According to the Big Ten football twitter feed. Hoke is on a conference call with them now.
I would assume that a transfer with a final year of eligibility would be the only viable option.
I'm mostly concerned with scholly space. Aren't we still missing one scholarship spot right now?
Yes. We currently have 86 guys who need to be on scholarship by the fall.
Is there any possibility of getting a JUCO or graduate transfer as a preferred walk-on?
I don't think that there would be much of an incentive. Come play backup and have to pay for your own tuition is a tough sell.
But....but...this is Michigan...fer goshsakes.
It will take care of itself, they'll be at least a couple people leave after the spring. guaranteed
Does that include any walk ons who received a scholarship last year but may not this year?
Nope. Here's the list I'm using:
Sypniewski's scholarship was a maybe so they're at 85 right now, needing to be at that same number by the end of fall. The question whether one guy won't be on the squad anymore come 8/31 isn't really a question.
However at this point you almost have to count Burzynski and Kerridge as scholarships since they've been first string all spring. And the two departures that were expected to be announced at the start of Spring were not (which is why we don't announce those things).
So there is a bit of a scholarship crunch if they add one more guy.
I thought Sypniewski signed a LOI, which means Michigan is commited to giving him a scholarship?
Let me check my source. I was under the impression he didn't.
This makes it seem like he signed something: http://www.mgoblue.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/signing-day-2013.html But maybe it was a conditional LOI? Do those exist?
Can they do half rides? I know that is common at smaller d1 and d2 schools.
Anyone on scholarship counts as a full scholarship used, it's not divisible like hockey or softball or baseball.
Baseball does this right?
It's different though, like I mentioned in the comment above yours. Football gets 85 scholarships to give out, while a sport like baseball gets the cash value of twelve scholarships (not really, it goes by percent, but that's the easy way to think of it). If football gives a player a $100 scholarship, it still counts as 1/85.
Thanks JGB. My experience was with lacrosse and they must have a $ value to distribute just like baseball etc.
My experience with the percentage stuff (versus thinking dollars) was an accounting error that may have been made this summer which resulted in a refund check which hypothetically turned into food and drinks for a night. It was nice that a few tenths of a percent is an okay amount of dollars when dealing with big tuition numbers. (Hypothetically) good times.
What would Nick do?
This might not be necessary if the coaches had taken a QB in 2012.
So how's that horse beating going...
That horse deserves to be thrashed. I love and trust these coaches.... but they aren't perfect and they really blew that one. It's even more frustrating when amateurs like us could see it so clearly. Nonetheless, I say again, lest I be misuderstood, I would not trade these coaches for anyone in the country... and they are human.
Yeah, but it's been discussed on here so much that it's just common knowledge now.
It's not "common knowledge" if people are still arguing it further down in the thread...
Yes, but I imagine those are individuals who don't check the threads at work every hour. For some of us this is a very old topic.
And to beat my own dead horse, I would probably check touch the banner more often than not if you had the phone app...
The tail is still twitching.
Shavodrick Beaver I think he is available!
Agree, but I cut them some slack considering we needed so much of pretty much everything at that time. I think taking more linemen and passing up on the QB wasn't a terrible idea considering it pays get the linemen on campus and start developing them as quick as possible. Maybe they thought that if a QB got injured, they could then re-visit the JUCOs or grad transfers at a later date. Or perhaps they thought Morris would be more college ready than he is. Either way, I don't think there were many great senarios either way with the 2012 class considering the lack of depth everywhere.
they should have known Bellomy was going to tear his ACL, right?
Well you need to expect the unexpected
was a Roadhouse reference... you win!
No one expects the spanish inquisition!
Nope...but they should have known it was a possibility. This is what happens when you don't build depth. We have a zillion inside linebackers (Morgan, Ross, Jenkins-Stone, Jones, Gedeon, Ringer, Poole, Bolden) and go 4-deep at BOTH inside linebacker spots, yet we go only 3-deep at the most important position on the field. Should they have known Poole and Ringer were going to get hurt? No. But it didn't matter because they had other guys to insert and compete.
with that totally, however I'd say in their defense, having a pro-style QB like Bellomy- the chance for injury seems to be much less than a dual-threat QB such as Denard.
There's plenty of evidence that this isn't really true. You only need to look at Maryland's season last year to see the importance of QB depth.
Maryland would imply that we need 6+ QBs on scholarship, since everyone on that team who threw the ball got injured.
Only if you don't believe in statistical outliers.
you're referencing one team and that's fine. But don't tell me that a pro-style QB is just as injury prone as a dual threat. Look at Vick, look at Denard. The more hits you take from guys 30-100lbs more than you, the higher the chance is that you're gonna get rocked. C'mon man, let's use some common sense here. You're obviously just trying to play devil's advocate for the sake of playing devils advocate. Now, if you would have said 'Chuckie my man! A dual-threat is more elusive and can avoid sacks better so he may get hit abou the same as a big tree sittin back there..' you might've had something.
