Need to fire offensive coordinator. Offense was way too predictiable.
Michigan vs. ISU (Snowflakes) Thread
I wish the negs would come back
I guess you do not understand sarcasm unless there is a /s.
Dude, why the hell should anyone think that was sarcasm? Don't blame the board for your lack of execution
"Dude:" I knew it was sarcasm instantly.
The problem is your post wasn't funny. The fire Borges shit is tired and repeated too much in a hope for a laugh and translating it here is just unoriginal and lame and even more tired.
...it was funny. How could you not smile (or laugh) at that? Well crafted .
Well crafted? It's basically been the first reply to every post. Funny the first time, but come on. Have some originality.
I really was not trying to be funny. I just rather everyone be mad at my post then how the team played. It kind of worked since I got jumped on pretty quick.
Btw it was more of a shot at all the people that see every setback as a sky is falling.
Borges: Has won nothing, ruined two QB's, and has been in charge of an offense that seems to be getting worse by the week. He is also overseeing one of the worst offensive lines I have ever seen in college football, let alone at Michigan.
Beilein: Taken the team to a national championship game, Won a Big Ten Title, got the team back to the NCAA Tourney after a long drought, found and developed a 3 star recruit into the national player of the year.
I can see why you would compare the two sitautions. So much in common between the two.
borges was coordinator when we won the sugar bowl (a bcs bowl incase you forgot), and had 2 thousand yard rushers for the first time in forever, has gotten gallon to be the first thousand yard reciever since 2007 and on track to possibly break the michigan recieving record.
This team with the worst offensive line you have ever seen in college football and the ruined qb is still 7-3 and has scored 59, 41, 42, 40, and 63 points in games this year.
The hoops Borges apologists jump through to justify their god is simply amazing. I mean, they seriously want to make a case that Borges should be compared to Beilein...
But seriously, fire Borges.
We get that it's sarcasm. It's also dumb and played out.
As long as Borges has a job it will never be dumb and or played out.
That was funny, i miss the old voting everything is bland LIKE OUR OFFENSE
I'm always curious when I see a poster deriding a popular board opinion.
Do you seriously think Borges should keep his job, or are you just "David from Wyoming 2.0" and simply perpetually insufferable? I don't understand how anyone can actually justify Funk or Borges keeping their jobs with a straight face.
Back to our regularly scheduled basketball programming (where points are put on the board in a competitive fashion).
It's rapidly devolving into the "Fire RichRod" board posts. Almost all of us are in agreement that something needs to be done about the offense but constantly posting "Fire Borges lol" is just getting tired.
Not a bad loss no doubt they can build on it. Walton played better than i thought he would. McGary is a beast but needs to get in rhythm. Levert can't b completely relied on in the clutch hopefully that can b fixed. We out rebounded them I believe but still needs work. Overall I like what I see and it's still NOVEMBER
Looked like a stud against inferior competition and a dud in the teams first game vs a real team. GR3 is shaky at best as a main scorer. Mitch looked good for his first game. I think they are going to have some serious growing pains as they try to figure out their identity.
Also, Walton was a bright spot and when he learns to assert himself more at crunch time, I don't see us losing games like this. Irvin, on the other hand, needs to gain some experience and confidence, before he will really make a positive contribution.
We deserved to lose with that clutch time play...No Robinson or LeVert....but officiating was atrocious.
Good things to take out of this....McGary is good and will get better....and Stauskus has taken a huge step forward
Wondering why with our length we saw little zone on D, especially when it became clear we were having trouble jumping out on pick-and-rolls
Beilein's pretty consistently on record with not liking to go to zone unless the team has it perfected in practice. With such a young team and McGary probably not practicing those zone drills the last few weeks, I wasn't surprised.
Sure, it would have been a nice weapon to have, I bet they just aren't there yet.
Playing zone against ISU is not advisable. ANd it would have exacerbated the rebounding issue even more
Basketball is often a game of possessions.
If you go zone and get 3-4 consective defensive stops before they "figure it out" or catch up to it and burn you. It's worth it.
