From our friends over at Maize n' Brew. A few good ones in here.
Michigan vs Indiana: Player Ratings as Beers
Founders centennial being 6 stars???
but we are now friends after that comment
"No Stars: Heineken" What the hell?!
but Heineken tastes terrible to us micro-brew drinkers....the 5 star should be Bell's HopSlam or Founder's KBS, those are amongst the best beers in the world
Hopslam gets 6*
I cannot get enough of HopSlam and cannot wait until it is released again!
Hopslam and Dragon's Milk from New Holland are my two favorite beers
If you like thier Dragon's Milk, try and get a hold of Pilgrims Dole (Barleywine) or Beerhive (Trippel). Pilgrims Dole is what they use in competitions when they want to win awards, and Beerhive is just great, but it's being discontinued...
I think Oracle is better.
Can't speak to it myself, but I had a friend who had Heineken fresh in Amaterdam, and said it was significantly better than what we get in the states.
Same for me. It was delicious in Amsterdam
I never used to drink it, though, unless everything else on the beer list was worse.
But then again, I may have been under "other" influences at the time, so EVERYTHING was awesome.
Anything that makes Heineken that good should be illegal...
Similar story with Guinness in Ireland. Much better there and really in most of Europe than it is in the US. Don't know if it is freshness or just different brew sites. I would think Guinness and Heineken have other facilities that brew for the US.
Lol, "us micro-brew drinkers." Not sure who you're speaking for, but Heineken is a pretty good lager beer among the large scale brewers. Beats the hell out of a lot of the microbrew lagers that people try to make. Making a good lager is hard.
There are other styles of beer aside from IPAs.
There are ???
in America tastes like shit, plain and simple...it may be better in Amsterdam, but the smell alone of Heineken is repulsive...most large-scale breweries beers suck compared to micro-brew...the ingredients and craft put into making micro-brews are night and day better than the shit that comes out of St.Louis' assembly lines
The analogy I use is simple: as kids we like fast-food, but our taste evolves to liking better foods...the same is true with beer, I started out drinking busch light and thought it was the best beer ever....then I grew up/graduated college and developed a taste for better beers (not just IPA's, I have 8 Founder's KBS leftover from last years tapping party and I love black beers and most seasonal beers along with IPA's)
check out Brewery Vivant, they specialize in Frech style Farmhand beers and are really good and have gotten great reviews
Scrimshaw is a great Pilsner and great beer, in general.
is a nice Pilsner. It has a surprisingly hoppy taste to it; not hoppy like a good IPA, but enough for a nice full flavor.
I like micros but Heineken is a good beer. For me it's a sippin' beer, something to have on a high falutin night out. Nothing I like sipping better than frosted Heiny...
Blue Moon is my favorite beer...
by New Holland...thank me later
Ichabod isn't that good. Pumking from Southern Tier or Fat Jack from Sam Adams are much better options
I just tried a pumpkin ale from Kennebunkport Brewing Co that had a great spice/pumpkin flavor. Almost like liquid pie!
Don't know much else about KBC; the bottle says they're from Maine. I was able to get it on the west coast at a Trader Joes.
Why not only use beers from Michigan and Indiana? Odd article.
I agree entirely, no need to use any other beers here
Here's a rough ranking system I made using Michigan Beers:
5* Three Floyds' Dark Lord (or any of their other highly acclaimed beers)
4* Sun King Wee Mac (Brugge Tripel De Ripple or anything from New Albanian)
3* Anything from any of the local Indy brewers (Fountain Square, Figure 8, Triton, Daredevil, etc)
2* Anything from Upland
1* Anything from Scotties, Three Wisemen, or Granite City)
New good one to check out for you beer nerds out there. Evil Czech brewery in Culver, IN.
Zombie Dust is a definite 5* and I would also put Dreadnaught as a five* out of their year round team.
Zombie Dust is fully legit.
Unless it's a BA variant.
/been to numerous DLDs
I had a limited run (like 100 22 oz bottles) Dark Lord that was bourbon barrel with guajillo and some other chili peppers, and I didn't like it. It was like drinking molasses.
