Now that Hopson is out, who gets the job now? I honestly have absoulutely no idea, and thus am very interested in your opinions.
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Brilliant!!! Sign him up
When does he start
I read it in the Sun-Times...
Stoops is a solid plan-b in the unlikely event that Bill Belichick declines the job. I've also heard Pete Carrol has indicated some interest in the position
i was thinking of possible choices and realized that chris spielman is not a coach, yet he was interested in the osu job back when tressel got it. spielman will eventually be a coach and would do a great job as our lb coach but he would never want to coach for michigan because of the whole osu thing
Bo coached at OSU before Michigan and Moeller played there.
In a world where Spielman coached and was up for a position coaching, um, position, I could totally see him going to UM. Coaches go to rival schools all the time. First there's Bo, Darrell Royal played and coached at OU before he went to Texas, Kyle Wittingham went to BYU before ending up as Utah's HC, Bielema played at Iowa and still has a Hawkeye tattoo on his leg. If Spielman were to coach, I think he would have no problem going to Michigan. He's beloved in Detroit from his Lions days anyway.
Tim, I've looked at your avatar for the last year and a half now ... can you please tell me what/where it's from? Thanks!
Haha, it's Tim Waymen! It's time to get a new avatar, but it's too perfect.
It's the only picture I could find of myself from my biopic The Program.
Not a good flick. But it was an experience seeing it in Ann Arbor, probably the only town in America where when The Program's Program loses to Michigan, the crowd at the theater erupts in cheers.
And I'm sure Bo ranks that as one of his top five most proud moments. :-) Probably right behind beating OSU in '69, but ahead of his first Rose Bowl victory. Best part of that movie. (Because, you know, Halle Berry had too many clothes on).
"probably the only town in America where when The Program's Program loses to Michigan, the crowd at the theater erupts in cheers."
That's absolutely hilarious. I went with my roommate to see Big Fish in the theater when I was a junior at UM. As you people who have seen it know, there is a scene in which Ewan McGregor is given a key to the town and a marching band plays The Victors in celebration. My roommate did the clap/fist in the air thing, but unfortunately no one else did.
But I agree, The Program is a pretty awful movie, and Halle Berry is too clothed. One way they could have saved the movie was to have her strip naked and have sex doggy-style with Omar Epps/Mike Tomlin on a couch. Hell, just replace all her scenes with him with the sex scene from Monster's Ball. Maybe throw in some actual penetration. It worked for Caligula! (It didn't.)
Take a hint from these guys:
I can't remember ... did you win the Heisman that year?
I'm pretty sure it was Spielman who originally wanted to go to Michigan but his dad threatened to disown him if he went there. I saw it in that Michigan-OSU rivalry documentary on HBO.
That and Bo threw him out on his ass.
I think he's a class individual even if he did go to tOSU and I would be thrilled to see that happen.
Don't know if he'd be any good, but a former M linebacker now d-coordinator (and former linebackers coach) at Western.
A move from a coordinator position at a MAC school to a positional coach at Michigan is not even a lateral move, let alone a step up.
but stranger things have happened, he's a former great player that played and coached the position, it's the internet, let people dream it's closing in on Christmas.
.....there's a recent story from MLive that Cubit is considering firing Morrison (Google "Western Michigan Defensive Coordinator" and you should see it).
So he might be looking for a job soon.
Most people have been mentioning Corwin Brown.
Some guy on the scout freeboards mentioned a few names I know nothing about as possibilities
"Bob Fraser (Rutgers), Tyrone Nix (Ole Miss), Tony Tademy (TCU), Geoff Collins (UCF) or Mark Elder (CMU)"
Take that for what it might be worth.
i feel like thats a name we in the interwebs love to throw around, however, i dont see it happening as the move would be a step back (from DC - or at least co-dc- to LB coach...)
this of course is just my opinion. im assuming the end result, whoever it is, will not be someone any one of us are very familiar with.