I would've done it just for the sake of throwing a different look at them. Often times that's enough to at least slow the other team down and break the rythym. It was certainly worth a shot.
In fact, someone should ask why we didn't go zone for a little bit.
We have not gained enough in other ways to make up for losing the best player in college basketball.
Rushing the court the third game into the season? Lame isu
Their fans are idiots. That's a pretty good team, but I want to root against them all year because of those yahoos.
It would be nice for them to be a decent to good team. If they are then this loss will be a "good loss". Obviously none are good but a loss at a good team's home stadium will not be bad. Just have to learn from this and use it as motivation to get better.
Umm, best for our Sagarin if u root FOR them. Just sayin...
But it was such a big upset....
...oh wait, no it wasn't.
and Sweet Caroline...how cliche
I bet they play Gary Glitter's Rock n Roll part 1 during intros.
And the 'over rated' chant started with 5 mins left... when they were up 2. Really would have liked to see that one bite them in the ass.
They weren't chanting over rated. It was something much more vulgar.
That's not going to happen later in the year. That's just a lack of Burke and Hardaway to provide leadership late in the game.
Biggest thing we couldn't take advantage of was when ISU switched McGary ball screens.
This will come with time. I like the idea of Stauskas being the guy we go to with ball screens with McGary while Walton is still gaining experience. By B10 play we'll need Walton and/or Spike to also be there.
I like Stauskas being the go-to guy in general. I'm not convinced that Robinson can create on his own, but his physical improvement should certainly make him a better player compared with last year. McGary is probably the next player who can create for himself and others via high or low post touches. Last year he showed a great ability to drive to the bucket in isolation or pick and roll situations. He missed an opportunity to do so at least once today, settling for a short jumper.
I think as the year goes on, Walton will be more and more comfortable attacking and creating offense. If he can convert a reasonable number of open three attempts, that should make us a contender. I like what Spike has shown so far, but Walton is just on another level athletically.
It's early in the year in a hostile environment. Iowa State is a good team, so it's not a bad loss. Lots to learn from this game, hopefully it gives them an edge when they play down in Puerto Rico.
Caris struggled against big time competition. As did Walton, but freshman PG in first road game against a pretty good team, I'm not super surprised. We generally didn't shoot well despite a lot of open looks, which is really what killed us on offense.
Defensively we caught some really bad switches down the stretch that got Caris in the post against a big dude. That went as you'd expect. Ejim is really good so that was a problem.
As for rebounding... we had a dReb rate of 82% opposed to their 78%.
I really don't think rebounding was a major issue. I think we failed to hit shots. Pretty simple.
What is interesting is that we had the slight edge in effective FG% for much of the game, but in the end, ISU's eFG% was 50.82% to our 47.83%. We did get cold at precisely the wrong moment, it seems.
and the team was 8-29 from behind the arc. Going on the road against good teams is hard enough, and when you shoot that badly to boot, pulling off the win is a tall order.
Regardless, this is the kind of opponent they should be playing in the non-conference. You only learn so much from playing Concordia.
I didn't think I would miss Burke this bad. We need a closer.
You didn't think losing the national player of the year might pose some challenges?
This game does not upset me and I refuse to act like an idiot two days in a row. It's the third game of the year and honestly I kind of saw it going like this once I saw Robinson was going to have one of his off games.
Good chance for the coaching staff to teach about better defense and better shot selection.
McGary and Stauskas played well.
Albrecht and Horford played "average"
GRIII, LeVert and the 2 freshman had bad games.
We probably played better than expected when you take this into account.
For a while he was Michigan's only offense. Putting him in the same category as GRIII is going too far
ISU managed to go from a team that I didn't really care about to a team that I strongly dislike.
Being loud and roudy is one thing. Repeating "Fuck McGary" over and over again at a player that has no bad history vs ISU and for seemingly no reason is an entirely different beast.
And god damn the officiating. It didn't directly cause the loss, but you'd have to be crazy to deny that it wasn't at least a factor.
