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Michigan vs. Michigan State Basketball Open Thread
My prediction for today's game is THjr will get back in the groove. 23 points, 6 rebounds, 4 assists and a pretty solid defensive game.
Michigan by 8 and Sparty will complain about the refereeing.
Turns out it's opposite day.
Is there a stream?
EDIT: Watch live from CBS Sports, posted under this.
May the Spartans noses fall from their faces, may their salsa ever be too mild, and may death come swiftly to their household plants!
any way to get a liveblog going? If there ever is a time for one, now would be it
I was thinking the same thing this seems like a no-brainer
I'd be willing to support a campaign to prevent couch abuse after Michigan makes Sparty's head asplode in this game...
GO BLUE GO
Izzo looks pretty nervous if you ask me. He knows Michigan is gonna be a thorn in his side for a long time now.
and there goes Tim shooting bad shots
Both teams looking sloppy early.
How could they boo that foul? He literally grabbed him as he went by
Takie it to them!
Can you at least jog on defense THJ?
Going to be a slugfest.
Sparty defense looking very strong so far.
This is pathetic offense.
Let's get a fucking basket here!
I thought green had us figured out?
He outrebounded the entire UM team today (or at least until there was 30 seconds left). I'd say he does.
Don't have access to a feed right now, but 2-0 about 4 minutes in makes me think this game is going to be a dragger. Hopefully the offense can get going, but how does Green look?
Green looks normal. Very surprised they called the charge on them there at the Bres.
alright if we settle down on offense we'll be alright.
So, first to 20 points wins?
i can't believe nobody (i mean you thj) can't take him off the dribble.
I see our guy Pittbull is back... and he's upgraded to beer.
And for some reason Stu still thinks he is a good dribble penetrator...
Well he did get all the way to the rack...
We need to operate! Its all fury right now, time to settle down and run the gameplan. More interior pressure and get after those damn rebounds!
is cold blooded
Novak! And some stoppage?
This game is downright hideous
on that fatass
that was goal tending
I don't like sloppy basketball
The Maize Rage still mimcs upset visiting coaches better than the Izzone
of the charge/goaltend stuff
We're not doing anything on offense. This is tough to watch. Hopefully we find something that works.
Well, Michigan State watched the film from the last meeting. We need other ways to get Burke involved.
do something today. a couple 3s would be nice.
damn it we are so sloppy
time to put the starters back in
THJ: I am disapoint.
I'm not worried at all about this game, we will come storming back
When is Beilein going to learn that Smotz is NOT a center?
Vogrich is terrible on defense...
I don't understand why you don't bring in McLimas to play the 5, Smotz at 4...etc. when you take Burke out.
i can easily argue that he plays a better 5 defense than mclimans. both tho are weak in comparison to morgan.
He's too soft. And when he tried to play tough, he gets into foul trouble (like now)
I think he's fine playing the 4 on defense, but I cringe anytime Morgan comes out and he goes to 5. Novak plays the 4 MUCH better than he plays the 5.
This is why we miss Horford so much. With that said, McLimas would be my backup center, Smotz would play the 4 and the 4 only. I'd play them BOTH (Smotz and McLimas) over playing Smotz at the 5.
They didn't even review whether it was a 2 or a 3 until after MSU went down the court and scored and Michigan was about to inbound the ball.
Is that even allowed? I would assume that the refs would only be able to review a possession through the following possession, if that makes sense.
doesn't really matter when they review it, especially since it was 5 minutes into the game.
If the game is 5 - 4 instead of 5 - 5, are you really gonna change up your game plan at all?
Obviously, 2 minutes left in the game would be a different story...
Michigan need to get their head into the game defensively!
Does this game mean more for them, or for us?
We are talking sparty and the regular season B1G X Champs!
Smotrycz fouls SOOOOOO much
See you in the second half Smotrycz.
Take Smots out. Why does Vogrich get minutes?
If Vogrich didn't get any minutes, our rotation would be only 6.5 people (Smotrcyz's fouls means he counts as 0.5 of a bench player)
At this point I'd like to see McLimans get some run.
Can't miss those bunnies
I wish I didn't have to say this every fucking game, but Morgan is such a weak ass finisher!
Well... you don't have to say it every fucking game.
Well since he blows at least one easy bunny every game, yeah I do. Alright Taylor Lautner?
We needed that one Jordan.
