What is this lineup? Come on!
Michigan vs. MSU bball open thread
Everytime Michigan plays, the difference between their defense and the defense of any team they play is amazing. Night and day. Wisconsin, MSU, OSU, Indiana. We know Michigan isn't a good defensive team, but maybe they are way overrated on offense. It seems like they get shut down pretty easily by decent teams.
Draw up a play or something Belien!
These substitutions are a joke.
This lineup when you're already down by 7 points??? I'm fucking tired of these slow starts!!! Come on, Belein!!!
Sorry Spike is not ready to play D1 ball. The sad thing is we have no other option at backup point.
I have decided to switch off the sound. The commentator was so fucking biased.
At this rate you're going to want to shut the video off, too.
it's going to be biased when one team is getting the shit kicked out of them
We won't win in March.
You don't play on the road in march so that comment is way off
great... new '5-hour energy guy' commercial. more douchery.
Pretty sure I saw him in the student section bro.
Why not maul ball handlers like Ohio and sparty? Could we get away with such a thing?
Here we go again. No poise. Can't defend. Can't make shots. At some point, we're going to have to beat a *good* opponent on the road. Minnesota is an above average one. Right now, we're about to go 0-4 against the other contenders on the road. Indiana has won at Ohio. Sparty won at Wisconsin.
Average shot from MSU 4 feet away, average shot from UM 20 feet away. Defense matters.
Remember once when we were considered one of the best offensive teams in basketball? Neither do I.
Why don't you just slap the ground around the free throw line. You are far enough out on the court already. He is screening disses fergodsake!.
he have no defensive intensity. game after game after game. the opponent comes out focused on D, energy all over their defensive end.
we never match that
Spike, LeVert, Hardaway, McGary, and Robinson.
I am sorry but who is going to take charge in the lineup?
It seems like ever since jordan morgan got hurt we haven been the same team for what ever reason
Does Glenn Robinson do anything?
Me thinks that would keep us in these road games.
Is something wrong with Burke? He usually plays 36 minutes a game and it seems like he's been out for 4-5 minutes this half.
is no fire in this team. No grit, only finesse.
Down double digits on the road .... AGAIN.
Down 11 on the road in East Lansing...good night
what the hell is this lineup ..
Wow what a tip....lucky bastard
We can't shoot for shit
Well, we're getting ourselves fucked again.
DAKICH JUST SHUT HIS DIRTY HOOKER MOUTH ALREADY???
Wtf are you kidding me. So lucky
We can't make shit but they can slap fucking shots in.
This group needs to drive the bucket more
why are our players all slipping? the hell is wrong with their court?
This is pathetic.
out for the game please.
I don't even want to watch anymore, honestly
Burke should not be sitting...he is a leader and you need leaders on the floor when playing in a hostile environment
A wide open 3
This is absolutely brutal. ABSOLUTELY brutal. Worse than our first half against IU and Wisky.
We were ahead at halftime against Wisconsin, that wasn't a case of a slow start.
Just sit robinson, his confidence is completely shattered...that was a terrible shot and he was wide open
Robinson's confidence can't get much lower, he can't hit any open shot.
We can't get a point inside and our jumpshots arent going in. This could be a long night.
Well this is fun.
This is ridiculous...
Realistically, Sparty can't maintain this pace in terms of shooting.
It takes two to tango for a comeback. We've yet to find the dance floor.
I wonder what happened to the Michigan team I watched play a month ago.
The one that blew out Northwestern and Iowa by a combined 60 points? Blah...
We're not in Evanston ILL anymore Dorothy
Ugliest fucking basketball I've ever seen.
This team could find a way to burn Jello right now.
Morgan, great on D, horrid on O.
It would be nice to score points on a 3 v 1 transition
HOLY SHIT I KNOW ITS EARLY BUT SOMEONE NEEDS TO DO ANYTHING
turned off the tv. Offensive rebounds make me want to cry.
we're not going to get a marquee conference road win are we? Unless you count mediocre Minnesota or Illinois
might call it a early night tonight guys.. this does not look good
I am hoping this is the low point we look back at and laugh at.
On iPhone so I can't embed.
