Only one l...but the kid on the broadcast called him don-neLL like 10 times in 20 words.
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Michigan vs. Wayne State (exhibition) OPEN Thread
November 4th, 2013 at 10:08 PM
#202
Me too...
November 4th, 2013 at 9:52 PM
#203
79-60
Final.
November 4th, 2013 at 9:52 PM
#204
Would have liked to see more of Donnal
The thought of Bielfeldt trying to guard Adreian Payne scares the bejesus out of me
November 4th, 2013 at 9:56 PM
#205
Unless they're fouling, the
Unless they're fouling, the thought of anyone not named Mitch McGary guarding AP scares me.
November 4th, 2013 at 9:59 PM
#206
Wait...
Are you suggesting that Donnel can guard him?
He's not even going to play this year.
November 4th, 2013 at 10:01 PM
#207
I'm suggesting
That I would have liked to get a longer look at what he brings to the table. The exhibition games were the only chance for that. We already know what we have in Bielfeldt.
November 4th, 2013 at 10:10 PM
#208
Understood.
However, I can tell you know...he's not the answer vs. Payne. He needs about 15 more lbs to even THINK about seeing the floor in the B1G.
November 4th, 2013 at 10:40 PM
#209
That's fine
But if he can bring a sweet stroke or offensive skill, that could mitigate it. I phrased it incorrectly to begin with, but the point is right now it seems like our big's are McGary and JAG's (Morgan's defensive skills notwithstanding). Would have been nice to see if the 4-star 6'9" shooter we got could provide a punch somewhere in the frontcourt.
November 4th, 2013 at 9:53 PM
#210
very sloppy performance
very sloppy performance
November 4th, 2013 at 9:57 PM
#211
10 "Quick" Thoughts
1. Don't care about the score...but the play was too sloppy for my liking
2. We didn't run much offense in these two exhibition games. We really struggle in the halfcourt (but we're VERY dangerous on the break)
3. Morgan and Horford shouldn't play together...however, I'll let it go because this allowed GRIII to get time at the 3 and Stauskas time at the 2.
4. Spike needs to start until Walton Jr. can gets enough experience to become more assertive.
5. Irvin is going to be streaky...I see THJ 2.0 except he won't get as many shots and won't be relied on as the 2nd best player on the team.
6. We need to run more ISO and offense through Stauskas and GRIII when we're in the halfcourt. They're both more of a mismatch than we give them credit for.
7. Morgan and Horford still have hands of stone
8. GRIII still hasn't quite established himself as the leader, but it's clear he's trying
9. LeVert is much improved and plays the game at a MUCH better pace
10. We haven't found a "go to" lineup yet
Bonus - Our team defense isn't what it was last year or can be...but we've got the athletes to get it there.
November 4th, 2013 at 10:25 PM
#212
Correct me if I'm wrong....
But half way through the B1G season, wasn't the team's lack of interior defense a huge complaint?
November 4th, 2013 at 10:43 PM
#213
We didn't run much offense in
We didn't run much offense in these two exhibition games. We really struggle in the halfcourt
I didn't see the Concordia game, but given that we scored 117 points in it, I can't imagine that we struggled much in the halfcourt game. (Yeah, Concordia is no good, but still, how often do college teams reach triple digits?)
November 4th, 2013 at 11:37 PM
#214
Disagree on Spike. Walton is the far superior
Disagree on Spike. Walton is the far superior defender, and that will get him the starting nod.
November 4th, 2013 at 9:58 PM
#215
hmm....
Without any real options inside, the only answer might be to jack up a bunch of 3s and hope for the best. And if we all remember, that is not a good answer. I am now afraid for this team and the possibility for a very long year. Without McGary, this team is a borderline top 25 squad.
November 4th, 2013 at 10:02 PM
#216
I agree about McGary
I agree about McGary but I hope your opinion has little to do with tonight's game.
November 4th, 2013 at 10:21 PM
#217
a little bit
it does have a little bit too do with tonight's game. if Wayne State can hold us scoreless for lengthy periods of time, imagine what it's going to be like when we play actual competition.
November 4th, 2013 at 11:11 PM
#218
One year
Syracuse lost an exhibition to Le Moyne and ended up being the number 1 overall seed in the tournament (ended up losing to a Gordon Hayward-led Butler runner up). Last year, Michigan lost to Penn State and ended up in the championship. A bad game does not define a team.
That said, rather than look at the score or surface trends, the only really disturbing thing was the play of the bigs. Horford's hands are not very good and Bielfeldt is not exactly a world-beater. I was impressed with Morgan, but McGary needs to come back.
The rest of it I can chalk up to sluggishness. This is not like the Akron or UConn football games (systemic failure that is a sign of impending doom). This was just a young team that decided to coast.
November 4th, 2013 at 10:04 PM
#219
lol
What a crock of crap...
This team is legit...they're just young. However, unlike football...they have PROVEN young talent.
This is still a top 25 team.
If we had to play without McGary, Coach B would just have to have a closed door meeting with GRIII and tell him sorry son, you're playing PF this year so we can get the best players on the floor.
November 4th, 2013 at 10:19 PM
#220
even still
ok, this team does have some proven young talent. but without consistent scoring (burke) or leadership (mcgary if out for extended periods of time) is going to hurt this team. talent can only take you so far. just ask Kentucky.
November 4th, 2013 at 10:28 PM
#221
We don't have near the talent Kentucky has
But we have a much better coach. They just have a bigger program, a ton more history, great facilities and great recruiters.
