem.
that he is a solid QB and was just young, the type that would be a solid rs jr/sr QB so he needs tune. In fact. he doesn't get hurt and Morris redshirts, imo. Though, until this article I had him chalked up for a transfer.