Get the fuck off the court.
for road games. Izzo's guys are fouling and pushing like a B1G team and we're just taking it.
They are shooting lights out and even swats at the ball are going in...
We are not good at basketball on the road. Morgan with the worst pass ever off a turnover.
Keys to winning:
Make open looks - Nope
Control the boards - Nope
Limit easy buckets - Nope
Limit turnovers - Nope
Good job guys! Keep that streak of shitting the bed in big road games in tact. I'm sure it won't come back to bite you in the tournament.
The way we have played this last week or so, I don't even know that we're top ten... This is borderline unwatchable.
Needs a seat. He is useless.
Does not make him worthless. Dude is playing d that is why he is in. Coach b needs to get him cutting to basket. He should not be shooting from outside right now. Agreed.
I love coach B but my 1 complaint is he is horrible with player personel.
MSU is playing better but dang they are having a lot of luck on there side.
We're not hitting a thing :(
STAHP with the silly turnovers. STAHP.
Again in the NCAA tournament MSU would not get away with all these fouls.
Seriously. MSU is bodychecking like it's hockey
We need someone like an athletic Zac Novak on defense. MSU is playing sick defense as did Wiscy (limited offensive team) as did OSU (limited offensive team) as did Indiana (good offensive team)
This feels a lot like the OSU game.. if we can go into halftime within single digits I think our halftime adjustments can put us in a position to win. If we keep playing like we're playing we're fucked.
It seems like solid defensive teams, like Wisconsin, OSU, Indiana and MSU, have us completely figured out and know how to shut us down. Meanwhile, not having much in the way of defense doesn't help.
Michigan will go on a run. The hope is we aren't down 20 when it comes
What happened to the 1-3-1? Why are we constantly adjusting to our opponent. Be assertive once.
Remember when we were good at basketball?
Why the hell did we stick with that horrid offensive lineup for so long?
Hey Coach B you're a nice guy and all but it's time for you to get your young team prepared for fucking away games!
No toughness No Gut
Chicken shit basketball
In the worst way
Put Alexander in at head coach.
Where's Novak when we need him. This team lacks a vocal leader.
to do is get GRIII out, he hesitated on that last 3 too and put 2 big men in
Why is Spike in there still? Why anything?
Don't fraternize with d'antonio
Wow. Stafford is chubby
I hope no one says "well this will help for March" after this game. No more of that. We've had enough lumps and lessons already. It will be a bad loss in all facets if it stays this way.
No shoutout for Novak? That's cruel
Against Big Ten leaders if we lose this one.
Like this I always expect this team to come out ready and prepared to dominate like the team they are and every game I am disappointed.
Looks like we need a defensive specialist assistant coach.
THATS WHY HE DIDNT SIT IN THE GAME GOD DAMNIT
No toughness on either end, a complete inability to play defense, and zero poise. This team is getting worse every single game, and at some point it's fair to question what Belein is doing to prepare them for these games.
It's to the point now where I just expect a loss when we play a big game.
play some D.
GUARD GARY HARRIS!!! FUCK!!
Good fucking lord they CAN'T MISS. They can't keep this up much longer but they might not have to the way we're playing. Jesus.
Most college basketball players don't miss when they have wide open shots or they're shooting from two feet away. Not playing defense makes it hard to win.
I don't understand what Coach B. is doing this season. HIs substitutions have been bad, the team gets blown out in the first 10 minutes of any big game, the half-court offense is stagnant, defense is pretty bad, no one besides McGary has improved during the season. Deciding not to guard the inbound passer on that halfcourt buzzer beater has made me view him in a more negative light. Hopefully, he pulls out some miracles like last year and my faith becomes restored (not that it would matter in any way to him or anyone else).
Also, GUARD GARY HARRIS.
What I would do for a chance to throw it to ms. Stafford.
Stafford's GF needs to shut her mouth.
Too painful to watch...I feel like Ive seen this story every time Michigan plays a team with a pulse on the road. A higher seating in the tourney might benefit this team because they sure do struggle playing the favorite role. At least in the tourney everyone routes for the underdog.