You know how I know you haven't been around very long? You still think that running quarterbacks are more likely to get injured than a pocket passer.
Someone (Mathlete?) did a study on it about 4 years ago and compared the average number of games missed due to injury based on 3 categories: pocket passers, mobile quarterbacks, and running quarterbacks. Basically, there was no correlation between mobility and injury rate. The thought was that maybe running quarterbacks get injured more often, but since they are likely to be able to dodge hits, their injuries don't keep them out as long, whereas a pocket passer is either healthy or out for the season due to some major injury from being blindsided. IIRC, the mobile quarterbacks fared slightly better, although it was not statistically significant. I believe the thought behind that was that mobile quarterbacks take fewer hits because they aren't running around, but they can also dodge big hits.
Anyway, there is no evidence other than your anecdotal "evidence" that running quarterbacks are injured more often than passing quarterbacks.
this doesn't make sense anyway but Bellomy isn't a pro-style QB...he has good wheels and they're a big reason why he was recruited in the first place
I really hope not having a viable backup doesn't force Borges into abandoning the pistol, zone read, QB draw, inverted veer, etc
I agree that we needed to take a QB in '12. You are one of the most outspoken about this. But it's over now, it can't be changed. I get it, and like I said, I agree with you.
I would rather have an outstandingly succesful defense and a painful-to-watch offense than vice versa. It sucks watching a crappy offense sputter up and down the field, but it sure beats watching opponents run the ball at will on us.
I agree that defense is more important, but I don't see why taking 1 scholarship away from the inside linebacker spots and giving it to another QB would have been an issue. I have very few problems with what this coaching staff has done, whom they have offered, how they have used scholarships, etc. compared to when Rodriguez was here. I used to question whom Rodriguez offered, his use of redshirts, his play calling, his defensive prowess, etc. But this QB thing has bugged me all along about Hoke, and outside of that, I don't have much to question.
Hey can't lose if they don't score.
Thanks. You're so helpful. I don't know what it would have mattered, you wouldn't have liked him anyway.
I would think of the graduate variety to get immediate eligibility. Any prime suspects?
JUCO transfers could play immediately, too.
Ah, that's right. Thanks, for some reason I thought they may have to wait and see if they would.
Only a few JUCOs left on this list.
That list is terrifying.
JUCO?! That is not the Michigan I know. What's next, taking players with sub-29 ACTs?!
So did Ricky Green
Right Herm, no one has ever transferred to Michigan before. Never. In the history of the school.
Somebody(s) needs their sarcasm meters calibrated.
Not that I believe Shane Morris wouldn't be ready, but redshirting him really helps us down the road.
Given Bellomy's injury, this makes sense to me. Help protect Morris's red-shirt. If, heaven forbid, something happens to Devin we have a true freshman and walk-ons.
Jameill Showers might be one name to watch. Duder was supposed to be the starter for Texas A&M last year, but that obviously didn't go his way. I know he graduated and intends to transfer as a grad student, although I don't know if he'll want to trade one backup situation for another.
He was a three-star prospect and is primarily a throwy-guy who can run a little. I'm not sure if he played at all last year.
Womp womp. After researching this for a little bit, he announced he would be transferring to UTEP about two weeks ago. Nothing to see here.
A quick google searched returned Drew Allen, who's graduating from OU and looking to transfer. 3 Star recruit, I don't know anything about him, but he's looking at the likes of Maryland and Arkansas State, so I'd have to think he'd entertain Michigan.
I don't have time to dig around but I think Drew Allen is pretty much locked up at NC State. He wants to start somewhere.
I don't have time to dig around but I think Drew Allen is pretty much locked up at NC State. He wants to start somewhere.
but you do have time to double post?
Our depth chart right now is:
So basically panic if Gardner goes down. Morris is highly ranked, but nothing about his past season leads me to believe he's going to be able to step in immediately and play at a high level
This most definitely does not end in
NEED MOAR QBs
Angelique Chengelis has a small write-up on the situation here (HERE).
It mentions the current depth chart, more or less, as being Gardner, then Cleary then Swieca. Here is Hoke's exact quote from the Big Ten Conference Call:
"I think that's something we've looked into and will continue to address," Hoke said Wednesday on a Big Ten conference call, when asked about the JUCO and graduate-transfer options. "At the same time, you've got to feel good about the guys that are in the program, the guys who know the system, but that's something that, yeah, we continue to look at."
As others have said, there really is no downside to this avenue.
There is really no downside to this, assuming we have schollie space. This is a no brainer.
We could send Wisconsin the rights to two 2015 recruits and a future draft pick, for one of their postgraduate quarterbacks. If, that is, the Badgers are looking to clear space under the salary cap.
