Final Score: 59-9
QB: I thought Gardner played better as the game went along. My thing with Devin is that we need to use the talent around him more. We call too many plays that feature him and not enough stuf that gets him safe plays or in a rythym. We need more screens, more quick passes, more safe stuff. Treat him like a freshman QB early in the game and let him get into the flow, then open things up a little. Let him see what the defense is doing before we put the entire offense on him.
RB: I think we're fine...I have no idea why people "shit on" Fitz so much, he played well. The other guys are all improved or improving as true freshman.
WR: It'll take 3-4 games to get an opinion on these guys, but Gallon, Dileo and Reynolds made some very good plays.
TE: The potential here is limitless, all 3 guys can play B1G football. Praying that Funchess is okay.
OL: Better than most predicted. I think they're better going straight forward than with the misdirection stuff. Lewan is like having 5.5 linemen on the field.
DL: I'm not ready to say "they've earned the right to rush 4"...it's just CMU. But if they can do what they did today, every Saturday. I'll scream it from the mountain tops.
LB: Solid, need better tackling.
CB: Solid, need to play a touch tighter. Stribling is the real deal.
S: n/a with the starters out. Furman is not the answer.
K/P: We've got 2 (maybe 3) of the best.
I agree about the offensive line. I was honestly a little worried they might not be any better than last year (at least the interior) but I think they proved they are a big step up and are starting the year about where I had hoped they would be by week 10.
N/a for the safeties? I thought Jarrod Wilson played a pretty good game. Furmam is not the answer, but thankfully we get T Gordon back next week.
He had some significant positive plays and no egregious busts.
Except for the play the announcers wrongly blamed on Furman where everyone was playing zone except Wilson. That was Wilson's side of the field and he vacated it to chase #84 instead of staying in his zone.
Also thought Wilson played well. It was CMU but that was the team in front of them. DBs get exposed for any mistake whereas if a D-lineman screws up there are 2 layers of defense behind him and LBers - 1 layer. When these DBs make errors its so obvious and usually a chunk play so they seem to get sniffed towards in a much more harsh manner. On the other hand, Clark did not do much against an OL he should have dominated.
Our corners can support against the run. The starters have some pop to em.
Long game and I enjoyed every second of
Will wear the #2 before he leaves
He looked good with 3 minutes left in the game.
I see your point, but he played and looked solid for pretty much the entire game, not just in the 4th.
= Grumble, grumble, grumble. A true Michigan Man.
getting the youngins playing time will pay off down the line. Didn't have any major injuries so we should come out full tilt next week. GO BLUE
left with, looked like either a groin or cramp. Hoping for cramp, since groin could possibly keep him out against ND. Reynolds also left the game at WR.
...says someone in the "in-game" thread. And don't forget about Drake Johnson.
reported that both were fine. Funchess took a hit "downstairs" and he said both could have returned.
The trainer was massaging him on the sideline so I hope it was a cramp. That would have been awkward were it his groin!
The depth showed up and played well. It's CMU and all, but given how other B1G teams have looked it was an impressive showing.
the "spread" offense did not put up points like that very often. Defense and MANBALL or die.
inferior teams like CMU, no idea what your talking about. Let's not turn this into a spread versus prostyle debate, espcially considering that both were utilized today.
It is nice to have a good defense though.
There were a LOT of spread and pistol concepts used today. Some manball as well, but a lot less power or iso than Hoke would like everyone to believe.
Everyone needs to stop fighting the RichRod wars. It just doesn't matter at this point. Both he and Michigan have moved on.
Section 1 will not be far behind. He must search for the name every 5 minutes
But tell the douchenozzles who bring him up, who are ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS the haterz.
just as effectively and efficiently with the offense they are using now.
You're excused?? Uhh thanks Lisa...
Aside from Devin's 2 dumb picks, Michigan pitched a shutout. Our O-line was better than I expected.
Extra props to D Thomas, Wilson, and Stribling.
The second pick may have been on Gallon. That looked like a miscommunication between him and Gardner, because you don't see Gallon struggle to get separation that often (or that badly).
Smith ran harder than Green
Defense looked fast
Stribling looked tough
Countess didn't seem to fair well.
Tell that Smith ran harder than Green????? That's plain foolish. Countess came up and saved a touchdown on a large 1,500 yard rusher. Blake also says "sure about that Dwight?"
Smith showed more fight in him. Green had the longer run, but the offensive line opened a huge hole.
It's the only reason you can possibly come to this conclusion.
Smith had 7 carries for 12 yards.
Green had 11 carries for 58 yards, with one long run. 10 carries for 28 yards if you want to take out the long run for some weird reason.
You can't make any serious comparisons between the two. There was nothing to show that either back ran harder than the other.
They both looked good on some runs. They both looked bad on some runs. They both went down easily on some runs. All of the backs went down easily on some runs. Fitz tripped over a dead body in the backfield on one play.
I don't understand why a large portion of this board feels a need to have these two compete with each other. Can't we just be happy that they both look promising? I feel there are some posters openly rooting for Green to fail and Smth to shine. THE TEAM THE TEAM THE TEAM!!!!! LETS CUT THIS STUPID SHIT!