That is probably it, but that is a terrible reason. The refs reviewed it and said he didn't. Then they chanted it again later in the game.
"The refs reviewed it and said he didn't" cannot have been meant seriously.
Did that not happen?
The refs went to the tape and determined that it wasn't a flagrant foul.
McGary and Stauskas looked great. Yeah, Nik missed some open threes, but he also hit some awfully difficult ones when we needed it. He's our #1 offensive option right now and I thought he played pretty well.
Spike looked fine. Walton really impressed me with his aggressiveness towards the basket. A couple times I thought it was LeVert because of how quick he hit the baseline and went up with the ball. Very good stuff.
GR3 played terribly. Not that surprising. I love the kid and I think he has an enormous amount of potential, but that was a repeat performance of exactly why everyone criticized him last year. The only difference is that his shooting looks worse this year. I dunno, man.
Also, Irvin looks lost 100% of the time.
Not really encouraging, but it's not a terrible loss.
It is weird, when you wait for somebody to explode and put all all their talent together, obviously there is the assumption that there is another level there that we have not seen. But when you are waiting, and then you are waiting, and then you are waitng, you start to question whether there is another gear there for him in the first place. Your right, he just looks tentative. Not the body language I was hoping for from him.
Exactly. I don't necessarily expect him to come out and be a world-beater, but he's shown no improvement thus far this season. Stauskas is stronger and is more assertive and dominant. LeVert took a big leap (although he didn't play that well tonight). Spike looks comfortable running everything.
GR3 doesn't look improved offensively or defensively. Every timeout, I just want McGary to start shaking him because he looked like he slept-walk through that game.
Anytime GR3 and Irvin are on the floor together, we're so stagnant.
Well, we're 1 game, 2 glorified scrimmages and 2 actual scrimmages into the season. And he's looked fine up to now.
He's not a creator with the ball. He's not going to be, so its best to get that expectation out of your head. He's an athletic freak who will rebound with anyone in the B10, can defend the perimeter, will get some steals, and can run the floor. That's what he is and he's very good to great at all those things.
He's not going to destroy guys off the dribble all game.
Of course, I'm not saying he's "bad." But for a lottery pick, pre-season All-American-type player, there's still question marks that leave a lot to be desired.
And I never expected him to be a big creator. That's pretty obvious - he can't really do it. His shooting numbers tonight (mind you, these were mostly uncontested) were pretty poor, and he doesn't have that first-step to blow by anyone one-on-one.
I just get excited about his athleticism and potential and he's still not making that sophomore jump (at least not yet). He's like the Frank Clark of this year's basketball team.
I haven't ever seen anything from him that justifies that kind of hype. He's a good kid who can be explosive offensively at times, but he's way too inconsistent to be considered a true All-American yet. Maybe by the end of the season he will.
the feeling you are just being antogonistic. Nobody is hating on Robinson, we are evaluating his play tonight. He looked really tentative all game. I think people are expecting a step forward and that was not it. That's all.
Except people were hating on Robinson, especially in the game thread.
Sorry, I might be extrapolating that extreme onto people who are concerned in a more mature manner.
I get upset when people bash on players who are putting forth 100% effort.
Not trying to be antagonistic, but the micro-evaluation is maybe wearing on me. Let the season play out - guys should be allowed to have poor shooting nights without having a fan base call them "soft" or "a joke" or some of the other, worse things said in the game thread.
and normally I wouldn't feel bad losing to an 'upstart' team who probably just got their best win of the season but for the "Fuck McGary" chant, I hope they lose every game from here. What a bunch of corn husking clowns
And probably took to many damn shots. Gotta get to the cup and charity stripe. And refs were very frustrating to say the least.
1. Interior defense, 2. Too much reliance on contested threes, 3. GRIII still tentative. He is a beast. I wish he would just realize it.
...and their coach seems like a class act.
Their fans can go to hell and I hope Borges is fired from Michigan and goes to ISU and they have to ensure 3 years of hell.
You're wishing Borges on them?