You need to bump Oberon up a bit.
I actually think it needs to be bumped down a bit. Oberon was a serious thing when I was living in Kzoo until Bells started filtering it, I loved Oberon until about 2008-09. After that, I prefer a Shock Top if I'm I'm the mood for a summer beer. Otherwise, (I know everyone likes to hate on it because it's 'too popular') I really have never ordered up an IPA that I didn't like. Hopslam is the truth.
I would move the Huma up to 4 star, respectively. Soft Parade is probably 3 star as well since it is a really well made high gravity ale, but it is definitely targeted at a different audience (it's nickname is the "ye olde leg spreader" if you catch my drift).
Last, your list of 5 stars is very imperial heavy (and I agree those are all great beers), but when it comes to everyday beers I would put shorts autumn ale in that 5 star category. It is just such a fantastic hoppy and malty ESB.
Thank goodness I'm not gluten intolerant or anything crazy like that. Otherwise I'd have to resort to drinking that cider. Blech.
some places have "low-gluten" beers. I accidentally ordered one when I was at Shorts this summer. It was actually surprisingly good.
Gluten-free beer ranges from passable to awful, but there are a couple I have every now and then as a change of pace. I have not been able to get my hands on one of the beers that have allegedly removed gluten (such as Estrella Damm Daura).
A good, dry cider is also a nice every now and then. Most of the ones I can get are too sweet, though.
Greens Tripel is good. The Omission series by Widmer are passable (they use Clarex like Damm Daura). Thus far the best I have found for my buddy who is gluten intolerant are from Harvester Brewing in OR (they have 2 IPAs), I would drink them without hesitation and I am not gluten intolerant. They ship, but have your Amex Black ready.
Unfortunately I can't get it here (Toronto). I'll have to see if I can get the Harvester beers when I'm in the states for Christmas.
I've heard mixed things about the Omission beers and Estrella Damm Daura from other people with celiac so I'm not that anxious to try them.
Clarex works very well at reducing gluten to FDA mandated "safe" levels for people with Gluten Intolerance (all Omission is tested at <20ppm, which is the standard from the Codex Alimentarius) but "safe" is hit or miss depending on the severity of your disease d/t the fact that it uses an enzymatic process to break down the protein chains in gluten. It doesn't omit (like sorghum based beers) or remove the gluten altogether. The Harvester Beers are Sorghum and Chesnut based which will always add a certain twang (drink a Bards to get a face full of the twang, worst beer EVAR) but they hide it enough for me to genuinely like them. If you are a very brittle celiac, I would tend to stick with the ANZAC definitions for gluten free and stay away from any enzymatically reduced beers.
Made by craft brewers, largely in Vermont and the Northwest.
Fat Tire getting 4 stars is beyond my comprehension. I can think of 20 ambers off the top of my head that beat the crap out of Fat Tire. It is by far the most overrated beer in craft beer nation. I understand it is made to appeal to the masses and convert macro fans, but still... 4 stars????
And to those that love Hopslam, cheers! I would include Bells Expedition Stout and Three Floyds Zombie Dust in that group also.
not a fan of Fat Tire. The Ranger IPA is OK but still kind of has Fat Tire tones - you drink anything from Bell's or Shorts and I don't feel there's any "cross-over" as each beer stands on their own.
5 star: Natty Ice. Boom.
4 stars: being kicked in the groin
3 stars: being kicked in the groin twice
2 stars: Katy Perry song on repeat
1 star: Ohio
What about being kicked in the groin twice while there is a Katy Perry song on repeat? Can we have a 1.5 star rating in this scale just in the event there is a split vote?
What if all this happens in Ohio? Mind blown.
I find myself not minding Katy Perry that much. I'd probably attribute that to the rest of the garbage music being made today. She's not bad by default.
I'm just saying if I was being torchered and I was given a choice of what song to play on repeat, I'd pick Katy Perry over Justin Beiber, Miley Cyrus, or 2 Chains. You could definitely do worse than her.
comes readily to mind as a frontrunner for doing worse.