I'm only 53 so I can't remember the early 60's and before but does anybody know if any team has ever shot below their season average against Michigan? Pretty sure that the record stands at 1094 straight games where teams shot better than normal against us but I could be wrong. The streak may be longer.
haha, thanks for the laugh in a period where I thought it was impossible to laugh
This speaks to the entirety of my lived experience as a Michigan fan.
Every football team scored above their average when Rodriguez was the coach. I think the lack of Michigan defense plays a role in the shooting averages of the opponent. They should shoot higher when they play Michigan since Michigan's defense is worse than the average opponent. In this game, the defense is godawful. Luckily they're making up for it with terrible offense.
We have the talent, it seems like we are getting out coached and out played...some of that falls on the players and the rest fall on the coaches. You cant win with horrible lineups...the game is 2 halfs hopefully luck will be on our side in the second.
Game's over. Stop torturing yourself now.
I know alot of this is bad D, but some these 3s are just luck
Just a complete and utter domination.
Who says you have to be in shape to play football
Trying out for right tackle?
not taking about giving up, but if you dont want to play belein should take them out. im looking at GRIII
Unsure why this makes me quite so uncomfortable.
Well on a positive note, Matt Stafford's girlfriend.
Where is Brent Musburger when we could use him?
Settle ur boys down, yo
Have to question coach's ability to prepare these guys for a big game. They look lost. GRIII needs to be benched.
Gary Harris Big 10 freshman of the year.
Mitch Nik, GrIII, all have better game
Are you kidding? There is no way you can believe that. You have some serious Maize colored glasses if you truly believe all three of those players are better than Gary Harris.
You can't say that Harris is pretty damn good. He is MSUs best player.
Are you watching the same game?
Team is very young. When the shot is not falling JBs offense is not pretty. Can't even hit a pass. GR3 has officially shelled up. NBA? Maybe in two years.
This is an ass kicking.
Did they tell McGary he couldn't dunk anymore?
Well, they make another 3 and were screwed.
What happened to GRIII?! We need some production out of this kid in big games.
can't wait for the excuses from this team after this one
I am starting to believe the people saying this team is overrated. This shit has happened too many times.
Worst game we've played all season, far and away. At least GRIII will be back for another year, kid's fuckin disappeared.
finally found his range
Young and bottom line is, if we don't get in transition, we struggle. Defensively, we are horrible.
Jesus they are not missing
No hustle, no heart and no desire. Go home Michigan.
Remember all these comments when we play Sparty at home and its them that can't get stops
and then ill remember them when we lose in the early rounds in the tournament on a neutral court.
are getting taken behind the woodshed.
This is fucking shameful.
fuck off "dickitch"
we cant stop them even when we play great defense. They just make everything and when they don't they get the offensive rebound anyways
Have we played good defense?
I think this is the first time this year I have seen Michigan simply quit.
I just hope we get out of the first weekend of the tourney this year.
It's looking less and less likely.
Is this for real? What the fuck
The team mailed it in. Fuck it.
immeasurably with his mugging style of play. Almost as ugly as Wisky.
Whining about thi, we are getting our ass kicked, maybe could learn how to play this style on defense. Just quit it, take it like a man.
How is he allowed to go out on the court during play? Isn't that a t or something. Done it twice already.
Why would you deliver the ball to McGary's feet?
Fuck this. Outhustled. Burke just gave up after that last turnover. This team lacks heart which is why they get blasted on the road.
Disgusting to watch.
Is "over the back" still a call in basketball?
I honestly don't know if we're a top 20 team right now.
These are the type of comments that are ridiculous, it's fine to criticize certain aspects but this is a team that is 21-3, I repeat 21-3.
Can we get Greg Mattison out there to coach? When did we get so bad?
I'm so sad right now.
absolutely pathetic, no heart, hustle or desire. where's that novak guy???
This one is over.
Mitch McGary is playing absolutely TERRIBLE!!
But you are correct sir. First time he seems intimidated. Playing like freshmen today. So are the soph and juniors.
Just embarassing. Of course it doesn't help when MSU seemingly hasn't missed a single shot this entire game.
No gonna win.
Freshman are rattled at this dump... Look timid
We are over rated. Period
Not going to bother watching if Michigan isn't going to bother trying.