Also, is our defense just that terrible? LeVert was supposed to be our defensive specialist and he just got straight up schooled consistently. By multiple ISU guys. I thought we'd take a tiny step forward in that department but no.
And not that it decided the win or loss, but that was some very suspect officiating midway through the second half. A lot of fouls that were called that didn't affect the gameplay but obviously had a larger impact come the end of the game. I understand the hand checking and charges that are going to be called differently, but there was a span of two or three minutes that was pretty brutal to watch.
A few costly turnovers but overall a good game IMO. Lavert on the other hand had ball security issues and also became a defensive liability.
My concern is why Belien chose to play Lavert so much when he so clearly struggled. They missed a lot of open shots as a team. When Lavert offered nothing offensively and struggled defensively I thought Belien needed to switch things up some.
We could barely keep players in front of us as it was. Did you see how much penetration they were getting? If we put another slow-footed guy in there we would have been screwed (not to mention it would hurt the offense, too).
Rebounding was a question of effort and poor officiating, not size. Iowa State was allowed to get away with murder and also hustled to every loose ball. Michigan did not.
I need the Stauskas dunk and the ISU fan belly rub .gif'd SO bad.
Those jumpers off the passing rotation rather than hesitating than passing for this team to become great. He doesn't have to be Burke; he just has to take the shot if it's there.
Luckily it's November and there's plenty of time and experience to come. November doesn't matter. March does.
Also, I'm sure that The ISU athletic department would love a bunch of tweets @CycloneATH commending their fans directly attacking a player with profanity on national TV.
I approve of this use of social media.
How dare fans (that aren't at a university of Michigan hockey game) use profanity. OUTRAGE!
Glenn Robinson III is a joke. I've been saying it since last year. Overall no where near as good as he's supposed to be. I can't remember the last time he did good against a good team. He's only a projected lotery pick because of his daddy.
Please shut up. As good as he's supposed to be? Sorry he's not living up to yours or others ridiculous expectations. He was our leading rebounder this game and had 4 steals.
Do you expect him to be an off-the-dribble creator? Because he isn't. He never will be. That doesn't mean he's a joke.
I mean I disagreed with his "joke" comment too but to say that he is never going to be an off the dribble creator is just as problematic. I think those lottery pick prognostications are indeed based on the assumption that he can and will develop that part of his game. He had some nice rebounds but you have to admit, if that is anywhere close to his ceiling it is somewhat alarming.
Sure, he'll need to be able to create his own shot in some way. But I think expectations are that since he was a supposed lotto pick (according to...) that he should be able to create off the dribble with the best of them.
But that's not his strength. That's fine.
Look at THJr. He was even worse creating off the dribble. He's doing fine.
GR3 will develop enough of a skill set to create shots in certain situations. He hasn't really been asked to do that at the college level until now. It'll come. He won't be Rajon Rondo, though, and if anyone thinks he will be simply because some NBA people put the lotto tag on him, then their expectations are out of whack.
Excellent rebounder. Plus defender. Plus athlete. Plus on the break. He's a very good player and his strengths are all the un-flashy things which is why - I feel - people are bashing him without looking at the whole picture.
He needs to finish at a higher rate. His history says he will. Lets not extrapolate from too little data for this year.
Well, to be fair, THJ is a much better shooter than GRIII and that's why he's having success. I think GRIII should have a red light from the arc for the time being.
I wasn't too fond of Hardaway JR. either. The problem is, Robinson can't make a shot if he's two feet away from the basket. And obviously it's not my expecations, it's someone else's if he's being a projected lotery pick. I expected him to improve, but I never expected him to be "great". So far he's shown that he's the same level as last year.
Strengths are the unflashy things?? I have to completely disagree
Gets a lot of boards, gets his hands in the pass in lanes a lot, uses athleticism to get to loose balls, can lead a break off a rebound and can run the floor really quick. I think those are the things he is talking about.
I am as critical as the next guy but to say he is a joke is really premature.
Yeah, that's an overreaction after a tough road loss. I'm pretty damn critical of GR3 but to say he's a joke is kinda out there.
