However, I'm drunk as fuck. However, I'm a basketball expert.
Michigan vs. Wisconsin B-Ball Snowflakes and Post Game Open Thread
One out of two isn't bad for being drunk as fuck
I'm proud of how far the team has come (you all know we would have killed to be in this position a mere two years ago) with relying mostly on freshmen and a sophomore. Yeah it could be better, but it could be a whole lot worse too.
In the meantime, lets remember this: spring football starts tomorrow. The continued building and perfecting of the Greg Mattison Defensive Death Machine starts tomorrow. Manball starts tomorrow. Devin Gardner taking the next step starts tomorrow. The #1 recruit in America is visiting this whole weekend.
I know this is a basketball thread, but there's a lot for us to look forward to.
Killed to watch a team that appears overwhelmed against any team with interior presence, panics and rushes shots, plays matador D, and is hyper reliant on one player. Gotta disagree with you here chief. The record is nice, but let's face it the ranking is, at best, a crazy mirage.
Some of us, abeith a minority, like Michigan's basketball team more than the football team. So when someone straight up dismisses a particular aspect of the bball team;s failures by saying that football is just around the corner, it can be seen as derisive to those of who have been following basketball with unbroken attention.
Not trying to diss the basketball team at all. Now granted, I pay more attention (admittedly, a ton more) to the football team than I do the basketball team. Not because I don't care about the basketball team, but I just grew up watching football, and didn't really care for basketball in any facet until I went to UM. I'd kill for the basketball team to win a national title, but my personal preference for what I watch is and always will be football.
I know a lot of people on this board are incredibly pissed off or depressed with the team's performance right now. I was just trying to offer any kind of cheering up that I could. So, while I see your point, my point was that even on crappy days like this, there's a lot for us as UM fans in general to look forward to. There's football news, there's the NCAA tournament just on the horizon, etc.
I'm gonna pull out a quote from former women's coach Kevin Borseth:
''Damn sick and tired of getting out rebounded. Maybe we should put on some pads like that guy at Oklahoma State.''
Maybe that's what this team needs. Strap on pads and hit each other.
Heading to YouTube now for the inspiration.
Will be sad to see best M point guard ever bow out of the tourney so early.
Doesn't agree with this
He has a ring.
I think he pawned it
The best point guard in the country can't be putting up 22 shots for 19 points - some of that is on him (shot selection) but some of that is due to the struggles of GR III and Morgan. I think that we need to work Biefeldt into the equation for minutes and maybe increase the minutes for Horford. I know this might seem extreme for how late in the season it is, but the lack of confidence on the part of Morgan and GR is palpable and if nothing else will drive everybody to work harder and compete for minutes.
Plain bagel with soft cream cheese. Very simple and how I prefer it...
Today, I was reading the Chris Webber section in the Bill Simmons Book of Basketball. At the time, it was just something to skim through as I waited for the game to start. But it became more and more relevant as the game went on. The crux of Simmons argument is Webber had the potential to be one of the top 30 players but ended up in the 70s. An acomplishment to be sure, but his career ultimately was about unfulfilled potential and bad breaks. That "waste" ends up being perplexing and infuriating because we feel like we would've worked harder.
Ultimately, I think that's the board's attitude towards this team. We loved last years team because they didn't seem like they should've won a Big 10 title or been a 4 seed but through grit and determination, they made it happen.
This version is the exact opposite. They have all the talent in the world, but lack the heart/experience/balls/understanding to fully maximize that potential. Which ends up frustrating us as fans because we see what they can do and watch in horror as they again and again fall short.
I just read some stuff Stauskas said after the game. Basically, he said that when he doesn't make shots, he stops playing defense, because he's stuck on not making the shots, and can't move past it. I think that's what we're seeing from the freshmen, especially him and GRIII. This is my 12 year old son exactly. When he's playing badly (baseball and basketball), he just stops playing. He forgets that there's a team he's playing on, and a game that still hasn't been won yet. That's the immaturity part, the freshmen part. I've been frustrated with the whole "we have a bunch of freshmen, what do you expect?" argument, but now I get it. That's a huge piece of the growth/development puzzle - being able to stop focusing on yourself so much, and just play your role when things aren't falling your way.
This is very interesting to hear. I would think that most of that singular focus would begin to erode during high school. I mean, what better way to make your next shot than to shut down the opponent on the other end as soon as possible to get the ball in your own hands and make your production count towards your team winning? My only issue is, I see guys giving up/playing very undisciplined D very frequently who are not freshman. This would make it seem that there are other contributing factors here.
I definitely think there are other factors here. But having seen this in my own kid, I recognize it as having a pretty big effect on how you bounce back during a game, which seems to be a big issue with this team. If you're Stauskas or GRIII, you're the star in high school. So you come into Michigan thinking you're going to be amazing in every game, and then you're not. This is a big mental jump, and some people get that quickly and adjust, and others don't. Some never do.
I just thought it was interesting that Stauskas verbalized this issue - it makes a lot of sense given some of the struggles the team has had, and why we keep saying, they're not playing defense.