Yes, his name seems to be the first one on many people's minds. But, even if he were willing to step back to be a position coach, how good of a coach is he? How much of Notre Dame's porous defense can be attributed to his coaching ability? He's a great recruiter, but, once the mighty 4 and 5 stars are here, we need to develop them, and that comes from coaching. Anyone else know more of his coaching history and/or track record before Notre Dame?
I say Tony Tademy If he can do with Michigan LB's what he's done with TCU's (I believe 4 first team all confrence 1 all american and a butkus awards finalist) Then the Michigan front seven will very soon be a force to be recond with in the big ten!
While I'd be thrilled with Tyrone Nix, don't sleep on Mark Elder. He's the dark horse in that group, but he was a Michigan Grad Assistant with some of our best linebackers ever, has done well at CMU, and is known for his attention to technique (something we desperately need).
The hire has to be someone who Rodriguez trusts and is comfortable working with. He's completely struck out on his initial outside hires and given his current situation, there's no way he'll risk hiring someone he doesn't know personally. So that's quality number 1. I would say quality number 2 has to be someone who can actually coach, a person with a proven track record of actual success. That takes Corwin Brown out for me. Yes he's a great recruiter and defensive recruiting this year has been a little disappointing, but there are more immediate concerns on defense. They have to improve right away or else 2010 may be it for Rodriguez.
Tyrone Nix is a fine candidate, but he's head coaching material. Don't be surprised to see someone who knows Rodriguez personally or who he's coached against. Another face from the Big East is a possibility.
Hopson was the recruting coordinator, so if you get corwin AND someone else. That would be a treat
Hopson may have been one at one of his previous stops.
When you said "defensive recruiting this year has been a little disappointing" you were talking about Notre Dame, right? Because if you were talking about Michigan:
Conelius Jones (likely)
With Grimes, Murphy, Parker, Beachum, Hankins, Black, Mackall, and a couple of others still in the mix.
That is not disappointing. This is a top 12 class now without the final crop of kids.
Great point. Just out of curiosity, how come you spell out everyone's first name except for the two "T. Talbott's"?
It's just been my habit. I think those two guys are going to get the "full first and last name treatment" on their jerseys, because the shortest you can go in identifying their first names is:
Perhaps a different identification system is in order -
DT Talbott and CB Talbott?
It'll probably be something like "TY. TALBOTT" and "TN. TALBOTT."
And don't forget Josh Furman our latest commitment.
Geoff Collins has been at UCF for two years and is also the recruiting coordinator. Before that he was at Alabama as something Nick Saban called the Director of Personnel, which his bio indicates was a recruiting position. So we have an evidently a good defensive coach (former DC at Western Carolina) with a particular expertise in LB's. Also a strong recruiting background in the southeast. Not bad.
Mark Elder is younger but he too has been a DC, at Wayne State before going to Michigan as a defensive Grad Assistant. Must know the midwest fairly well from a recruiting basis.
I'll vote Collins but I'm sure the guy RR hires will be someone nobody is mentioning.
I'd be surprised if a LB coach search turned up very many recognizable names. Would be great if I'm wrong.
Sam Sword or Ian Gold come to mind. Not sure if they can coach, but both were very good players. I would gladly take Larry Foote if he were to retire now, but he still has some good years in him.
As for Corwin Brown, he was demoted this year and was basically the DB coach with a glorified title of Co-DC. Even if it is a step down, which I don't believe it is, it's much better then being unemployed.
i like the sam sword idea. he seems like the kind of guy that could potentially be a good coach, but he would have to deal with g-rob's system
Sam was a grad assistant coach under Lloyd. But I think he gave it up.
And his brother's a high school coach...
Wow I guess if his brother coaches a bunch of teenagers then he must be a good coach too
I'm sure it's most likely to be someone we've never heard of.
Upside: I can't see them being a worst coaching/recruiting combo than Hopson.
If I'm not mistaken, Brown was also a special teams coach at one point in his career. I wouldn't mind seeing GERG more involved with the LBs and having Brown as an assistant LB coach and dedicated special teams coordinator.