At the same time, I just don't understand how someone with that much athleticism and talent can't put it together. He doesn't have to create his own shot. But for coaches and players and the media who rave about his basketball IQ? I dunno, I haven't seen a lot of it this season.
Not to double down on my first point, but the officiating wasn't terrible and here's a reason why:
Michigan did not get the ball into the paint. We really struggled taking advantage of the switch on the ball screens (something Burke excelled at) and it resulted in a lot of jumpshots. I think had we gotten the ball into the lane more, we probably would be seeing ISU fans bitching about the officiating.
If you look back at the calls, I don't think there were many that were blatantly wrong (e.g. the McGary to the floor on the rebound before GR3 fouled a rebounder was the correct no-call then correct call if you watched the replay). However, ISU put themselves in a better position to take advantage of the whistles by playing inside out. We needed to get the ball to McGary in the post more, but couldn't.
They were calling touch fouls on Michigan when ISU had the ball, but allowing the Cyclones to get away with murder.
I'm pretty sure ISU fans thought the refs were turrible too, wich is a sign that they were actually pretty even handed
We'll agree to disagree.
I'll admit I view this as being a former official and now coach so I think I am able to put away the fan bias better than I was 10 years ago. I watched all the questionable calls twice and I don't think it was very uneven.
There were 1 or 2 calls I was surprised about but even after second viewing I couldn't say they were egregiously wrong. That's not terrible.
I didn't think many of the calls on Michigan were bad, the issue is the level of no-calls on the other end of the court. The level of roughness called needs to be the same on both ends.
That's the main issue with NCAA officiating - since it exists in a grey area where any one call cannot be discussed in isolation, it therefore needs to be consistent with the rest of the officiating which makes it difficult to analyze.
ISU is a quality team with a very good coach who just played the biggest home game in history. They will make the tourney and probably get a 5-6 seed.
This team is young and missing Burke- no one is filling that hole right now, espeically the freshmen. Levert is being leaned on a ton offensively right now. I think he's still a pleasent surprise, but we have stauskas as the #1 offensive guy and levert as #2- that's not good.
Let's hope Irvin and Walton can develope and GRIII can start playing like an NBA 1st round pick. until then, we'll have trouble scoring, especially late in the game.
I think Walton is doing a fantastic job replacing the unreplaceable Burke.
I think the problem is we're missing Timmy. Without another big shooter (other than Stauskas) on the wing, we're fairly easy to defend. Not to mention GR3 isn't an offensive threat and we don't have post-offense.
But I don't think Cris LeVert is awesome like everyone else on this blog seems to think. He's still too small for his position, which is kinda the norm for Coach B I guess. He still get completely abused on defense. He's good passer for his size, but he's not a great shooter or scorer. I'm just confused by the praise hept upon him around here. He's not a bad player, but I'll go on record here saying that he'll never be a star-player.
Completely agree. Thanks for saying my thoughts
Good that you got that on record.
If any of you guys are using these gross fountains at Golden Corral you're crazy.
Those things are fucking disgusting. What if a kid sneezes into it? Who knows what fall into those things and is breeding in that hot chocolate.
MGoBloggers, please, for my sanity. Boycott the CG chocolate fountains.
...okay sorry, back to bitching about the refs.
I agree with the classless chants from the ISU fans -- pretty lame.
I have a very hard time getting into basketball because of how many times I see the official obviously and unabashedly handicap one team, and basically give the other team a HUGE advantage. Sometimes the handicapped team can overcome the disparity in calls, other times they cannot. This one was bad, IMO, but no where near as egregious as last year's NCAA Final, nor the Illinois vs. UNC NCAA Final a few years back. I'll watch, and root for my Wolverines, but I just feel like the games are fixed more often than not.
A healthy, fully in game-shape, well practiced McGary and this game would've been a 7-10 point win. It's all good.
That was a lower scoring game than I expected. Some really bad looking numbers for Robinson (4-14) and Caris (2-9). Michigan's little run in the second half came off defense...they are going to need more of that to get out in transition.
- We need to shoot better and get McGary in the rotation more when he gets more stamina going.