I blame it on the shorts.
and when I say Beaker I mean that Bruesewitz. I don't know how to imbed pictures on here. where's our pride? Losing to gumpy looking kids from Minnesota and Wisconsin. This is so embarrassing. . .
enough excuses. effort and coaching, that's what these young lads need. with the talent on this team, at the beginning of the season, i thought anything less than final four would be disappointment. well, regular season is over and no banners are to be had. one seriously has to question the leadership of this team if they don't represent in the tournament. with another first round exit, we should give our gratitude to JB and find another coach who can recruit, coach 'em up, and values toughness. yeah, i said it.
runs by Izzo, Coach K, Self, Boeheim are luck. Ryan's 11-1 record vs Beilein isn't luck.
The #1 ingredient is talent and #2 is grit. I'm not convinced our talent is as superior as many others suggest, but our grit is lacking. The team's intensity varies greatly - it was nonexistent the 1st half today.
Ultimately, Beilein is responsible for fielding either so much talent or talent + grit to win the B1G. I don't care how he gets it fixed, but 1-11 isn't Michigan standard.
big ten wins the past two years:
26 - msu and osu
25 - UM, IU
24 - wisky
so we finally get to the top of the BIG and are a tip in from consecutive BIG titles and people question the coach's ability and/or direction of the program. and if IU loses its 4 key players, UM will likely be the favorites to win the BIG next year along with msu.
Oh well it was a disappointing year overall for Michigan basketball but, I'm happy they gave me the opertunity to be disappointed. Hopefully the guys who stay learn from the 2nd half of this season and Trey has a great NBA career.
lol, this thread.
You guys are worse than IU fans when the Hoosiers lose. And thats saying a lot. I'm sorry. I'm not sorry
I get what you mean, I know a few IU fans: Crean is the greatest, Crean is a glorified cheer leader, Crean is the best, Fire Crean, Zeller is the second coming of Jesus, Zeller is a bum ...
compairing beilein to izzo. folks, look at msu's roster. they have at least one top 50 player in each class right now, except nix was in the 60s, per rivals.
UM has two top 50 players on its roster - GRIII and mcgary; both freshmen.
UM's highest senior is vogrich 130s. DMo was 70s but gone.
Juniors - Smotrycz 50s gone. Hardaway/Horford were 3*
Sophs - Burke 140s. Bundridge low 100s is gone.
If Smot stays, we probably win a couple of those close losses this year. A #4 that can hit the 3 and plays better D than GRIII. We just don't have talented experienced players. Our talent is all young.
Now think back to MSU. Remember how good nix, appling and payne were as freshmen? not very. is izzo a bad coach? he had some experienced talent ahead of these guys, like lucas, row and green, etc. he didn't have to throw them into the fire. he had a pipeline of talent.
how good was deshaun thomas as a frosh? or any # of osu players not named sullinger?
now, if you want to blame beilein for smot and DMo not being here, go ahead. but he is finally building a pipeline of talent. a great frosh class and 2013 will also be very good. 2014 is also likely to be good. you want question beilein's ability because his frosh aren't tearing it up, because hey there is kentucky.
is it frustrating the team doesn't play better D. yes, but that is expected out of freshmen. i remember douglas and novak saying that it takes a year for beilein's D schemes to sink in.
this team is now ready to compete for BIG and NCAA titles for the next several years and many of you are thinking of replacing JB. what a joke.
I haven't seen many people suggest replacing JB. If there's one or two consider that there were probably Alabama fans in 2010 suggesting Saban be replaced...
John Beilein deserves criticism today. Wisconsin shot 15% in the first half and we fucking lost the game. That being said, he is not on the hot seat and his coaching career will not be judged on this one game.
One area that is the most definite item to lay at the coaches feet is the lack of passion and effort. Stauskus and Robinson disappear and appear completely disinterested if they are not hitting shots early. If you are going to play them extended minutes, get them into positions with designed plays/cuts/looks to get them going....focus on cuts to the rim, etc, something to get them fired up and in the game.
At many points, they are playing tired, so if they cannot go with at least 90% plus effort on D and rebounding, get someone else minutes who is playing with that intensity level. Lavert and McGary both seem to go 100% with effort (just need to slow down with the ball in their hands and make good fundamental plays instead of staying at 1000mph on both ends).
One thing that I do find interesting is the lack of cohesion and celebration together, as well as the lack of team chemistry. I see big plays or shots being made and instead of celebrating with a team member, all to often I see players looking for crowd approval.
Also, there are far too many times where there is no cohesion at all on offense and it turns into catch it and chuck it one on one games with long fade-away shots or shots with defenders tight for no apparent reason. Also, given the propensity for having the three players not involved in the high screen sitting out at the 3 point line, it also leads to having no one anywhere near an offensive rebound either.
These are all good kids, but I think that they need more energy, focus and leadership from the bench and when one of them starts to get into a funk, sit them down and talk them through it and I think that should also apply to Burke and Hardaway.