I've never seen anyone miss more bunny shots than Morgan
ok im done with you. bad defense. now bricking wide open 3. no use for you.
let's forget about his D and rebounding. i would much rather have mclimans in there on D. /s
found his range
Do that every fucking time Jordan!
But then he gives it right back...
need to make a run here
Y U DO "LET'S GO BLUE!" CHANT?
THJ, Smotrycz, Vogrich, and Douglass would all be benched and our lineup would be Burke/Novak/McLimans against MSU's whole team
they could run the triangle offense. i think some coach made it famous.
To many early turnovers
You can feel the hate. Everyone up there wants this one bad.
We're right in this as long as we can get something, anything going on offense. We're on pace for like 35 points.
Oh and I never knew msu had a guy named Luke Appling
People need to chill out - especially with the derogatory comments. Everyone knows the limitations of certain players - no need to be personally offended by a player who puts on the Maize and Blue.
MSU made their first half run. We've weathered it and have started to get behind them on offense. That should loosen up the OTB defense and help create some things.
Believe in Beilein. You know he'll wait for the perfect moment to bust out the 1-3-1 to spark a run.
I don't think people acknowledge that even if we lose this game by 14 points, we're still in good shape for a 5-6 seed in the NCAA tournament. This board acts as if we are the worst team in the Big Ten whenever we aren't playing like we did against Wisconsin.
Isn't that Beilein hasn't done a real good job this year, but that he did a really crappy job this week because we obviously weren't set to match the intensity or game plan MSU came to play with. Because we're not losing; we're getting the doors blown off us in the second biggest game of the year.
Lots of game left, and even if it's more likely right now to lose by 20 than win, it's not a lost hope yet. But it doesn't change that we didn't cone ready to play today to start with, and against a rival that's bad.
THJ needs to take better percentage shots.
He has to be the worse Defensive player on the court everytime he steps on it
gotta change the defense
Nix waddles when he runs. No wonder he can only play 25 mins a game (and still go 6 for 8 against us)
attempting his manny harris fadeaway three, again to no avail.
Did the camera swivel break when it should go left? This angle they insist on when Michigan is on offense is turrible
This is horrible
defense is optional?
If we lose I want these guys to show that they really wanted this game and leave everything on the floor, if they do that, i can sleep well tonight
Too many turnovers and bad shots, need to weather the storm and be down only single digits at halftime.
Terrible effort so far.
If you're going to bomb threes and half ass on defense just sit on the bench. At least act like you're trying.
Or we're going to get embarrassed.
Burke has to go off now...
This is sloppier than we've played in awhile.Need to force turnovers not commit them
State has 10 points off turnovers, we have 11 total.
Wow, they actually called a handcheck?
to watch...PLAY DEFENSE!
This is ridiculous! UM always puts itself in a hole b/c we can't hit those. I'm so sick of this.
This is garbage
When Morgan tries to dribble in traffic, bad things happen.
You guys are good at it.
Shot selection has been about as bad as you can see in a half. Tighten up and get this to 6 or less by half.
Sparty trying to continuously throw oops is really helping us
needs to cut down on his shots. Look to pass first.
I think this team is better than last years, but our Morris led team showed heart and determination for 40 minutes each game, this team doesn't show me that
Just not good at anything today.
2 huge shots right there. We needed that.
they are obviously keying on him. i wish they would try a two-man high-screen game with thj and novak
I would think the defenders would just switch off, so you wouldn't be able to free Novak for the 3. I'm also not confident enough in THJ's ball handling to let him dribble around that much. You also can't do a pick-and-roll with anyone but Morgan, because if Morgan is on the floor his defender is going to be near the basket. Plus, you need the quickness advantage of Burke vs. whoever is defending Morgan so that the ballhandler can turn the corner on the hedge and get the ball to the roller. I don't see that working with anyone but Burke and whoever is playing the 5.
should be hurting us much more this season than it actually has... We basically need Burke to play out of his mind every game against a decent opponent.
EDIT: Or have Novak and Douglass actually contribute offensively to some degree...
Novak and Douglass have 13 of our 19 points this game; in the conference season they are our 3rd and 4th leading scorers. Come on now. Think before you submit.
Michigan State is clearly hyped up and they're playing agressive defense.
They're going to force turnovers, but they're also going to commit a lot of fouls.
We have to match the aggression and get them into foul trouble.
Hang close and win the game from the free throw line.
their big guys are fat and out of shape. hopefully, they will be burned out for the last 10 min of the game.
this season...sofar. NO POINTS from the bench.