-Walton and Irvin looked a bit shaky, they're freshmen, they'll get better
- At the end of the game, we did a bad job of trying to get open and go for 3's.
- Morgan and Horford had bad games, especially Morgan.
- It wasn't the worse loss, we can learn from it, it's still a great team that will contend all year.
I actually thought Walton had a good game. He finished around the rim and his turnovers were low. For me I wanted more from GR3.
They really have to improve their weak side defense. Shot selection also has to improve. They'll be fine in the long run. Hilton is a tough place to play and they were definitely flustered in the first half.
Also, Cyclone fans are massive D bags. Only place in America that rushes the floor when favored in Vegas.
I thought LeVert and GR3 forced things on O a few times. LeVert's time in the front court should be limited/eliminated, if a switch forces him down low we need to look to help ASAP.
Great to see McGary back and doing McGary things like his steal + coast to coast. Walton played very well considering the environment.
I get that this team can make the three...but I felt like a lot of shots were not good shots. Rebounding was also frustrating to watch.
I'm not terribly upset about this loss though. I think the kids hear the coaching better after a loss than a win so I think the issues will be sorted out in no time.
When Stauskas threw that dunk down was the best part of the game
Are we really that upset about the "Fuck McGary" chant? What, you think it hurt his feelings? I'm sure he'll recover.
we just didnt execute
Terrible. Fire Borges. But really. It is November and ISU is a good team. Tough early game with a young team. They'll be fine.
Didn't want a loss this early.
We didn't make our 3-point shots because they were contested - the only way you can open that up is to go inside. When we tried to go inside, they were fairly rough and were not getting called, but on othe other end of the court we couldn't have a clean block without getting called. Because of that, our defense opened up, probably more than it needed to. When you're playing a different game at each end of the court it makes things really hard. This is a major issue with NCAA basketball - either the team needs to learn how to adapt to it or we're going to have another dissapointing end to our tournament run.
Also, even mentioning the OC in a basketball thread should be a 1-week ban.
Thank God we did not lose to NW in football this weekend. The board would be sucidal.
Whether it's sarcasm or not, I agree about the OC comments. The football threads are already unreadable - not it's going to pop up everywhere?
Disappointing. We seemed in control for long stretches but didn't finish either half well. We settled for too many threes, a lot of them rushed. It's going to take a little while for the offense to get the kind of consistent flow it had last year, with an experienced Burke. We're also going to have to figure out how we're going to defend big 4s because the LeVert experiment there was not the best. Oh well, it's a learning experience.
Stauskus has added a dimension this year and looked like our best player at times, but it look like he still gets a little too caught up in the moment emotionally. McGary is a stud--hopefully he'll be more centrally incorportated in the offense as he gets healthier (including the late-game offense). Spike looked like he was in control out there, and I liked what I saw from Walton, too. I was curious not to see McGary and Horford out there together. I think it may have helped get McGary more active on offense in a sort of Webber-like role, and we could've used more protection around the rim on D.
Not sure what to think about GRIII--he seems like a fourth or fifth option on offense who should just be getting clean-up buckets and alley-oops. Doesn't seem like someone who should be taking jumpers (especially 3's). I think the offense should run through Stauskus, McGary, and Walton in games, and that's where it will end up.
Levert didn't help make the case that he's a viable crunch time player against real competition.
In sum, fire Borges.
We looked good for our first road game. It's early but I would like another consistent threat outside, besides Stauskas. Gave up too many O Rebs & second chance points.
anybody wonder why McGary was not on the post late in the game. We are going to have to establish post presence and force teams to double to get better shots. ISU won that game because they exploited the matchup up of LeVert guarding Niang on the post late in that game
It could be just that they're easing him back in the rotation. He played more total minutes (22) than I would have expected coming in.
His first post move was great, he just didn't finish. But it was a real good look. After that, he started settling for quick pull-ups and turnarounds. Hope he looks to work his defender more like the first time he caught it in the post.
Late in the game it looked like we weren't being patient enough on offense to look into the post.