I don't think Brown did any worse as DC than Tenuta. Brown was forced to work with one of the all-time worst offenses in school history in 2007 and yet his D was somewhat competent.
I don't believe Urban Meyer or Pete Carroll has said no.
So you're saying there's a chance...
doing a quick search, i'd say Elder has gotta be the #1 candidate.
Id like that hire if we got Elder. First, he has Michigan ties. Second, he was great LB coach when he was here(we were 11-2 when he was here). Does anyone know of his recruiting skills?
Mark Elder sounds perfect. He was the LB's coach at UM in 05 and 06, when he worked with Harris and Crable. Plus he has that connection through Butch Jones, a RR disciple. I almost wouldn't be surprised if RR sprung for him tomorrow.
If he was our LB coach, why would he leave to be the LB coach at CMU (where he is now)? Seems like it happened before RR was hired, so would something prevent him from coming back? I just don't know the back-story.
Elder was a grad assistant.
It would be great to have more Michigan men on staff. Not a shot at our current coaches, but I do think it helps
Actually, Jim Herrmann was the LB coach in 2005, and Steve Szabo in 2006.
Thank you for finding actual coaches that are possible gets. We need a great LB Coach; not just anyone who was a great LB player.
No, seriously. Actually, Groh probably will get better offers, i.e., a DC job somewhere, but seriously: the man is a linebacker fiend. He knows what the hell he's doing when it comes to linebackers. RR ought to at least drop a line.
I'd take Spielman in a heart beat, but I don't think it would happen in a million years. And Bo didn't coach at OSU, it was Miami (OH) under Woody.
Bo was a grad assistant at OSU under Woody in 1951-52 (He earned a masters from OSU) and then was Woody's assistant from 1958-1962(?) at OSU.
Everyone makes mistakes but not knowing Bo worked under Woody at OSU is ground for dismissal from the UM fanbase. I suggest you get yourself a Mich book over the holidays and brush up on some football history.
This is like calling yourself a Star Wars fan and saying Darth Vader was Luke's half brother from another marriage.
All together Key? TJ? Coach?
COME ON MAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I'm still waiting for the knowledge to chime in.
that THE KNOWLEDGE
will be telling us that Michigan has parked a U-hual full of $ in Vanderlinden's driveway and is waiting for him to open it for Christmas.
In this case I am perfectly willing to volunteer myself for the greater good.
I think it would be cool if we got Ron English! There's no chance of that happening though...
Chuck Amato, was the LB coach at FSU the past two years, and was recently canned by Jimbo Fisher. He was previously a HC at NCSU, and would have recent recruiting ties to Florida.
The NC State fans in my neighborhood were at the head of the line with tar, feather and pitchfork in hand when they ran Chuckie boy out of town.
I'll assume your being sarcastic. For the unknowing, Amato didn't do much at NC State but drive around a red 'Vette and loose games, his recruiting was suspect, and he doesn't buy us a new recruiting patch.
What does this have to do with Amato being our linebackers coach?
I agree that Chuck Amato won't be our linebackers coach, but his competence as a head coach has nothing to do with his abilities as a position coach. Mike Martz was a great offensive coordinator, but he sucked as a head coach. Marvin Lewis was a great position coach and coordinator, but his results as a head coach have been mixed.
So what if he was ridden out of town at NC State?
However, while I agree with you and Magnus, he does have some upside.
He's a decent recruiter, and while Florida is not "new to us", it certainly would help to have another "southern" prescence. He would have ties all the way from NC to FL.
Also, as pointed out, he was promoted to a level of incompetance. He got to be a head coach by being GOOD at levels below that, which is what he'd do here.
Charlie Wiese is a Defensive Genius !
I believe Jeff Genyk (former EMU head coach) is still in Ann Arbor while doing some broadcast work for ESPN. Before becoming HC at EMU he was, among other things, LB coach at Northwestern as well as their recruiting coordinator.
He may not be a recruiting heavyweight, but he's certainly got experience (and yeah, I know EMU wasn't great while he was there, but it could have been worse -- see 2009).