"Beer Ice". Yes, a beer called Beer with the addition of Ice to the end.
Beer 30! Oh the flashbacks to freshman year.
The compare-player-to-unrelated-object post! So innovative!
I like the cliche duel here.
I think the "bitch about the content of the OP" is now the leader in the clubhouse.
America has become so douchey about its beers. I said it.
that being said, Indiana's defense = Ginny Light
I assume you mean Genny? You could also say Hamm's.
correct...my bad....never had Hamm's thankfully.
Be a beer enthusiast. Not a beer snob
Are overly hoppy to me. Stronger hops does not, in and of itself, equal better beer, and IMO American craft beers often undervalue the importance of malt as well. I like balance, so my tastes range towards Belgian-style ales. For my money Alagash Curieux (Woodson) and Telegraph Trappiste (Denard) are the best American craft beers I've come across.
Thank you. It's a developmental thing. Kids start out drinking shitty light beer. Then around 20 to 25 they taste a few IPAs, feel cool about discovering nitch breweries, and start to equate quality with hops and darkness. Then when you get older, you graduate to realizing that there is a range of quality, complexity, and enjoyment in all varieties of beer--lager, pilsner, IPA, stout, porter, brown ales, etc.
It's the same with wine. Every dude wine drinker gets hooked on big, full-bodied cabernets and shirazes at first. Starts to stick his chest out about whites and pinots. Then finally realizes that there are great sauvignon blancs, rieslings, and chardonnays, and that each varietal has lots to offer and suits a different occasion.
It's the same with beer. Everyone on this board is still is the sticking out of the chest phase of development.
The best beer I've every had was just a bucket of hops. It was a billion times better than that light Hopslam or RuinTen shit.
There's a bar in East Lansing that puts hops flowers on a burger.
any guy that sticks out his chest because he likes a certain kind of wine...well....
There's nothing wrong with wine but I'd really love to meet the dude that thinks he's a badass because of it.
Mature ten more years and/or come to California
And of course it applies to me as well. I remember the first time I had a Cotes de Provence and thought "wait...this pink crap I've been avoiding because it's pink is actually good?!"
With beer, there's just such a range of interesting stuf that can get overpowered by hops. Dunkel lagers have been the big discovery of my 30s--dark, nutty, complex, but centered on malt rather than hops. Still haven't found an American craft brewer that does it well, but I assume it's either out there or will be soon. Some of the Bavarian ones are stunning:
And still do largely, but as I've aged my taste buds have changed and I now really like hoppy beer for the most part. That said, just being hoppy doesn't make it better, and there are other kids of beers besides IPAs that people often don't value simply because "it's not what good beer should taste like". I, for one, am still a big fan of ambers.
Many IPAs are good, and of course tastes range.
But a lot of people, especially in their 20s, as Magnum PI pointed out, seem to think it's only real beer if the hops are on steroids. There's a lot more that goes into beer than just hops, and there are a lot of really good beers that aren't fixated on the hops.
I like Ambers too. Actually I like a whole bunch of stuff. I don't like most macrobrewed lagers, though occasionally they can hit the spot on a hot day, I don't particularly like English real ales at room temperature and I'm not crazy about some of the more extreme 'roid-hops beers. But I'm open to pretty much anything else.
Malt can go screw.
Heineken is great beer, Sam Adams (overall, not all flavors they have) is the best beer.
The best of the best:
Your opinion is not correct.
Neither is your opinion about my opinion.
My opinion says his opinion is correct. So, umm, yeah. Sorry.
Nope. His was absolutely objective. Sam Adams is good, but not the best. Sam Adams Octoberfest is good, but not the best of the best. At some point subjectivity becomes fact, and that point has been reached here.
I won't knock Sam Adams though. The Boston Lager is a good beer, as is Latitude 48. But, in a sea of fish, it is still only a guppy.
And a lot of places have it, which is nice.
Sorry, but no beer that is made to be appeal to the masses and is commercially available around the country will ever be best. Impossible.
Sam Adams is near the top of national macro brewed beers, but is not even in the same universe as the top craft brews.
