Dissapointing really wanted
We are back in a bowl game.
We are back in a bowl game. Does it really matter who we play? The last two years should make you appreciate this a bit more.
agreed - happy to be in a bowl
But I did wanna play Florida too. I saw Tenn play a couple times. They were pretty bad.
Well Florida is pretty bad
Well Florida is pretty bad too. But they can at least count FWIW.
"So put 2 on, put 10 on, WHAT DO YOU CARE IT'S NOT LIKE YOU'RE PAYIN' FOR 'EM!!!!?"
-Doug Heffernan, in regards to Arthur and his stamp needs
This is a best case scenario, Comrades
Tennessee would be the easiest opponent -- and as much fun as it would be to play Florida, it's much more important to Michigan's future that we win the game.
Plus, we get to avenge our 45-17 loss to Tennessee in the 2002 Citrus Bowl. (What? Michigan got blown off the field when people other than RR were coaching the team? IMPOSSIBLE)
"I call that Communist football. I'm so tired of it. Good, red-blooded Americans snap the ball, hand it to the guy and have a normal run game or pass game."
—Steve Szabo, Michigan linebackers coach, November 2007
"What? Michigan got blown off
"What? Michigan got blown off the field when people other than RR were coaching the team? IMPOSSIBLE"
Yeah, but it didn't happen FIVE times in 2001/2002.
Blown Out
"What? Michigan got blown off the field when people other than RR were coaching the team? IMPOSSIBLE"
Yeah, but it didn't happen FIVE times in 2001/2002.
Edit: Sorry for the double post. Didn't know how to delete.
It didn't happen five times
It didn't happen five times in 2010/2011 either.
2010
MSU lost by 17
Iowa lost by 10
Penn State lost by 10
Wisconsin lost by 20
Ohio State lost by 30
All losses were by double digits. Three of them were by 17 or more. This might not qualify as "blown off the field".....but it's certainly not good either.
It's like people don't
It's like people don't realize touchdowns are seven points.
Three Scores
Three of the games were decided by at least three scores. Penn State took a knee in the red zone at the end of the game or that would have been three scores. In my mind, three scores consititutes a blow out. It's certainly not like it was close.
Reality.....try it, you'll like it.
Right. Reality. How many
Right. Reality.
How many games were actually "blowouts" as you claimed? Because you said five, and I'm confused about that. I'm sorry but 10 point losses are not blowouts, no matter how much you want the coach fired. I dunno about you, but I tend to only count the scores the other team actually, you know, scores.
So the reality is: you're wrong.
Like I Said
All games were double digit losses. None of them were particularly close. If you watched the games you, know this. Granted, the Wisky and OSU losses were the most egregious. MSU and PSU were pretty much decided by halftime. The Iowa game had potential but was the outcome was never really in doubt.
PSU didn't score another TD because they had pity on Michigan. They took a knee knowing full well that they could score again (and you know it too). If you want to ask for (or accept) pity that's fine, Monsieur.
I never said that I wanted the coach fired. I said (or at least tried to imply) that Michigan was not competitive in its five losses this year. You can dispute that all you want but you're just fooling yourself.
It's like you don't get that
It's like you don't get that low double digit losses aren't blowouts in a game where you can score seven points at a time. How hard is it to understand?
Three Games
Three of the five losses were by 17 or more points. Since 17 isn't a low double digit, it's apparent that you concede three of the games were blowouts (and a fourth game was a "pity" away from a blow out).
17 points is three full scores. Since the average team gets around three possessions in a quarter, you'd need another full 15 minutes of football time to get back into the game (without letting the other team score).
So there were three blowouts instead of five (with a fourth right on the brink).
Scoreboard vs. Being Overmatched on the Field
Well into my fourth decade of watching Michigan football. I'm pretty sure the two games that we were most overmatched were Tennessee and Oregon.
Michigan / Florida State 1991
Yuck!
Wolverine Nation Unite!
Ohio State
In my fifth decade of watching Michigan football. I'd say that OSU in 2008 was the most overmatched game during that time.
I'll grant you 2.5 blowouts
Wisc, OSU and sorta PSU.
But if your argument is that M hasn't been blown out 2.5 times before, well you've proved my point.
"I call that Communist football. I'm so tired of it. Good, red-blooded Americans snap the ball, hand it to the guy and have a normal run game or pass game."
—Steve Szabo, Michigan linebackers coach, November 2007
In A Season
I'm saying that they were not blown out on a regular basis like they have been in the recent past. Yes, they lost to Tennessee by 28 in 2002. All of their other three losses that year were by less than a TD (a total of 11 points across the three games).
You can look at the Tenny loss as an outlier, an aberration for that season. None of the losses this year would fall into that category.
Yeah
It's an aberration because in the 1990s and early 2000s, the Big Ten was a weak conference and we would get blown out by also-ran teams from other conferences. The teams that blew us out this year (OSU, Wisc) are legit on a national level (look at what OSU did to Oregon last year).
This isn't to say that we don't need to get better. But this romanticization of the Lloyd-Mo-Bo era is ridiculous.
"I call that Communist football. I'm so tired of it. Good, red-blooded Americans snap the ball, hand it to the guy and have a normal run game or pass game."
—Steve Szabo, Michigan linebackers coach, November 2007
Weaker? Really?
Maybe in the 70's and 80's, sure....but how many Big Ten programs are better now than they were in the 90's and early 2000's?
Illinois - about the same, up and down, occasional good season. (2001 last really good team...early 2000s)
Indiana - continued suckage
Iowa- Good in early 90's, best Ferentz seasons early 2000s.