MSU 13 (4)
Michigan 9 (2)
Soooo the State of the Union is also on...
Now I feel like a fool...
It now seems like he was the great energy guy off the bench.
It's march already? Where have I been for the last few weeks!!
It's almost like Belien forgot how to coach the past few weeks. We have been more competitive against MSU with much less talented teams in the past. Calm the guys down and find them ways to score some points.
Such a soft team this Michigan team has proven them selves to be.
The TV is about to be turned off
Where's that fucking RESET button? Seriously guise, WHERE IS IT
S found in the aisle called "defense", an aisle UM avoids with enthusiasm.
Is Brady Hoke busy at half-time?
We are being exposed as a weak team, physically and mentally.
Why did I delay THAT for THIS!
we're overrated. 3-4 seed. no one outside of Burke
Totally agree on the seed. I think we have some good players besides Burke though. Just not tough, Novak-like players.
Did I just seriously see him WALK down the floor after that turnover?
First time he has ever pissed me off on the court!
Gonna be another year or two until we have a veteran, battle-tested lineup. Shame Burke and THJ won't be around to see it.
Will devastate this team. We have no one other than them who can create O off the dribble.
Sweet offensive sets we've been running. Wtf happened to running a cohesive offensive play?
I just don't understand? How do teams play so well offensively against us with field goal percentage as high as 65% Is our defense really that terribly suck?!
Yes it is.
I hate Big10 refs. It isn't rational that a team 6 steals, 5 OREB and 3 blocks and only 4 fouls. If you play like that you are going to foul more then your opponent.
We know how this ends. UM will make a 12-2 run sometime in the second half, give everyone some hope and then lose by 8. Enough seen. Not championship quality defense - defense is all about effort and athleticism - only 4 players on the roster play defense (THJ, Burke, Morgan, McGrady) - the rest are just floaters. There is a reason every quality team comes out and hits a high FG%. Not "luck"
^this is what no one realizes
I didn't know that Tmac decided to go to college
Do we have another play besides
1. Give ball to Trey
2. Somebody set a screen and then roll somewhere (Note: does not have to be towards basket)
no mid range game, no inside game..No D.. Fuck
Whether or not we come back and win this game, I'm so excited for the Penn State game. Seriously, I'm done with these brutal road games all in a row.
no mid range game, no inside game..No D.. Fuck
My sound is off now, TV is next.
I should note that I have never once quit watching a Michigan game early. Never once.
When Burke can't get anything going no one can. Someone needs to step up
Michigan is no longer playing on the road. This team is not good enough to beat the top teams on the road, plain and simple. No disrespect to MSU, very good team, but Michigan is not even playing close to their potential because they're so psyched out.
These guys are all young. Morgan has never been a true center, burke tries way to hard to make up for ... Well everything. Over rated? Isnt everyone in college hoops season?
The Big10 really fucked us over with these 4 brutal games in a row.
The Big10 really fucked us over with these 4 brutal games in a row.
This is what it looks like when other teams give it their all to beat us. We need to learn how to play with the bulls eye on our backs.
No mystery there.
Will not be in the NBA next year. He is going to drop like a stone down the ratings.
Why can we not have a strong first half on the road? I don't think it's just because we have so many freshman starters...
MSU is outworking our guys.
On the bright side, I've had this game on mute the whole time.
Let's get'em in A2. I don't generally toss in the towel but it continues to appear that we are just to youthful in these big road games. Hope I'm wrong, Hail, Hail ...
"Let's get'em" in EL, tonight. If our guys would get their heads out of their asses and play to their potential we could still win this. It's all in their heads, is what's so goddamn frustrating. Ugh.
Here comes our run!
get this to 10 at the half and we have a chance
Sounds vaguely familiar (Indiana, OSU) - also after the game you should write "this will help us in March." (drink)
5-0 run guys!
Please get it to single digits at half.
The Pride of Columbus, Ohio
This team is too heavy right now. Burke can't carry on his own.
What the hell, Burke?
of course they get a call for that
of course they get a call for that
leave burke in!!!!!
I don't care what you say 4-8 from 3 is lucky. Its not like they are a great shooting team.
