I think our College of Kinesiology is great for a lot of athletes. Many of them go on to become coaches. Kinesiology is perfect for that, especially when combined with a general education at Michigan.
Michigan/OSU Football Player Majors Full Breakdown
So, I'm sure everyone has seen the sign that OSU has in their football building comparing the majors of Michigan and OSU football players. The list seemed awfully small and incomplete to me, so I decided to look into the numbers myself. I got my info from the Sugar Bowl Media Guide and from OSU's 2011-2012 Football Information Guide (strangely enough, OSU's website listed no media guide from their losing effort to John Brantley in the Gator Bowl). You'll be unsurprised to learn that "Baseball America rated [Joe Bauserman] as having the best changeup in the Pirates' farm system." I would've thought it was his knuckeball, but changeup is pretty hilarious too. You really can't make this stuff up.
|Major||# of players|
|Afro-American and African Studies||4|
|Brain, Behavior and Cognitive Science||2|
|Arab, Armenian, Persian, Turkish and Islamic Studies||1|
|Business Administration - Ross School of Business||1|
|Cellular and Molecular Biology||1|
|Master of Social Work||1|
|Masters of Accounting - Ross School of Business||1|
|Naval Architecture and Marine Engineering||1|
|Physics and Mathematics||1|
I didn't break up Kinesiology School students, but if I did it'd be a split of about 65/35 between Sport Management and Movement Science, with maybe one Physical Education thrown in.
|Major||# of players|
|Sport and Leisure Studies||7|
|Family Resource Management||7|
|Management and Industry||4|
|Construction Systems Management||1|
|Fisheries and Wildlife Management||1|
|Middle Childhood Education||1|
|Real Estate and Urban Analysis||1|
A couple of notes. First, the hilariously named "exploring" is apparently not a major but a way for undeclared kids to take a survey of a variety of courses. Sounds eerily similar to a General Studies major, doesn't it? Second, Joe Bauserman is your Fisheries and Wildlife Mangement major. Third, "famiy resource management" isn't as much of a joke as it sounds like, appearing to be basically a watered-down finance or financial planning degree that tells you how not to lose all the money, cars and tattoos that you accrue.
I was going to make this a diary (and still might) and try to add to the discussion started by Ramzy's take, but I've got stuff to do. All I'll say for now is that I'm pretty sure the reason you don't see more business or engineering students on Michigan's roster is the incredibly difficult admissions standards of those schools.
What in the hell is "Family Resource Management"? I went to the (very poorly designed) website and couldn't find a description of the major anywhere. Sounds like Home Economics to me.
The Family Financial Services Specialization focuses on financial planning with emphasis on family financial management rather than corporate finance. Study in this option prepares students for careers related to helping families and individuals reach financial goals through effective management of financial resources. Specific topics of study include general financial planning; use of insurance, credit, savings, and investment instruments to reach financial goals; and retirement and estate planning.
It seems like a lightweight finance degree to me. For my college, you can go online and see a "major sheet" which actually tells the world what classes were required for your degree; OSU doesn't seem to offer that.
Also, this is the description for "Family Financial Services". It looks like Family Resource Management is only offered as a graduate degree.
It sounds like a Primerica sales pitch.
jesus, osu, do us all a favor and try NOT to produce more PRIMERICA sales people.
I can't believe this is an accredited major. if it is, then the PRIMERICA sales course aught to rank in the top100 in USNEWS rankings
Times Higher Education world rankings for 2010-11
University of Michigan tied at #15
This is mostly due to the grad programs. Since we are a football board with a thread talking about undergraduate football players, that stat is a little misleading. While our undrergrad degree is still better than OSU's, the difference between #30 and #50 with undergrad degrees is a lot smaller than say the #5 and #25 grad program.
Looking at the list of majors is fascinating. I'd love to know who is in what field.
That most of the OSU majors up there sound like the names of high school classes
AND Urban Management? Wow..impressive..double major.
i graduated in '05 in cell and molecular bio so not sure now but I thought General Studies in LSA was 60 credits of 300 level classes and that seemed like no cake walk to me. Although i don't think there is a language requirement now. That always seemed harder to me the Kinesiology.
It seems harder because most of the time it is. I looked into getting a second major, either Soc or Gen Studies because of class overlap, and Gen Studies requirements looked considerably harder than my Econ degree.
Not only is it 60 credits of 300 level, you can't just focus on liberal arts or sciences - you have to include a minimum from both. I've always thought that Gen Studies was tougher from the POV that most majors can avoid classes/subjects they hate (English/history for science/math people, science/math for English/history people comes to mind) and still get a degree.
We can all harp on how much better of a degree Michigan is, because well, it is an infinitely better degree....especially for those who have gone through the stellar grad programs that are ranked amongst the world's elite.
With that being said, let's not try and pretend our players are that much more intelligent and taking way harder classes that those at OSU. This thread is basically showing us exactly what Harbaugh was talking about: The football players are rarely in real majors taking real classes. I understand that they have major time commitments, but they mostly have 5 years, with classes each summer. Personally, I found that list to be pretty surprising on the negative. Somehow, a lot of this board took this as a "aha....see how much more academic our players are."
Who is the player majoring in Arab, Armenian, Persian, Turkish and Islamic Studies? Interesting.
The reality is that time with the football program is close to a full time job year round. Honestly, the discipline and work involved in being BOTH a football player AND a college student is severe. I don't know that I could have done it.
I tutored for the Athletic department some time ago, and these lists are in flux all the time. When I was there, we had a a handful of pre-med/pre-pharm kids on the football team taking physics classes, and a couple of engin majors, too. It varies every year. But as a physics major, I'd say it's near impossible to finish a degree like that in 4 years anyway, much less if you have any committments outside of class.
One of the main things I learned while working there (besides all the NCAA rules for athletic employees like don't ever offer a ride to a player, or a cookie, no really, you will be fired) was that student athletes, no matter the sport, no matter the major, deserve a shit ton of respect. Their hours are insane and draining. All the players I worked with were totally impressive and working their butts off. So what if they have a GS major? If they do well enough and graduate? That's a pretty rad job. So three cheers from me for all student athletes.
so stupid as to ostracize the kids on his own team with "Undecided" or "General Studies" supposedly the pun here? This is a petty and feeble attempt at making Michigan look bad and he is REALLY reaching on this one. Furthermore, his own kids know what degrees are available to them, and it makes me wonder how the majority of his current 4 and 5 stars (probably currently Exploring) feel about this when they see this sign. I’m sure they realize “Exploring” is the equivalent of "General Studies." The more he does to publicize his disdain for Michigan, the less impressed I am with OSU's hire and the more I can see Michigan winning on the field over the next decade. He's putting down his own team here and anyone with half a brain can see that. Perhaps that's why nobody at OSU has picked up on this yet. A real laugh would be to see the majors of the multiple arrested former (and current) Florida players.