Hey, we were up big and they came back in our house, why can't we do the same?
#1 That was at home, this is on the road
#2 Different officiating crew...that crew called fouls on handchecks...this one is letting them play.
Why is THJ so damn invisible?
terrible series offensively and yet we are only down 9.
Shot selection rage. Serenity now.
And they said this is OUR Super Bowl. Listen to the crowd and watch the emotions of the players. It's like Dantoniio delivered his hate speech all week long.
Cut out the turn overs and we might have a shot in the second half.
Hardaway looks uninterested on offense and has been a liability on defense. He's a second half player right?
He always gets lost out there in the zone when the ball is on the opposite side. Leaves that backside guy open for jumpers all day...
THAT SHIT TREY
Burke HUGE 3 to cut the lead to 8 at half
We should do that every time.
Michigan St. has said, "No matter what happens, Trey Burke is not beating us." We seem to not have many other options. Our only points are off of wide open cuts to the basket or Novak getting open for three. Every time we score, they respond and our defensive effort is not inspiring. Hopefully, they come out stronger in the second half but I'm tired of saying that in every road game. They seem to be adjusting as the game is going on so that's encouraging.
It's just frustrating to watch because I think the talent is there and when the team plays up to potential it's great to watch. For long stretches this season, though, something just seems to not be clicking with some of the guys. We get in long funks where only Burke and Novak want to seem to carry the weight. I think those two guys have played heroically all season.
As I finish typing, Burke proves what a straight baller he is.
Long ass three good! That was huge!
Another terrible end of the half shot...but we made it so eh fuck it. We are lucky to be this close hopefully that can spark us.
gotta love that dude. even tho that was another manny harris type shot.
Use that shot as momentum, please.
It is critical that Hardaway hits his first shot in the second half, that sets the tone for his effort the rest of the half
boiling down to near half court shots from Burke?
Ok...this is manageable. We played just about as overwhelmed and bad as we possibly could and only down 8. Cue the novak halftime speach
We need to get them in foul trouble, use the agressiveness against them.
That was a disgusting half, and we're only down by 8. Gotta lot to look forward to.
that Smotz and THJ are much better than they have played this year.
He started the year as a double double threat...he was playing well. However, too many fouls and too many turnovers trying to dribble and get got sent to the bench.
He went to the bench and lost his shot and his confidence.
THJ on the other hand, he hasn't played one good meaningful game all year.
Smotz plays hard but gets down on himself. In other words I agree with you.
imagine that thj, smot and vogrich are the current 4* players on the team. proof positive of what a great coach beilein is.
Wel, it's halftime so we can make our adjustments, and we're only down 8 so we can storm back in the 2nd half.
I'd like to see Beilein invert the offense and go to THJ in the post first possession. Get him in an iso situation near the basket. Good things will happen.
I agree except not on the first possession. When Smotrycz and Mclimans are playing the 5 we should run this because even when we invert we can preserve the spacing since those guys can knock down open threes. It would be tough for teams to react to this, methinks.
1. We have to win the first four minutes before the TV timeout.
2. Keep holding our own on the boards.
3. We have to get THJ going. Once one falls, it will start to rain...
4. We must close off the drives.
5. Burke for Treys
If we try to run our offense and shoot 3's...they win.
For every 3 we get, they will get 3 turnovers against us.
We MUST take the ball to the basket and get them into foul trouble.
Then 3 things happen:
- They foul
- They give up an easy basket avoiding the foul
- They help down and we kick out for that same 3 pointer
If we just pass the ball around the arc and set screens to try and get 3's. We lose by 15.
we are undersized across the board. the times we've drived the basket, we've turned the ball over or got the shot blocked. i agree about driving, but to create open shots, like 3s.
Big 3! Under 10 going in. Come on boys. THJ - please, please, PLEASEEEEEEEE bring something to the table!
but I don't think I've ever been more consistently frustrated with a Michigan athlete than I am with THJ this season. It's hard to fathom how someone with so much talent can play so poorly.
Man Hardaway with a goose egg? Come on...
THJ needs to be a presense closer to the basket.
Get to the foul line, knock down some FTs and get some rhythm in his shot.
The N on Nebraska's center court is ENORMOUS
That court is disgusting.
The B1G logos look like they're sticker placed over the Big XII logo.
