Michigan vs Iowa State game thread

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umchicago

November 17th, 2013 at 7:03 PM ^

much tougher to shoot on an away court; especially first road game.  different background, crowd, etc.  the game all boiled down to not shooting.  they got open looks for the most part but went about 8-30 from 3 and poor FTs.

i actually don't mind having a good kick in the pants early in the season to reduce the players' overconfidence and allow beilein to push harder.

definitely outmuscled on the boards though.  mcgary often the only guy near the hoop; especially on offense.

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gwkrlghl

November 17th, 2013 at 7:04 PM ^

Lost on the road to a good team. We're still immensely talented and young, McGary is still getting back to 100% and we have one of the best coaches in the business. We're fine

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JayMo4

November 17th, 2013 at 7:05 PM ^

Lousy game, but it'd be a bad idea to consider throwing in the towel on the season.  Tough environment against a solid and well coached team with a significant dose of home-cooked officiating.  Cold shooting on top of that.  McGary really playing for the first time in months.  Let it be a learning experience.  We were never going to win all of our road games.  This was a difficult one.

 

We got little from Robinson tonight, nothing from LeVert.  Time for a couple guys to step up.  We can play better, and we will.

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Gustavo Fring

November 17th, 2013 at 7:08 PM ^

I don't see significant improvement from last year.  Missed a bunch of open jumpers, made some bad turnovers, got bullied in the post. 

I at least liked that LeVert was aggressive.  Shots weren't falling (particularly in the second half), but he'll bounce back.  I'm worried about GRIII though. 

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Gustavo Fring

November 17th, 2013 at 7:06 PM ^

It's that the refs don't seem to fear or even respect him.  We didn't get any calls in the championship game (and went against the ultimate referee intimdator in Pitino) and didn't get calls today.

You think Izzo's team would have been shafted the same way?  Pitino?  Bob Knight?  I love that Beilein is not like those coaches and is a true class act.  But sometimes it can hurt us

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Undefined

November 17th, 2013 at 7:07 PM ^

Away game against a tough ISU team in an even tougher road environment.

This was a good test for a young team, but it will pay dividends for the B1G season, and we'll be better for tournament time.

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JHendo

November 17th, 2013 at 7:08 PM ^

Maybe now Beilein can stop forcing his offenses to flow through 3 pointers now? I love Beilein and love what he's done with the program. But through his good times and his bad times here, I've always been frustrated with his obsession with and dependence on the 3. Just give it up man. If we can hit it, great. If not, change the plan up and quit calling plays around shooting behind the arc.

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JHendo

November 17th, 2013 at 7:25 PM ^

Have ever you played organized basketball before? Basketball where plays are actually practiced and ran? Think of it as a zone run based football offense. The play is designed for the run to go a certain way. If the hole happens to be elsewhere, the RB has got to take that, but that doesn't take away from the fact the plan was to initially go elsewhere. You have primary objectives with plays run in basketball, if that isn't there or if you think something better is available, you improvise from there. After all this time, if you can't tell that Beilein's main objective in a lot of plays he designs is clearly to get a shot behind the arc, well then I don't know what to tell ya.

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snarling wolverine

November 17th, 2013 at 7:34 PM ^

Thanks for the "lesson," but you have no idea about Beilein's philosophy if you think his goal for this offense is to jack up 30 threes a game.  

(And yes, I did play basketball, for a long time.  But we didn't run the Beilein offense and I bet your teams never did either - if you even played.)  

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JHendo

November 17th, 2013 at 7:56 PM ^

Yeah, I did play and we ran the Northwestern offense (a variation of the Princeton, which I believe is what Beilein's offense is based off of). But yes, I most certainly hope Beilein doesn't want his team chucking up 30 3s a game either, but it sure seems to happen a lot over the many years he's been here. Also, we rountinely have ranked near the top in attempted 3s in the country since Beilein got here. He clearly emphasizes shooting the 3 very heavily, way more than most places. I'd just rather we didn't rely on it so much. That probably won't change and we'll probably continue to have success with the way it is, but man is it frustrating to watch sometimes.

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JHendo

November 17th, 2013 at 7:57 PM ^

Pick n'roll, driving, mid range jumpers, etc... There's plenty of other ways to score other than the extremes of chucking up a 3 every possession or dumping it down to a dominant big man.

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Michigan Arrogance

November 17th, 2013 at 7:09 PM ^

ISU is a quality team with a very good coach who just played the biggest home game in history. They will make the tourney and probably get  a 5-6 seed.

This team is young and missing Burke- no one is filling that hole right now, espeically the freshmen. Levert is being leaned on a ton offensively right now. I think he's still a pleasent surprise, but we have stauskas as the #1 offensive guy and levert as #2- that's not good.

Let's hope Irvin and Walton can develope and GRIII can start playing like an NBA 1st round pick. until then, we'll have trouble scoring, especially late in the game.

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KBLOW

November 17th, 2013 at 7:15 PM ^

Does anyone think we lose this game with a fully healthy McGary who had been practicing and playing the whole season?  No way.  It's only going to get better and better.

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MichiganMan20

November 17th, 2013 at 7:15 PM ^

Idk why but this is the least upset I've been over a Michigan loss in a while. This game just didn't feel that important other than providing the team experience playing in a hostile environment. This team was/is gonna be a really good team despite today's outcome.

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