X's and O's I'll take Beilein over most anyone in the country. Not to throw football under the bus, but you can't say that about Hoke.
We didn't have the most talented team last year and look where we got. And look where we got without Burke playing like the player of the year and THJ struggling for most of the tournament.
I'll take Beilein and this team without McGary and watch it be a more than decent team. Hell, I'd say it would be better than say an NC St of last year.
It still has 1 NBA lottery player and 2-4 other guys that may play in the league to go with a great coach.
Don't get me wrong, we NEED McGary if we want to do anything. But it's not like where we'd be without Burke in previous years.
November 4th, 2013 at 10:43 PM
#222
Yeah
Compare this team to Morris' sophomore season (Duke last-second shot) and the talent difference is striking. Morris is the only player on that team who would start on this team (I think sophomre Stauskas would start over freshman THJr., but even if you disagree that's only two starters).
Without McGary, this looks like a sweet 16 team.
With McGary...well the sky's the limit
November 4th, 2013 at 10:32 PM
#223
McGary is the leadership for
McGary is the leadership for this team? Not the other 4 Sophs or Morgan or horford?
November 4th, 2013 at 11:09 PM
#224
Really young team? That have
Really young team? That have proven themselves and went to NC last year? I thought uofm football was the only college team with young guys who have no experience..hmmm :)
November 4th, 2013 at 10:14 PM
#225
Lol
Yeah because they had so many more options inside last year during the regular season (Mcgary made little to no imapact) and still came within a ball rolling off the rim of winning the best conference in the country
November 4th, 2013 at 10:24 PM
#226
because
it's because we had Burke. a consistent scoring option and he pretty much willed us to victories in some games that should have been losses.
November 4th, 2013 at 10:28 PM
#227
Oh relax everyone freaked out
Oh relax everyone freaked out when Morris left early especially since we had no backup with experience. Well be fine let the team gel the first couple games and remember we're missing arguably our best player. And honestly it's the big ten that counts in the end
November 4th, 2013 at 10:28 PM
#228
Fortunately, he does still
Fortunately, he does still play for this team.
November 4th, 2013 at 10:14 PM
#229
Fire Borges #beingadick
Fire Borges #beingadick
November 4th, 2013 at 10:25 PM
#230
no
No. You're a dick for using hashtags.
November 4th, 2013 at 10:22 PM
#233
When we get McGary back,
When we get McGary back, we're a legit top 5/10 team. exhibition games mean nothing. The year we won the big ten, we only beat Wayne State by 11 points.
November 4th, 2013 at 10:29 PM
#234
But...but...
.....
November 4th, 2013 at 10:30 PM
#235
It's an exhibition RELAX!
It's an exhibition RELAX! Good game played a whole buncha lineups plus I've learned not to under estimate beilein he knows wht he's doing. Plus unlike football, his players actually develop over time
November 4th, 2013 at 10:32 PM
#236
We'll be good. We'll be
We'll be good. We'll be really good this season.
November 4th, 2013 at 10:38 PM
#237
Lineup
Best five-man line-up sans McGary, expect to see these guys get the vast majority of minutes against ISU and in Puerto Rico:
Walton
LeVert
Stauskas
GR3
Horford
Those 5 were all at least +15 +/- tonight and no one else on Michigan's roster was positive. Beilein was experimenting with a lot of stuff but that's the way it's going to work out when the chips are down in a couple of weeks.
But this team can be a whole other beast swapping McGary for Horford.
Also for the poo-poo-ers. This is an exhibition: see #1 Kentucky "scraping" by Montevallo (lol?) in a similar game tonight as well.
November 4th, 2013 at 10:49 PM
#238
For An Exhibition Game...
Some team stats:
- 22-28 for free throws
- 24-46 for FGs
- 9-21 for 3FGs
- 31 reounds (25 defensive)
- 16 assists
A pretty good performance overall.
November 4th, 2013 at 10:50 PM
#239
Thoughts
- Walton needs to control the game more. Too often I would see him pass the ball as soon as he got to half-court. He's still figuring out how to pick his spots and that's okay, but right now he's erring on the side of deferrence. It's nice that Michigan has plenty of guys who can create offense and Walton should not have Trey Burke usage, but there is a reason he is the PG. At times, the offense devolved into too much one-on-one and stagnation. As the floor general, Walton is the one who needs to facilitate that. He'll improve in this regard as the season progresses. Everything else looks to be in place for him
- Fast break game was sloppy tonight. Guys were lazy with passes, made a couple of bad reads...chalk it up to rust and energy level.
- Bigs besides McGary appear to be JAG's. Morgan's defensive skills are very good, but if McGary is out, I think the two-post lineup is a poor idea. For one, it exposes your bigs to foul trouble (risking putting Bielfeldt out there for significant minutes). For another, it really submarines the offense.
- Stauskas has been very, very impressive. Shot looks pure again and he has improved as a finisher.
- Then again, so has LeVert. He reminds me a lot of Jamal Crawford. That crossover is filthy.
- Irvin looked better tonight as well. THJr. 2.0 is not a bad comparison. Considering he's arguably our 4th-best wing, it tels you how much depth this team has in the backcourt.
- Which is why as long as McGary is out, there is no reason to play two posts. Get your best players on the floor
November 4th, 2013 at 11:53 PM
#240
The offensive sets
calls for PG to give up the ball almost as soon as they cross half court. It's not just Walton's being tentative.
November 5th, 2013 at 1:56 AM
#241
I will give the game a C+
I will give the game a C+
