Michigan vs. ISU (Snowflakes) Thread

Submitted by Mr. Yost on

Tough road loss.

 

 

+ Got Experience
+ Non-conference
+ Looked good in spurts

- Refs
- Interior defense
- Rebounding

...not a bad loss in the grand scheme of things. Just hate to lose games that you feel should've won. That said, it was a tough loss...McGary's first game, and we did look good in spurts. Everyone is going to complain about the refs, and rightfully so. But we didn't play perfect.

I thought our subs were awful, we never went to "2 bigs" and ISU DOMINATED us on the boards and in the post.

GoBlueNorthside

November 18th, 2013 at 12:50 PM ^

I didn't think many of the calls on Michigan were bad, the issue is the level of no-calls on the other end of the court. The level of roughness called needs to be the same on both ends.

That's the main issue with NCAA officiating - since it exists in a grey area where any one call cannot be discussed in isolation, it therefore needs to be consistent with the rest of the officiating which makes it difficult to analyze.

Michigan Arrogance

November 17th, 2013 at 7:16 PM ^

ISU is a quality team with a very good coach who just played the biggest home game in history. They will make the tourney and probably get  a 5-6 seed.

This team is young and missing Burke- no one is filling that hole right now, espeically the freshmen. Levert is being leaned on a ton offensively right now. I think he's still a pleasent surprise, but we have stauskas as the #1 offensive guy and levert as #2- that's not good.

Let's hope Irvin and Walton can develope and GRIII can start playing like an NBA 1st round pick. until then, we'll have trouble scoring, especially late in the game.

HollywoodHokeHogan

November 17th, 2013 at 7:17 PM ^

 

   But I don't think Cris LeVert is awesome like everyone else on this blog seems to think.  He's still too small for his position, which is kinda the norm for Coach B I guess.  He still get completely abused on defense.    He's good passer for his size, but he's not a great shooter or scorer.  I'm just confused by the praise hept upon him around here.  He's not a bad player, but I'll go on record here saying that he'll never be a star-player. 

Mr. Yost

November 17th, 2013 at 7:17 PM ^

If any of you guys are using these gross fountains at Golden Corral you're crazy.

Those things are fucking disgusting. What if a kid sneezes into it? Who knows what fall into those things and is breeding in that hot chocolate.

MGoBloggers, please, for my sanity. Boycott the CG chocolate fountains.

 

...okay sorry, back to bitching about the refs.

BILG

November 17th, 2013 at 7:18 PM ^

He is a slick player on offense and decent perimeter defender.  Still needs another 10 to 15 pounds.  Probably need to switch to 2-3 zone in that situation or sit him.  Good experience overall for the team.   And fire Borges!

Sten Carlson

November 17th, 2013 at 7:18 PM ^

I agree with the classless chants from the ISU fans -- pretty lame.

I have a very hard time getting into basketball because of how many times I see the official obviously and unabashedly handicap one team, and basically give the other team a HUGE advantage.  Sometimes the handicapped team can overcome the disparity in calls, other times they cannot.  This one was bad, IMO, but no where near as egregious as last year's NCAA Final, nor the Illinois vs. UNC NCAA Final a few years back.  I'll watch, and root for my Wolverines, but I just feel like the games are fixed more often than not.

AlwaysBlue

November 17th, 2013 at 7:20 PM ^

That was a lower scoring game than I expected. Some really bad looking numbers for Robinson (4-14) and Caris (2-9). Michigan's little run in the second half came off defense...they are going to need more of that to get out in transition.

San Diego Mick

November 17th, 2013 at 7:21 PM ^

- We need to shoot better and get McGary in the rotation more when he gets more stamina going.

-Walton and Irvin looked a bit shaky, they're freshmen, they'll get better

- At the end of the game, we did a bad job of trying to get open and go for 3's.

- Morgan and Horford had bad games, especially Morgan.

- It wasn't the worse loss, we can learn from it, it's still a great team that will contend all year.

stmccoy

November 17th, 2013 at 7:25 PM ^

They really have to improve their weak side defense. Shot selection also has to improve. They'll be fine in the long run. Hilton is a tough place to play and they were definitely flustered in the first half.

Also, Cyclone fans are massive D bags. Only place in America that rushes the floor when favored in Vegas.

mobablue

November 17th, 2013 at 7:26 PM ^

I thought LeVert and GR3 forced things on O a few times. LeVert's time in the front court should be limited/eliminated, if a switch forces him down low we need to look to help ASAP.

Great to see McGary back and doing McGary things like his steal + coast to coast. Walton played very well considering the environment.

THE_SHOCK_DOCTOR

November 17th, 2013 at 7:28 PM ^

I get that this team can make the three...but I felt like a lot of shots were not good shots. Rebounding was also frustrating to watch. 

I'm not terribly upset about this loss though. I think the kids hear the coaching better after a loss than a win so I think the issues will be sorted out in no time.

jaylee714

November 17th, 2013 at 7:29 PM ^

This season is completely over and we should start preparing for Damien Harris and George Campbell cause next years football season is over too. I would basically just give up on everything if I were you.

