Accept the commitment as well
Michigan would still take Pocic [UPDATED: apparently not]
never can have too many lineman, but I doubt he commits with so many in front of him, but it would show the power of Michigan if we can get him to commit.
I'm not disagreeing with you here, but couldn't you be a little bit *too* stacked at the lines if you're devoting so many scholarships to depth that you start to be thin on the skill postiions? I don't think we're even close to approaching that stage - and maybe that was your point - but if every lineman in the country wants to play for Hoke, couldn't this be a concern down the road?
Trying to do the math
2 RS freshemen
4 True freshmen
Next year we'd be up to 13 counting this 5 men
Getting 6 this year would put us at 17, I remember Hoke saying he wanted 15 OL at all times, it'd be pretty cramped but doable, maybe he can switch someone to DL in the future?
While a switch to DL is possible, I expect with Mattison we'll consistently have top notch DL and linebackers. More likely with such amazing classes we'll start to lose them a year early to the NFL.
You don't add the seniors to the count since they leave. It would be 14 If they add Ethan. Abs who knows. Lewan could possibly leave early.
Abs knows football.
Exactly. We have 13 next year with 9 Soph/RFr or True freshman. If Pocic wants to join you let him. 2 years from now we will have 0 Sr/rJr linemen. Big hole you have to fill with younger kids. If that means we have 10 in 2 classes so be it. Load em up.
there is bound to be some attrition; at least 1 or 2 guys thru transfer or injury. there always is.
If Pocic committed before Kugler, he would have to compete with: two probable tackles in this class (one who some predict inside). If Pocic commits now, after Kugler, he would have to compete with: two probable tackles in this class (one who some predict inside). Kugler's commitment doesn't really change anything for Pocic's math, except providing a better chance for a solid interior line.
Great point. I think that is part of the reason they will let guys like Tunsil, Pocic or McGovern still commit.
I would hope so.
TomVH mentioned in his weekly update that the staff would take a commitment from any of the "Blue chip" OL we've been pursuing.
That makes sense considering we got 4 OL last year when we expected 5 or 6.
"We" got 5 last year, plus two or three long snappers.
Who was the fifth one?
as a walk-on?
I don't know what the "we" is all about, or what "we" you are talking about, but the "we" I talk about, took 4 OL last year - Kalis, Magnuson, Braden and Bars.
He must ignore all the information about AJ Williams coming in to play TE.
Or he ignored the fact that Caleb Stacey is signed with UC.
Could he mean Dan GIbbs?
Yes, he means Dan Gibbs.
I don't differentiate between scholarship players and walk-ons, let alone preferred walk-ons who turn down full rides from elsewhere.
For that same reason I consider Bo Dever to be part of the 2012 WR recruiting haul.
By he, do you mean you?
Also, since most people don't count walk-ons when talking about how many players we take in a recruiting class, when you correct someone like that, you look like a prick. Just sayin'.
It's OK. WolvinLA2 has more points. MGo Heirarchy.
That's tough, because we really don't even know several of the walk-ons until the roster comes out. I absolutely consider Gibbs a player, but in terms of numbers, it really isn't feasible to include EVERYONE.
Yeah, counting walk-ons, we have 12 OL coming back to go along with the 4 scholarship OL in the 2012 class, plus Gibbs plus whatever other walk-ons get there. We have a minimum 17 next year. Why the hell are we taking 5 or more this year? It's crazy!
Obviously that is a very silly way to look at it.
It makes sense to take another top rated OL since it is hard to project whether or not they will pan out.
With Braden and Kalis possibly playing this year, that spreads things out over three years, so it isn't unreasonable to think he might still sign up.
As long as we would still take Diggs I am fine with Pocic.
OMG, that is some funny shit! Diggs, haha, I get it!
If a top 100 player in the nation wants to commit you accept him. Get on board Pocic this train is rolling on with you or with out you!
"I don't care about stars. And I really don't. There are some five stars out there that I hope we play against." - G. Mattison
I like Pocic's film. He plays to the whistle and shows some decent foot work for a big man. It is hard to really gauge his strength because it looks like he is in a lesser division. The film of pancakes may not feature one guy over 230.
If he wants to come you'd be crazy to say no. Great position to have depth at- and we will have few players with experience to play.
What's the worst that can happen? Another OL decides to leave I suppose- although likely an inferior one.
Unless Hoke told recruits don't worry no more OL you take him.
Who is this inferior one you speak of?
I was speaking more generally- looking at this class not sure there is one- which is part of why I think there's not much downside to taking him.
I was thinking more generally that if you take more players at a position than expected early that the likely result is one of the lower ranked guys to perhaps leave thinking he won't play.
Just messing with you. I agree there isn't much downside to taking him but I also think that there isn't much upside either. Pocic to me, projects to right tackle, which a number of players that are highly regarded could also play. That is why I say Tunsil, who is a LT or a 3 LB or WR. Maybe even another QB.
So would your girl!
AJ to TE?
He was recruited as a TE so I'd think that's a pretty safe bet
I talked to Ethan on Monday and he told me the same thing. He also told me he didn't want it to go public. Too late I suppose.
Why wouldn't he want it to go public? So Tunsil won't take the 6th spot?
I don't think so. I'm not really sure why, he just asked me not to do an article on it because they didn't take his offer away, but took others' offers from them.
Fill your needs as best you can and then be even more selective when it comes to finishing off the class. Take the best available talent and worry about how they shake out later...with position switches, injuries and kids not living up to projected talent levels, it couldn't hurt to add a top 30 overall player.
Could ths be the reason for the update? Could Pocic have asked TomVH to change the story?
If Funk will take him, then he must have a "mean streak." Would love for the whole line to have a mean streak.
We'd take either as a 6th OL...from what I understand. That's it.
Why reach out to see if there's a spot or not ... if you don't care?
Wow, now I can see why oversigning is so tempting.
The whole concept was only theoretical for us, up until now.
This class has put it in a different light for me. I still think its a scummy thing to do, and I absolutely do not want Michigan to do it. But I can see where the temptation lies. We have a number of blue chip prospects interested in us, however, we don't have enough scholarships to fit them all. I'd love to take 4 linebackers—Levenberry, Gedeon, McCray and O'Daniel (all of whom have expressed great interest in Michigan)—but we can only take 3. I'd also love to take Pocic, or another stud TE, but I'm not sure what we have room for. I can see how it seems very tempting to schools with...erm...different moral standards **cough**SEC**cough**.
That being said, oversigning can sacrafice a kids future just for the sake of getting more recruits, and it's just not the Michigan way.
Because Kozan went to Auburn...
I see it updated, though I don't see a source...
Source is TVH (per the posts above, and aquaman confirms also a few above).
Shut up Meg..
We were going to take Caleb Stacey last year but that didn't happen. By the time these guys get here, we will have lost 4 more on the line. Of course we'd take Pocic. That's a no brainer. Off topic, one of my younger cousins is friends and goes to school with Ben Gedeon in Hudson and she says that the kid is an athletic freak of nature. This kid has been on my radar for well over a year now. Here's to hoping we get him! (and Levenberry)!