Levert didn't look like he's played very much post defense before this game. Seemed pretty hopeless.
This is a good loss. This will prepare the young guys for what they will be getting into on 12/3 and in the B1G season.
Off to Puerto Rico
Also, team looked good for its first road game. Not too upset at all about thus loss. We could use one more solid shooter...hopefully it will be Irvin eventually. I really like this team. Everyone contributes.
For non stop hackey journalists and posters writing about the football team trying to avoid a second loss in the state of Iowa.
It's not surprising that we didn't get anything considering that it was the NC game refs that we were playing with.
When Mcgary's back in the starting lineup, we'll be starting 4 sophomores and a freshman. And we lost the POY. It'll may take a little time--but it only matters what happens in March and April--as we discovered last season.
We have played 3 games. We must be perfect now and if we aren't, it is because we are Michigan and we can't have anything nice.
Many concerns, but only only the third game of the season, so I'm not going to panic:
1. Interior defense: Really bad to say the least... I don't know why Irvin played that long when Morgan alongside McGary would have been a much better defensive option... Either way, we have to be a lot better there.
2. Way too many 3s: While shooting the three ball is one of our strong suits, we cannot really rely on it to keep us in these types of games... Rarely fed the ball into McGary (his main points really just came on putbacks) and GRIII was very unintelligent with his shot selection. While I can deal with Stauskas taking 8-10, I don't like the rest taking 25 combined.
3. Working the ball around: While we looked very good at times here, the ball movement looked very shaky especially late in the game (probably because of youth). I feel like this is a team made to have a solid combination of a powerful inside game with a sharp threat outside as well. Heck, I feel like we look the best in transition. This team is probably the most complete that I have seen in years... We need to put it all together now.
Again, still terribly early in the season... This upcoming weekend should really give this team strong experience against more quality opponents...
Also, ISU is a bunch of classless neanderthals, students at least.
Number 2 was a common complaint last year and is going to be a complaint for as long as Beilein is here. I've just accepted it. I just hope Stauskas can be as clutch as Burke was, and I think he can be.
Team felt a little out of synch during different parts of the night. Great to have McGary back but it was obvious the rest of the team hasn't played a ton with him this year.
But who cares???? Why not just look forward to a high profile game between two highly ranked teams. I'm a big fan of our team and I saw yesterday that we have everything we need to have another great year. We were right in it until the end and Beilein got some great info on what we'll need to do in crunch time without Trey. I think that is the thing we need to learn. What offense will we implement in close games down the stretch.
I'll be rooting for ISU in the Big 12, but thought their fans were losers when then stormed the floor and that was before I learned what they were chanting about McGary.
How will this board react if Borges isn't fired?!? I actually hope he's given one more year.
He gained a lot of muscle and weight. Plus his vertical is really good. So fans thought that meant he was ready to "breakout". That's how a hype train starts. Then when you actually see him play, reality sets in.
Borges or McGary?
And his 3pt shot was spot on the first few games this season. He actually started out the same last year too, before his shooting tailed off a bit.
I don't see why he's regarded as a lottery pick. He has never been very consistent and it seems that when the game is close he is rarely the player that gives us a boost. I'm not gonna pass judgement yet but I'm still not impressed. Stauskas is far more of a complete player and IMO has more of a nba future
I've said it beginning early last season: GRIII can't create for himself and is lacking in ball handling skills. He is pretty much a glorified recipient of alley oops. With his body and athleticism, if he had some confindence in himself and his dribbling, there's no reason why he couldn't posses the same overpowering driving ability that THJ showed. Until he does that, he'll just be an under producing hype machine in college on his way to the NBA lottery.
I think he can, but he's trying to rely too much on athleticism and just blow straight to the basket every time in isolation opportunities. He should use more ball fakes and shiftiness with his body (like using his shoulders to fake one way before crossing over). When he does beat his man, when the help defense is there and ready, he needs to do more jump stopping and ball faking. Help defenders are almost always ready to jump out of their shoes going for a shot fake. Athelticism is more useful for taking advantage when defenders are out of position than to get defenders out of position.