...and no mention of Three Floyds?
3 Floyds is my favorite brewery in Indiana. We've covered it at length on the site in the past.
I'll be at the brewpub tonight if anyone's in the area and can figure out which guy I am I'll buy them a beer. Broo Doo is on tap, looking forward to my first glass of the year.
Craft beers are like music, politics, religion, etc. You like what you like and you can find others that agree with you. But those that disagree, can be very hard to understand.
No, craft beers are like music, politics, religion, etc. I'm obviously right, and everyone who disagrees with me is stupid.
Which will eventually turn into an 'cleansing' of all those who think Bells is better by those who think Founders is better. The inevitable cycle of human nature. Especially drunk human nature.
I used to be Miller Lite Guy and other cheap beers, but no longer. I will still drink Coors Light every now, but I love Sam Adams now.
Bro, how do you not have a picture of your face!?!?!?
People who think Fat Tire is good really need to get out more
Fat tire is ok.
Fat Tire's Pumpkick...is very good. IMO.
Is that because fewer people have heard of it?
All of Hipster Dantonio's recruits love beers you've never heard of.
If folks don't like Heineken, they're welcome to abstain from it, but I believe I'll go pour (a delicious) one from my keg right now.
If you haven't tried it, go out and try some Oskar Blues beer. Old Chub and Deviant Dales are both pretty damn decent.
Stouts over everything, especially now that its getting cold out there. I like other styles too; dunkelweizens, saisons, dubbels, and an occasional IPA are high on my list, but nothing beats a good stout.
That being said, I am also a huge fan of $3 pitchers of Killians at Charley's.
Charley's $3 killian's pitchers are a the best deal for any bars in Ann Arbor. I'm also a huge fan of the $2 pints after 10 on the weekends at Mash.
It's been a couple years, but I discovered both in spring 2009 (or right before graduation... dammit)
BD's Mongolian BBQ had $1 Pints on Mondays. Found this out when eating there before heading to Trivia at Connors. Was upset that I didn't know this earlier.
Scorekeepers had $0.75 Bud Light Bottles on Friday nights. It was before or after 9pm, but it was cheaper than bud light at meijer.
I'm a huge fan of stouts. Founder's Breakfast Stout, Rogue Imperial Stout, Samuel Smith Oatmeal Stout and Terrapin Moo Hoo Chocolate Milk Stout are a few I enjoy. Any suggestions?
Solid choices there. Founder's Oatmeal Stout, Left Hand Milk Stout, New Holland Poet, and Right Brain CEO Stout are high on my list. CEO stout is especially good if you like that coffee flavor and lots of it. When all else fails, a Guinness also does the job just fine. Love the nitro cans for drinking at home.
Personally I'm not a huge fan of the bourbon aged stouts becuase, well, I don't like bourbon at all. So despite being highly acclaimed I'm not a Dragons Milk fan and sadly I don't think I'd like Founders KBS.
This is great shit. I'm totally stealing some of these ideas.
We definitely get into some more specific beers throughout the site - but I tried to broaden this one and make it more widely accessible to non MI-indiana folks.
I mostly just wanted to shit on Zach for the Heineken comment. I don't particularly care for it, but it's polarizing. Lots of people hate it, some people like it.
Hoppy beer is also polarizing, but the Centennial IPA and HopSlam are awesome in the right context. But there are a lot of people out there who don't really like hoppy beer (I only like them once in a while). Most YFDs deal in more craft/local beer. I won't linkwhore here, but I agree with a lot of the sentiment I've seen here.
Bell's Black Note... Thread over!
I distinctly remember calling "thread over" earlier with Busch Light. You cannot triple stamp a double stamp.
Hoek thought you would be too drunk on Busch LIght by now to notice.
I prefer Expedition Stout.
but Great Lakes Brewery Lake Erie Monster is one of my favorite beers. IMO, the best beers do come from small scale breweries, but I feel like for every good micro brew I try, there are 5+ others out there that are crap. I get tired of microbreweries trying to dress up average beers with fancy labels and stupid names and charge $12 for a 6 pack of uninspiring beer.