Can anyone try to convince me of one reason Beilein shouldn't bench THJ? Seriously.
Michigan vs. Michigan State Basketball Open Thread
i'm sure he looks down his bench and says "shit". no so much next year.
yeah, but not getting that starting position just because of his daddy may make him play with some earnest instead of entitlement...1/10 is downright juvenile...
I would be less concerned about it if THJ would play some fucking defense, but his bad shooting has led to very lazy defense. He can't contribute on either end right now. Tom Crean benched Wofford to start the 2nd half. Why can't coach B do the same thing??
Uh lack of a better option? Which is sad really, with how poor he is playing that there is no one who can step up and take it from him.
i really thought we would see improvement out of smot and vogrich which would provide some great depth. uh, not so much. very disappointing. their minutes may disappear next year with the incoming frosh.
No arguement here, although he needs more work with the coacheshe forces to many bad shotswhen he's nothitting.
I've been thinking the same thing for the past 5 or 6 games. I think he needs to earn his spot back, he has been just rotten in all phases of the game.
He's been awful lately. He's been shooting 17% for the past couple of months. I hope he gets his mojo back, because he should probably be otherwis riding the bench.
Who would start over him? Vogrich?
Given our extremely thin bench, it's probably better to just keep playing THJ and hope he can get through it.
Their plan was to stop Burke today and they did it, hats off to them.
but THJ was clearly the biggest culprit. dawson had a better game and he only played 17 minutes. he outscored thj 10-4 in those minutes.
much different game if thj does anything - on either end of the court.
A tough loss, but not unexpected. I am not inclined to say players gave up - MSU is a very good defensive club at home, and they basically shut down UM from inside and forced them to shoot a bunch of jumpers. MSU did exactly what they needed to do, and this team (as currently constructed) is going to be worked over by larger teams. It happens.
Still, the team is moving toward the postseason and will learn from this game. Illinois and Nebraska are next, and those need to be wins before OSU comes to town. But right now, considering how relatively young and inexperienced this team is at certain positions, I'm comfortable with the direction of the team.
Just a Michigan St. domination. Eh, it happens though. I'm still not sure how we managed to hang around the 10 pt. defecit mark the whole game though. The fact that, once again, Michigan hung around enough that if they were to have hit a few crucial shots at crucial times, they could have made a run to get within ~5 pts (and chip away from there). But once again they missed shots they needed to make to win, and THJ looked like sh*t. It happens. Give Izzo and MSU credit, they played a great game and were prepared/had a great gameplan (offensively and defensively).
An adequate symbol of today's game.
Annoying game. The terrible first-half effort really did us in. I thought we competed better in the second half but just couldn't string together a run. Every time we looked like we might have it in us, we'd miss a layup and then Green would drill a fadeaway at the other end. Kudos to Green - he backed up his words with probably the best game he's ever played against Michigan.
Oh well - I'll take the season split.
We didn't even come close in this one. The first 5 minutes dictated the pace of the game. We were sluggish on offense and nonchalant on defense. No intensity whatsover.
I think I'd still give the nod to Iowa. I'm scratching my head as to how we lost to those guys by 16. We've just had a hard time keeping up our intensity on the road, especially in the first half of games.
i think we may have overlooked them a bit. their bigs (especially that frosh) played pretty well in the first half. then they started hitting 3s in the second half and blew it open.
you obviously didn't watch the iowa or virginia games? state just poses a difficult match-up for us with all their size, and it showed with the rebounding edge. it's a credit we won 3 in a row against them.
outside of a couple layups, i thought the D was pretty good overall. green hit 3 or 4 15 ft turnarounds. there's nothing you can do to stop that. he missed those in past games.
They have a good basketball team, we have a good basketball team, and we split the series this year. We both should get good tournament seeds, and, as always, we're better people.
Worse things happen.
What a waste of time. Got teased when M got back to within 8. Wish we didn't spend the entire first half outside of the 3 point line. Need moar dishes to Jordan Morgan on pick and rolls.
The Puppy Bowl?
Those people on here that think this is still a Sweet Sixteen team I hope you see now that we have a large hill to climb for that to be possible. Rebounding is about effort and hustle and I did not see either today. I know we were on the road, blah... blah..... blah, but with THJ and Smortz. playing the way they are and having no bech rotation both tournaments are going to be tough.
we lost to the #9 team on the road right?
look at the teams ranked 10-20 and ask yourself if we can't beat them on a neutral court; despite thj. i say yes. and i say we can beat the top 10 teams, if thj gets his act together.
Winning road games in the B1G is tough. Winning in Breslin in tough. Winning against the #9 team, on the road, in Breslin, is really tough. (wish we would have given it a better effort, but my head is held high)
Here are some teams from last year who made the Sweet 16:
- Marquette - 20-14
- Richmond - 27-7 (A10 conference, though)
- VCU - 23-11
- FSU - 21-10
All of those teams had flaws at least as bad as UM's lack of size, yet all found a way to get hot for at least one weekend and beat a couple of teams. So no, I'm not going to freak out about a tough loss against the #9 team in the country, on the road, in the Big 10. This team isn't a FF squad, but this was a bad game, not some harbinger of a lost season.
I think this team is still making strides to show improvement for this program. I just do not feel that the team is playing well enough to cover up major flaws it has and they will be exposed in the tournament.
I am simply respomding to commentsmade last week in a discusion about the sweet 16 after the Ohio loss. Do not accuse me of trolling. What a buch of crap.
if a lot of other things would happen first.
If you can't get into college go to state clap clap.
This game was painful to watch. THJ is absolutely awful and forces so many unnecessary shots it is unreal. It is hard to bench him though just because we have no one else to step in. He is terrible on defense as well. Does anyone else seem him as being kind of like a cancer to this team? I honestly think Belien needs to not start him against Nebraska just to let him know that he isn't invincible and is capable of losing his starting spot. I don't care if he comes in right after the first T.V. timeout. I just think he needs a wake up call because he just seems like he only cares about getting points and when he doesn't get his touches/points he just loses all focus in the game. I am just frustrated watching this team right now. I figured we would lose to state but didn't think we would play this poorly. I think the only players that ever play with any heart on this team are Burke, Novack, Morgan, and Stu and I don't even think Morgan and Stu are any good lol....It is going to be sad when Novack leaves because this team lacks any leadership outside of him. I think Burke will eventually take this roll but it is so hard for a young guy to be a leader. Just hope we can finish strong and make it into the tourney and hopefully make a sweet 16.
to MSU. They had a better game-plan and executed much better than us today. Greene was playing on half a leg and Appling seemed to have his head on straight after many games of playing poorly.
Congrats Sparty, Congrats. Today is your turn in the sun. Enjoy it while it lasts. You certainly deserve all the credit and praise today.
Picked a bad time to have the worst game of his career. Don't know what has happened to his shot but the dude can't hit *anything*. Confidence? Technique? Focus? I dunno, I hope he can power through whatever the problem is in time for the tourney. Yeesh
THJ is now 7 for 40 from deep in his last 7 games. I don't know what to do about it though because I don't want Akunne out on the court...
Also, how do people feel about J Mo getting more touches? I feel like he is actually a decent post player offensively, but I don't think he gets the ball down there enough. Also, as some of you may have seen me post before, I want Jon back more and more every game, anybody know his status? I mean, I realize he is dressing and traveling now, but whats the plan for the future? It's a shame he can't redshirt, he only played in 4 games that meant anything at all.