MSU - Perles, Saban MSU a lot better than everything since, up till this year.
Minnesota - Glenn Mason, the only respectable coach they've had since Lou Holtz was out by 2006.
Northwestern - all their championship years and Rose Bowl year was the years you speak of. Barnett had a much better program than they've been recently.
OSU- probably about the same. But they did win their National Title in the early 2000s.
PSU - was a LOT better in the 90's, with an undefeated season, and consistent record. It wasn't till the early 2000s they started becoming up and down...which they still are to this day.
Purdue- only good years since the 60's were Tillers early years, and that's when the Brees years took place. Much worse now.
Wisconsin - still consistently strong. But they went to 3 Rose Bowls in the 90s. This is their first since then. So they were better then.
The only real difference is Michigan was a much better team then (making a stronger conference). And most of the League has gotten weaker with them. The Big Ten had a 7-1 streak in the Rose Bowl during the 90's (and yes, the Pac-Ten was down...but you've already made the case elsewhere that they're not that good now, either). So it's not romanticizing....it's just fact.
"I love him, he's a great coach, he's a great mentor, he's a great friend. He's every single thing you want a college coach to be, and he does it flawlessly." -David Molk
24 points?
What? This "Explosive" high powered offense has only scored 24 points in the last 3 years against the Buckeyes? IMPOSSIBLE!
The winner gets
DeAnthony Arnett. Seems fair.
A bad bowl opponent is
A bad bowl opponent is a....good thing?
For a lot of people the bowl W is more important than the quality of the opponent.
How is a bad bowl opponent
any different than playing UMASS/Baby Seal U/Indiana? I would rather see an opponent that we have a chance against than play in another blow out.
Is there a missing
Is there a missing /s?
UMass and Delaware St aren't AQ teams (or in DSU's case, even D1), and Indiana isn't a bowl eligible SEC team, so this comparison makes no sense. In a perfect year, we'd be playing an undefeated #2 ranked______ for the MNC, but in a relatively mediocre year for Michigan football, I am perfectly happy to watch us romp any SEC team in a bowl...certainly more than I want to see Ok St or someone else crush us in the Insight.
I was going to ask the same of your earlier comment...
The point that I was trying to make was that a match up against an inferior opponent, no matter who at this point, would be just fine with me. I think we are making similar points but not doing it well.
Yes, this.
I agree.
Yes, this.
I agree.
Its no little caesars bowl
well said because at least this bowl is a respectable one...as long as Michigan shows up
true..
but beating down a team by 20 would look pretty good to recruits too, wouldn't it?
i mean, going from Alabama to a 6-6 Tennessee in 2 days certainly is a roller coaster, but i personally don't think our kids are ready for 'Bama yet. maybe playing an SEC team in florida would be better. especially one that we have the ability to look good against.
whoever though, you're right in the end. thank God we're back to getting the extra game. offseasons have been loooooooong lately.
agreed.
If the haters don't hate you then you're doing something wrong. - David Cone
and i thought this ad on
and i thought this ad on gatorbowl.com front page was a giveway...
You're reading the secret
You're reading the secret code all wrong! You have to look at the picture as if it were a book and read it left to right.
The first two items are then Michigan and Tennessee....come on man. You're better than that.
Look for the bare necessities
The simple bare necessities
Forget about your worries and your strife
Well clearly you can't wear
Well clearly you can't wear TWO sweatshirts - so you put on the Michigan shirt and the Tennesee hat. Or the Florida shirt and the Iowa hat. Not sure what you do with the Razorbacks hat.
I will take it
I would have prefered Florida as well but what the hell.
1) Its against a beatable SEC team
2) Its New Years Day
3) Most importantly, its on ESPN2 when Lil Bro is on ESPN so we get all the ratings and MSU gets pimped by us after all. muuuuaaaahh ha hahahaha
Gotta Love the Irony
From the Red Cedar Message Board: "God hates us." Yes He does Lil Bro, yes he does. Everyone hates you.
No way
Dissapointing really wanted to play against Florida.
We desperately need to win this bowl game and the Vols are a much more favorable match-up.
Interesting....
I bed Arnett will have something to say about this matchup. Maybe if we beat them really really bad he'll commit again.
Shiiiiiiiiiiiiieeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet
Again?
I must have missed his "Hello..." post. My thinking is that if he commits after that bowl game, it would be because of a change in head coach here.
I don't blame you for missing
I don't blame you for missing his commitment. It only lasted a few minutes and, though clearly a spoof, I choose to believe he was very dedicated to the program during those few minutes.
Please fix your typo.
Please fix your typo.
"Is There Anybody Out There?" Pink Floyd, The Wall.
I'll feel a lot better if
I'll feel a lot better if thats the Tennessee of Ohio vols.
Wha?
How (or why) did 6-6 Tennessee get into the Gator Bowl ahead of Florida? Lame.
Those who stay will be champions.
yeah... ummm...
Do Something. If it works, do more of it. If it doesn't, do something else.
Touche
+1
Those who stay will be champions.
7-5 team jumping another 7-5
7-5 team jumping another 7-5 team isn't exactly the same thing.
More Tennessee fans would
More Tennessee fans would come from out of state and buy tickets and spend money than the already in-state and not-real-excited-about-the-gator bowl Florida fans.
There are no corners in space.
It's just so much more fun
when the Tennessee fans drive their homes to the bowl games!
Wolverine Nation Unite!
That my friend was funny as
That my friend was funny as hell!!
Dissapointing really wanted to play against Florida.