I've got the 2005 media guide, and he's listed as quality control coordinator. Jim Herrmann was the DC and linebacker coach. Sam Sword was a GA for outside linebackers. On the UM Bentley library site for the football program, Elder is not even listed among the assistant coaches for either 2005 or 2006. When Herrmann left to be the LB coach for the Jets in 2006, Steve Szabo came in to coach the LBs for the 2006 and 2007 seasons.
Who in the right mind would take this job.
now that he knows what it's like to run Tressel-ball.
Darren Rizzi is currently coaching for the Dolphins; he left Rutgers in 2007, to become head coach at Rhode Island.
Mark Elder looks solid but not spectacular.
Geoff Collins appears to be the best fit and a high impact addition. Monster recruiter everywhere that he has been. Two years ago as director of player personnel at Alabama (YTA) he presided over the #1 recruiting class in the country, and the year before that at Ga. Tech performed similar miracles to bring them their highest ranked class ever.
On the field he has been a successful DC in the Southern Conference and seems to have done a fine job at UCF coaching linebackers (he is also their recruiting coordinator).
Has ties to UCF coach O'Leary since Ga. Tech days, but UM would be such a big step up that he would hopefully take it.
Uber Recruiter with Southern ties more than fills the void that Hopson left on that front and fits well with RR's focus on Florida. Great results on the field at lower levels bode well for a return to the days when Michigan LB's struck fear into the hearts of their opponents (not of their fans). Could possibly be groomed for DC when Gerg retires. Check it out at ucfathletics.cstv.com.
As a UGA fan, we can always nab John Jancek. He was recently fired from Georgia with Willie Martinez but he not only has some SEC roots but also coached at GVSU with Brian Kelly and also at Central Michigan. I also know John personally - his wife worked with my mom in the GR area. I wouldn't be surprised if Michigan called him. He was a good recruiter at UGA (one reason why I think Richt kept him) but he consistently got the blame, much like Hopson did here. Then again, he coached a Willie Martinez defense...
I wouldn't be surprised. He might be in line to coach with Kelly at Notre Dame but if Kelly doesn't give him a call, we should take a look, IME.
I'm assuming Casteel would have come already if he was interested, but Bill Kirelawich might be a possibility. Of course, he too might have been in Ann Arbor already if there was mutual interest.
his kids were happy in morgantown and are school aged. its too bad because, while the talent and depth on the d side of the ball have been the main culprits to the fail on that side of the ball, the lack of coaching familiarity and continuity has certainly contributed.
This one needs to be a GERG hire.
Long shot, but I say we give Ron Vanderlinden (Albion grad and current Penn State LB coach) a call.
Just checked the current class for UCF as per Rivals and they have two 4 star and ten 3 star commitments so far. That is USC-like for a CUSA school.
When all is said and done I am more interested in how our new coach will produce results on the field, but recruiting chops like these cannot be ignored. Thanks again to "Beavis" for bringing this guy to our attention - now get the message to RR.
People who will probably not accept our linebacker coaching job:
- Former NFL head coaches (Al Groh, for example)
- Former college head coaches (Chuck Amato, for example)
- Former major college defensive coordinators (Corwin Brown, for example)
You had never heard of Jay Hopson, Tony Dews, Tony Gibson, Bruce Tall, or Greg Frey prior to their arrival at Michigan. You probably shouldn't expect a famous football name to show up and be a position coach, unless it's an ex-player who's on his way up through the coaching ranks.
I was talking to a coaches son today, and he told me that Michigan's number one candidate is the NY Giants LB coach. I don't know what effect the firing of Bill Sheridan has on that, but that's the last I've heard on the issue.
Jim Herrmann! I'd personally love for him to come back. He's not taking the defense over, he's just going back to his roots at LB. Herrmann played and coached LB at Michigan, and has been coaching in the NFL since his departure from Michigan after 2004.
We're going to need a Michigan Man w/ the likely departure of Fred Jackson from the staff. I think Herrmann would bring a wealth of experience, intensity, and Michigan attitude that we need in the coaching ranks.