I'm always less bummed out by early-season losses in basketball because they usually don't hurt you late in the year unless the opposition just craters. ISU looked like a tourney team, and a road loss is going to help this team establish itself going forward. It remains a team a level behind MSU, but otherwise this team still looked decent despite McGary coming back from injury and the team still finding itself with the new parts.
It's borges's fault, he should be fired.
Im just waiting for someone to gif that Stauskas dunk.
I don't know... That dunk stacks up very well with the one THJ threw down in the last game that shall not be mentioned... Though, THJ's was on a much bigger stage.
I just want Nic shooting our late threes to get back into the game more often.
The areas for improvement I noticed the most are: 1. Walton's ability to feed the bigs down low. When the threes go cold we've got to have the ability to pound it inside for easy buckets. This was a huge part o Burke's game and something we're missing right now. 2. Team defense is lacking. Just need to figure out the new roles and I'm confident this will improve. 3. GR3 has gone from one end of the spectrum to the other as others have said. He's been forcing a lot so far this season. I think he may have heard the calls to make his own offense a little too much both in the locker room and outside it. Just needs to find the right balance. 4. We need someone who can drive the lane with some level of success. It seems like Stauskas and Levert have some ability to get to the lane but I don't know about their ability to actually finish contested at the rim and I think later in the year teams will figure out they're just going o kick it out and adjust.
I'm confident well improve
It will be interesting to see how this season plays out. Early season losses can help teams get better and improve as the season goes along. Burke was just insanely awesome and this team will miss not only his play but his leadership. If the team struggles I wonder if people will still be praising Beilein and his coaching changes?
is more than a jump shooter.
1. Too many quick jump shots. For any team, unless they're on, this is pretty much a recipe for poor shooting and easy transition looks for the other team. We seemed to be rushing out there in general, which is probably the result of a young team playing in a tough road environment early in the season and also inexperienced point guard play. The times Walton and Albrecht took the opportunity to assertively compose the half-court offense, we executed and established command of the game flow, but these were few and far between.
2. We got out-muscled on the interior. I realize McGary's minutes were being limited, so this could have a played into to why he wasn't ever on the floor together with Horford, but having Caris defend in the post as opposed to GRIII had the same result - getting overpowered for high-percentage deep posts looks and offensive putbacks. I don't agree with general sentiment on this blog that "2 bigs doesn't work." This may be true for teams that primarily or entirely use small lineups, but if we don't use two bigs against teams like Arizona, MSU, and some other B1G teams, it will be very, very tough to win those games. It's all about matchups.
I also realize that Beilein may have been going small to try to have a better offensive flow, but in basketball, it's much easier to get an offensive flow initially established through transition opportunities generated off of defense than half-court execution. The small lineup couldn't get enough stops and rebounds to sufficiently generate these opportunities.
An interesting principle I've recognized in basketball is that defensive lineups work better for coming back from deficits, while more offensive lineups work better for maintaining leads. Basketball is all about getting high-percentage shots, which come off of transition, low-post position, and offensive rebounds. The team that's forced to take more jump shots in half-court offense will almost always be on the losing side.
Yet another game in which GRIII failed to impress. And I continue to fail to understand the hype this kid gets.
He has all the talent in the world. But he is not aggressive with or without the ball. That is one trait that is almost impossible to teach. I suspect GRIII is what he is going to be at this point, which is not to bad but not going to take over games.
This is why I tend to think he doesn't have all the talent in the world. He needs to improve and grow his skillet.
As a thought experiment, give him a different last name, a different father, yet the same level of talent and the same level of play he has demonstrated, and there is no doubt in my mind he gets at the most 50% of they hype he had received thus far.
With the injection of McGary this team had to take a step back until everyone gels and is on the same page. This team will be ready by the time the Big 10 season begins and will run deep into April.
We played the best when McGary was on the floor. Although the hockey-frequent substitutions did seem to have everyone unbalanced, and that was partially necessitated by the need to limit the length of McGary's stints out there.