Northwestern is worse, it looks like a bunch of fifth graders took purple markers to the place
Oversized halfcourt logos are a big trend in college basketball. Our midcourt M is pretty huge as well.
Beilein will make adjustments at halftime for the offense. State is playing way to aggressive on everything. Either State switches it up or they get burned in the second half. Now on defense... we gotta man up.
This is a little off topic as it applies to the basketball game and I can't start my own MGoBoard post, so here it is....
I drive a cab in East Lansing, so I pick up lots of random drunks, brahs (they REALLY do say "brah" a lot) and hotties with festering STDs, however, last night I picked up a kid who was a back-up punter at MSU from 2008 till this past year. He was a pretty nice guy so I figured I'd ask him something that's been eating away at me for a while. What's the story on Jerel Worthy's Missouri-hating tattoo?? Well, he laughed and asked me if I had seen his Dayton, ohio tattoo. I hadn't. He proceeded to tell me he has an ohio tattoo highlighting Dayton (his hometown) and the location of Dayton on the map tattooed on his body is at least 300 miles away from where Dayton is actually located. His tattoos have apparently been a source of much ridicule in the Michigan State lockerroom as well as on The Blog. He chalked it up to Worthy just being a, "bad tattoo getter."
I thought that was worthy of a post, no pun intended. Most of my encounters leave me more annoyed by the common MSU student every second, but last night was a funny anticdote that had me laughing to myself for the next hour.
After seeing the halftime show: Does anyone else get literally creeped out watching Anthony Davis play basketball? It's like he's not even human; more like some sort of Gumby-alien. I felt the goose bumps on my spine when he went up for a rebound and his gooooomby arms just shot and somehow managed to grip the ball (even though it's like catching a pass with chop sticks)!
Personally, I hate it. I think it's disgusting. Do something with the unibrow bro.
Sidenote, I think we should've went with the Blue away uniforms.
We're still in it. We've shot horribly, turned it over far more than usual, haven't rebounded and our interior D has been a sieve . . . but it's only an 8-point margin. We can do it. (I've got the lucky Maize Rage shirt on, too. Its winning percentage is outstanding.)
BIG officiating is a joke. Burke gets clobbered and pushed when he drives, no call. Appling hand checks him (barely) and the whistle blows. I know Michigan has no low post game and shoots a lot of threes, but they actually drive a lot and rarely get the benefit of contact. Still, they need to wake up and start matching State's intensity. That Burke three was huge, because we get the ball to start second.
THJ is one of two players that can make something happen off the dribble, yet either because he doesn't feel like it or he's being told not to he just sits in the corner and watches the offense play.
THJ isn't quick. He's got good size, a decent shot, and can maneuver a little off the dribble, but he isn't as quick as you would think.
But his dad is Tim Hardaway...
Need a run to start or it ain't happenin.
good drive Tim! thats what I like to see.
Finally, THJ going to the basket.
Okay I know he missed that, but that is what THJ should be doing all day! Start doing it from the opening tip Timmy!
They make some of the shittiest shots
When big athletic guys get in the paint against undersized teams, they score a lot of buckets.
This is UGLY!
Did Verne just call Novak a mouse in the house? The guy who has held green to a career avg of 7 points against Michigan? Wow. On a side not... scoring would be nice
Keep chucking, fellas.
This is what happens when you can't make a shot and your opponent can't miss. It's frustrating as hell.
They are shooting okay overall. It has more to do with us not making anything.
We are the worst supposedely good three point shooting team I've ever seen.
Oh man this is brutal, I feel worse for the players than myself
Smotz can't guard Payne and Novak is struggling on Green. Stop going small!
what the fuck are you doing Tim
Exactly the start Michigan didn't need TMJ 0-3 a turnover and down 12. Someone needs to step up
THJ, what are you trying to prove? Seriously. Cut it with the fadeaway crap.
these guys obviously don't want to compete.
THJ is a role player that we have elevated into a star in AA. He can't be depended on against tough competition
Hey, they love Novak!
Could be going for an and 1 if Morgan would slam it home...
If only Morgan could finish at the basket....potential 3 point play
5 straight possessions that ball doesn't get in the paint..
This is shaping up to be Hardaway's worst performance of his career
with the inside/rough play game.
The refs are letting it happen
Is up with Hardaway... this is brutal so far!!!
THJ needs a touch every possesion. Burke dribbling does nothing against good ds
go in this one I know but the game at Nebraska may be pretty important.
We're done. Time to run some errands. Goodbye everyone.