GoBlueNorthside

November 17th, 2013 at 7:43 PM ^

We didn't make our 3-point shots because they were contested - the only way you can open that up is to go inside. When we tried to go inside, they were fairly rough and were not getting called, but on othe other end of the court we couldn't have a clean block without getting called. Because of that, our defense opened up, probably more than it needed to. When you're playing a different game at each end of the court it makes things really hard. This is a major issue with NCAA basketball - either the team needs to learn how to adapt to it or we're going to have another dissapointing end to our tournament run.

Also, even mentioning the OC in a basketball thread should be a 1-week ban.

jmblue

November 17th, 2013 at 7:43 PM ^

Disappointing.  We seemed in control for long stretches but didn't finish either half well.  We settled for too many threes, a lot of them rushed.  It's going to take a little while for the offense to get the kind of consistent flow it had last year, with an experienced Burke.  We're also going to have to figure out how we're going to defend big 4s because the LeVert experiment there was not the best.  Oh well, it's a learning experience.

Magnum P.I.

November 17th, 2013 at 7:47 PM ^

Stauskus has added a dimension this year and looked like our best player at times, but it look like he still gets a little too caught up in the moment emotionally. McGary is a stud--hopefully he'll be more centrally incorportated in the offense as he gets healthier (including the late-game offense). Spike looked like he was in control out there, and I liked what I saw from Walton, too. I was curious not to see McGary and Horford out there together. I think it may have helped get McGary more active on offense in a sort of Webber-like role, and we could've used more protection around the rim on D.

Not sure what to think about GRIII--he seems like a fourth or fifth option on offense who should just be getting clean-up buckets and alley-oops. Doesn't seem like someone who should be taking jumpers (especially 3's). I think the offense should run through Stauskus, McGary, and Walton in games, and that's where it will end up. 

Levert didn't help make the case that he's a viable crunch time player against real competition.

In sum, fire Borges.

cbs650

November 17th, 2013 at 7:47 PM ^

anybody wonder why McGary was not on the post late in the game. We are going to have to establish post presence and force teams to double to get better shots. ISU won that game because they exploited the matchup up of LeVert guarding Niang on the post late in that game

Nitro

November 18th, 2013 at 1:42 AM ^

His first post move was great, he just didn't finish. But it was a real good look.  After that, he started settling for quick pull-ups and turnarounds.  Hope he looks to work his defender more like the first time he caught it in the post.

Late in the game it looked like we weren't being patient enough on offense to look into the post.

Levert didn't look like he's played very much post defense before this game.  Seemed pretty hopeless. 

Wolverine Devotee

November 17th, 2013 at 7:56 PM ^

This is a good loss. This will prepare the young guys for what they will be getting into on 12/3 and in the B1G season. 

Off to Puerto Rico 

Vamos Azul!

GRBluefan

November 17th, 2013 at 7:58 PM ^

Also, team looked good for its first road game. Not too upset at all about thus loss. We could use one more solid shooter...hopefully it will be Irvin eventually. I really like this team. Everyone contributes.

umumum

November 17th, 2013 at 8:10 PM ^

When Mcgary's back in the starting lineup, we'll be starting 4 sophomores and a freshman.  And we lost the POY.  It'll may take a little time--but it only matters what happens in March and April--as we discovered last season.

Generic MGoBlogger

November 17th, 2013 at 8:10 PM ^

Many concerns, but only only the third game of the season, so I'm not going to panic:

1. Interior defense: Really bad to say the least... I don't know why Irvin played that long when Morgan alongside McGary would have been a much better defensive option... Either way, we have to be a lot better there.

2.  Way too many 3s: While shooting the three ball is one of our strong suits, we cannot really rely on it to keep us in these types of games... Rarely fed the ball into McGary (his main points really just came on putbacks) and GRIII was very unintelligent with his shot selection. While I can deal with Stauskas taking 8-10, I don't like the rest taking 25 combined.

3. Working the ball around: While we looked very good at times here, the ball movement looked very shaky especially late in the game (probably because of youth).  I feel like this is a team made to have a solid combination of a powerful inside game with a sharp threat outside as well. Heck, I feel like we look the best in transition.  This team is probably the most complete that I have seen in years... We need to put it all together now.

Again, still terribly early in the season... This upcoming weekend should really give this team strong experience against more quality opponents...

Also, ISU is a bunch of classless neanderthals, students at least. 

DrMaize

November 17th, 2013 at 8:16 PM ^

Team felt a little out of synch during different parts of the night. Great to have McGary back but it was obvious the rest of the team hasn't played a ton with him this year.

Spontaneous Co…

November 18th, 2013 at 8:32 AM ^

But who cares???? Why not just look forward to a high profile game between two highly ranked teams. I'm a big fan of our team and I saw yesterday that we have everything we need to have another great year. We were right in it until the end and Beilein got some great info on what we'll need to do in crunch time without Trey. I think that is the thing we need to learn. What offense will we implement in close games down the stretch.

Blue Knight

November 17th, 2013 at 8:40 PM ^

I'll be rooting for ISU in the Big 12, but thought their fans were losers when then stormed the floor and that was before I learned what they were chanting about McGary. How will this board react if Borges isn't fired?!? I actually hope he's given one more year.