What about Gunnder Kiel? Is he still floating around out there?
He would have to sit out a year.
Not if he enrolled at a JUCO and then transferred!...ya that's not true, he'd still have to wait a year.
I don't think he has announced for any new school yet, but he would be an FBS-to-FBS transfer, so he'd have to sit out the 2013 season, anyway.
Couldn't he just eat a year of eligibility?
didnt he leave bc he knew he wouldnt play behind all the QBs there? he Lost the job to Golson, so he left. why woul dhe come here knowing he is gardners backup w 2 years left and shane coming in and then speight. he may be better then them ( we dont know) but clearly the kid seems scared to compete and wants a starting job handed to him.
What about Gunner Kiel? Is he still floating around out there?
Does Threet still have eligibility? Whaat, too soon? Too late?
I dont think i could take another year of Stevie Three(t) and out. Saw him play many times in HS and I honestly never thought he would be a D1 QB. Maybe it was his size that garnered the attention, but he was very underwhelming to me..And we all know how much the coaches care about my football opinion.
It would be nice it we could find a dual threat person as a change of pace and get some game action to guard against a worse case scenario.
Yes, I did realize you were being sarcastic and no one here misses him, including myself. I was just saying I couldn't believe he was ever a Michigan QB.
Get a clue, he's not coming back.
Before anyone else thinks of it, no, Tate is not NCAA eligible; he played pro ball in Canada last year.
There's gotta be a fourth fourth forcier brother right?
I don't know where he is or what he is doing, but he would theoretically have a year of eligibility left, right?
Nope, he played a little professional football, making him ineligible.
Do we even have a scholarship available? I thought we were at 86 right now - I counted 65 on the spring roster and 21 freshmen coming in this fall that didn't enroll early. We're one over and that's before taking a QB.
What about QBs from Penn State? Can't they transfer penalty free because of the NCAA sanctions?
I think just walk-ons and incoming freshmen.
Boldin from PSU. Local kid who got McGloined
Bolden transferred to LSU already.
After reviewing penn state's roster you are correct. They don't have anyone of interest.
So, my question is would any legit JUCO QB transfer in just to be a backup?
Michigan has only had two JUCO transfers that I can think of.
Russell Shaw & Austin Panter.
I don't even want to think about grey-shirting anyone...so yeah. Hope Gardner doesn't get hurt sounds like the strategy, which obviously isn't the optimal one. Unless another guy doesn't return to the program suddenly, which I also don't want to think about...
We already have a great QB enrolled at Michigan. Hoke just needs to speak with Red and see if he can borrow Copp. Remember he set all kinds of passing records at Ann Arbor Skyline.
That's a very interesting point.
First the good news:
I have 4 years of eligibility left & the heart of a champion.
The bad news:
That champions heart is surrounded by a fat, arthritic 48 year-old with only a rudimentary knowledge of football.
Buy your own helemt, and you're hired.
I know its not Michigan's style, but thank god. We need depth, and Shane ideally needs that redshirt.
With the talk if being over the scholarship limit by one, is Hagerup still on scholarship?
He's still on scholarship, but he's suspended.
JUCO might not be the way to go since they have trouble transfering credits. We will have to sell a 5th year guy on getting his masters from UM. And that might be hard considering most guys who the graduate transfer move want immediate playing time. What are the rules on an FCS/D2/D3 level guy with a couple years left transfering in?
I don't think he gets "it".
Hoke and co did what they thought was the best path, and now they are going to make adjustments to compensate for injury. I have no problem with any of this. I am just going to trust that Brady Hoke is going to find players when he needs them.
It's not like they are Wiscy, and trying to find a new starter this way every year.
Coach Hoke to his secretary: "Nancy, would you please get Coach Sabin on the line? I need a little advice . . . "
Will Hoke actually get these types of guys or will it be like recruiting where he sits and watches?? /s
David Cone. Get that pro-style magic cooking fast.
Two weeks before last season started, Syracuse changed its entire offense, went with a hurry-up scheme, made Ryan Nassib an NFL QB prospect and finished with an 8-5 record after beating Geno Smith and West Virginia in the Pinstripe Bowl.
IF (perish the thought), the worst happens at Michigan and no graduate transfers materialize at QB, could we see the Single Wing Offense with high school QB Jeremy Gallon and high school running back/point guard Dennis Norfleet alternating at tailback in the original Manball Attack?
Worst case scenario they play Shane this yeah and try to redshirt him next year if/when Devin comes back and Bellomy is healthy...
A.J. Derby out of Coffeyville C.C. in Iowa. 3 star, 6-4/255. A former Hawkeye QB as well.
My google search turned up that he:
a.) already transferred Arkansas
b.) has an arrest record
Guess they don't update the JUCO list very often.
Does Trey Burke throw a mean football?