Thanks. Please don't come back.
How was that not a travel
The way this game is being called UM needs to use the moving pick like Sparty does to get guys open.
the damn travel! then he airball passes to himself.
8-0 run here would be nice
hey he makes one.
My kingdom for a tall guy.
It's not a travel if it's attempt at a shot..
If Tim gets going we have a chance.
I haven't watched any part of a game this team has won.
Their ability to throw the ball around the round thing is amazing.
If the point were to get the ball to hit the round thing without going through, this team would be awesome.
If Tim gets going we have a chance.
There is a chance.
Fuck this shit.
All right Tim . . . use that to get you going.
If Izzo never gets T'd up, I can't understand how Beilein just did.
go John Beilen advocate for your team
Oh John what the hell, but he has a case, how can you call one on Novak and not on State
Beilein arguing a call that was correct
He is arguing the inconsistent calls
A technical for what?
Yes. Let's show the freaks in the student section instead of what was going on, even if it was us getting T'd up.
I think a huge point of emphasis going into next year will be boxing out and putting our players in the best position to get those key rebounds.
Nice poise, Johnny.
Better put a helmet on. This is going to get bumpy.
How about you just take a seat for a while?
I probably shouldn't post on these threads
What the hell is Burke thinking with that shot? Hand in his face, pressure defense, fadeaway three? Quality shot!
Burke is a SG playing PG...
I wish there was a moderator option for dipshit.
well this is embarrassing
I don't question the effort, but there are no words to describe this performance
fad away three.
That tech came at a bad time, was clearly a travel, not sure what the complaining was about.
I hate basketball officiating. It would be more intellectually honest to spot the home team about 15 points and then call the game evenly.
An 8th grade team can dribble and hand off around the perimeter for 30 seconds and jack a 3. Ugh.
And isn't sure what to do. Trying to create a spark any way.
even if they beat us they'll probably come out flat next game after winning their superbowl, and it will mean absolutely nothing in the standings.
Sorry bro, but thew Spartans are the big boys in this game not the other way around. And right now, they are showing it.
Their defense is just too good today. If we win it will be the grittiest W in Mich history. Also, how big is their student section???
It seems that we lose every game that's on cbs. What the fuck?
for the Tournament.
So Izzo goes ballistic all game long and it's OK, but if Beilein complains it's a T? Big Ten officials seem to have a case of Stockholm Syndrome.
time to run izzo style. run those fat boys outta the gym.
Completely out muscled. Hopefully such interior destruction will not happen with MM next year. THJ get off the court- His d is laughable.
Morgan is the only one who is muscling up
It would be nice if Smotz would be able to man up and play in the paint...When he is in, he is not moving at the three point line
Thisis the first time where he is really missed
thj's guy gets that offensive rebound to keep it going. great game today thj.
T him up
give Izzo a fucking T
Tom Izzo is such a douche
Outrebounded 22 to 9 so far.
He just ranted longer and significantly more profanely than Beilein. Same situation -- arguing a call. He gets a warning, though? Such horseshit.
They whine like izzo its ridiculous
Why is it not a tech when Izzo runs out like a beligerent jackass?
wel there ya go the big difference is Michigan can't make a shot. State's defense is good but we're missing open looks oh well lost another game...
They whine like izzo its ridiculous
I hope I live to see the day when Michigan Basketball doesn't get completely dominated inside.
Can you stay alive till next year?
does anyone know Smotrycz and THJ's 3 pt percentage in Big Ten season?
I want to punch Izzo in his fucking throat. That is all.
He's a spazzy fucking moron who needs to settle it down.
there we go!!!
MSU gets a Tech.
technical on Izzo there we go
Can they retroactively give Izzo 5 Tech's?
He should've been tossed a while ago
Izzo bitches the whole fucking game and doesn't get a T is beyond me....
about fucking time
Hey, let's go straight to commercial when Izzo finally gets T'd up!
Finally a technical on Izzo
Finally T'd up Izzo.
Tommy gets a T?
Finally they make the right call and give him a technical
what could they possibly be complaining about? the block at the other end?
The flagrantly obvious block that wasn't even sort of close to being a charge.
Thank you refs for finally growing a pair.
Gets a couple of dunks...something to get the team & him going! Gonna need him if Michigan can make a couple of runs. to
But haha Dane Fife
SECOND-BEST FIFE! SECOND-BEST FIFE!
A tech on MSU now. Come on boys!