Plus mediocre offense getting hyped up = death for our team
BALL DONT LIE
It's okay guys--the freshmen grew up a lot today.
so much for trying to cut it under 10 with burke on the bench.
I have to say that the commentary is brutal.
Is burke ready for the NBA, or do you think he will still leave after this year? He has struggled against top talent, as of late. I'm pretty confident GR111 will be back and its probably a safe bet Hardaway will leave. I don't know a lot about Basketball, so i'm not sure what to think.
GR111? I didn't think GR3 even had kids yet.
Surround Burke with NBA talent and he will look very good. He has developed about as far as he will get in college - he is 5'10 which will always be a limitation.
GR3 is not going to the NBA this year, and if things dont change he is going to be a 4 year player. He needs to add weight, add drive, add an offensive game, and add mental toughness. He will get crushed by 28 year old men in NBA the way he is now.
Lucky us. Hardaway is cold.
THjr en fuego
i think being a michigan fan is the most stressful thing in the world.
Better to suck now than in mid-March right? RIGHT? *back to fetal position*
One of these games we have to be the team with more FTs right?
Like ever in my lifetime?
It is killing Michigan right now that Robinson will not even look for shots unless wide open. He should have at the very least shot faked on that pass from Albrecht.
Is killing them
GRIII doesn't even take wide open shots anymore.
If MSU is going to run up the score, then I'm going to run up my posts in an effort to get to 100 points tonight.
Has fallen so far.
And Stauskas...nice open 3 miss.
What the heck happen to him making all the threes??????????????????????????????
Come on Stauskas you are supposed to be the best shooter in the country?
get a rebound on either end please.
When Nick Stauskas is missing 3's I know things are not right with the world.
Conference play started...
Hardaway has done nothing...
If we somehow get it down to 9 you'll feel good. We need a State reverts to their mean cold period, though.
sucks so far, we need to get our heads out of our arses and soon
Or under its a major victory.
Unfortunately, this looks like a lot of out other losses. Play d here fellas!
What do we have to lose right now?
We are fucking garbage.
Get a fucking rebound for fuck's sake!
This better be the speech of the century...
rebound. Fuck. Fuck. Fuck.
Michigan's "defense" is a comedy routine at this point.
Might was well not play D if your going to give them 4 offensive rebounds
That's a fitting way to end the half.
Horse-shit first half.
Way to shit the bed, guys.
What's the point if they're never going to call a foul. Just a joke
Just threw my remote at the wall and it switched to the state of the union. Thinking I will leave it here. True story.
Nice to see Hardaway show up tonight.
most efficient and best offense in ncaa on pace for 48 points.
Glenn robinson iii another great half in a big game
Wow, so much for rebounding
Just so they could run up their offensive rebounding numbers. Bastards!
I HATE REBOUNDS
Is Hardaway like 1-29 against state the last two games? This is embarrassing.
keep him on the damn bench. he just stands there on watches sparty get rebounds. at least bielfeld will fight a bit.
..we're gonna need to play the best half of basketball we've played all season to win this one. And what are the odds we can do that after playing the worst half we've played all season?
Bitched about refs for any of our road games yet. I've always figured it was part of the game on the road. This however is absolute horseshit. This is the worst officiating job I have seen. It's usually a call here or there. This is blatant bad calls and all one way
It ain't the refs!
Diagram a play for us?
This is an ads kicking. Refs had nothing to do with it. We should play tougher.
This game is a joke. That last series where they got 100 offensive rebounds looked like me playing against my 9 year old son.
We need a halftime aneurysm of leadership.
Bad line up. Horrible effort. Bad fundamentals. Looks like we were beaten. Need to show some Heath second half. Can do it but it looks so so bad.
This is a perfect example to show you talent only brings you that far. You need hard work, heart, tenancity, resilience to be successful in all things you do in life.
Really? You know how hard those guys are working? Heart and tenacity? Jesus you guys see 3 hours of these guys a week and you know their character. They aren't playing well we've all seen what it's like when they do.
This thread is as bad as the commentary. I'm out
Well, this could be going better.
I'm oddly comforted by Hoke's presence, however.
It is evident he does not approve.