I don't get it either. It's like people are openly rooting for one of them to fail, for the sole purpose of being able to say that they called it..
Yes and yes. Why contrast and pit two future Heisman winners and instead not root for two future Heisman winners? What I like about Smith is he always seems to churn forward as he was hit but he was hit earlier in his runs than Green - maybe that is on him or the lines on those runs but both looked like men out there. Those are 19 year olds. Very happy... and it showed that much discussed depth chart was off by "1 spot" as both came in ahead of #3 Rawls. (who also looked solid but lets see him against Big 10 competition)
Because Smith didn't fall down as easily.
I like the way Smith runs. Better than Green in my opinion at this point in time. I liked Mike Cox too so what do I know.
I was generally pleased with Morris. I haven't bought into the hype about him but he changed my opinion in a positive way today. I hope he doesn't have to play in an important game.
I sit in Section 12, row A (south end zone) and had a good view of Shane coming out onto the field for his first game action. I don't know if be could have been smiling any bigger. The smile did not go away or a while. It is great to see a kid realize his dream. That is all. GO BLUE!
NIU and Iowa tied at 27
Clean up the turnovers and penalties, and it looks like we will be fine. Time to bring on the CHICKENS!
I had some trouble keeping track of Dymonte's game, what was the opinion on him?
We went with Furman and Wilson for most of the game. He made a tackle at the end, kind of, didn't take an inside out technique and kind of tackled the WR out of bounds when he could have hit him straight up like Gedeon did a few plays early.
Dymonte did have the blocked punt.
15 minutes ago.
Got hit in the nether regions.
Lot of young talent. Glen Mason sucks balls. 6 freshman playing special teams, can't wait to see all the bitching about burning redshirts. Morris looked solid. Looking forward to the first clown who suggests he redshirt NEXT year!! O Line was solid, backs played well. Lot of things coaches can use as teaching moments.
Bellomy's is back as a backup and if Gardner and Bellomy's aren't hurt, why not?
Also, Wilton is pretty damn good.
Morris looked like he is damn near ready for big 10 play. RS (especially next year) would be a huge mistake. And if Wilton looks so good, why in the hell would you want Shane to RS?
Sure, if we are desperate. Maybe against Indiana and/or Purdue. Anything after that could get ugly.
I feel confident saying that Morris is significantly better than Bellomy and our clear #2.
I'm not a redshirt hoarder any longer. I think it helps recruiting to show that the coaches are willing to play the best players regardless of whether the team burns a redshirt or not. The only kids who should redshirt are the players who are not physically or mentally ready to play. The best players should be on the depth chart.
Totally agree. "Come to Michigan, you will play if you earn it."
Michigan's got it going on. If you are an elite recruit and you are not wedded to your local school, you're going to want to check out Michigan.
Freshmen should only play if they're needed. Mark my words, there will be a lot of complaining in 2017 that we could have used some of the guys who burned their redshirts in 2013 just to play on special teams and in garbage time. 5th year seniors are far more valuable than true freshmen.
On who you are recruiting, and what position the freshmen play. Burning OL redshirts is a no-no, but at LB where we have, and look to continue having, an annual embarrassment of riches? Less clearcut. The advantage of giving PT to freshmen is that they, on average, advance more quickly than if redshirted.
Obviously it's a matter of degrees, and to be honest, I do agree with you in some cases, but I don't think you can make blanket statements either way.
If we keep recruiting like gangbusters with top talent then burning redshirts won't really matter that much.
Seven burned redshirts by my reckoning. Butt, Smith, Green, Morris, Stribling, Thomas, Gedeon, Lewis. There may be more, updated the depth chart by class wiki.
I think the announcers said that 10 true freshman saw the field. Not sure on the accuracy of that.
Pretty sure I saw Csont'e York out there. Not sure who the tenth might have been.
D. Hill is a large dude.
why are the numbers and B1G on the jersey are darker than the adidas symbol and the helmets and pants?
Been like that for a while. If they can sculpt a giant noodle, they should be able to match colors.
On Funchess yet, it looked like he cramped up his calves.
think nut injuries are humorous for some reason. Farts, now those are harmless and humorous.
...when you're still on the field during junk time.
Radio says he is good. Him and the trainer stretching him out were both smiling/laughing at one point FWIW.
Great to take the fam to the game and enjoy a nice win at the Big House.
Best / scariest moment - during warmups when Michigan was punting from North End Zone and Norfleet ran into a CMU coach at the opposition's 40 yard line. Norfleet and the CMU coach both got laid out (coach had three to assist him up). But Norfleet came up a little gimpy. Coaches and Hoke all came over and talked to him and he was fine by game time. But Hoke immediately turned the drill around so we were punting into the North end zone.
Loved the excitement and the energy and the students and the packed House. One thing that was a challenge for me was how LOUD the piped in music was during warm-ups. My ears are literally still ringing. I've been to a crap-ton of concerts and this was about the same. Oh well, if that's the worst thing of the day, then it was a pretty kick-ass day!! Go Blue!
I thought both Freshman RB's ran tough, not sure why some of you still seem to want to pit them against each other.
Anyways, interior OL was better than expected, may not be getting the push now we want however weren't getting pushed back like a year ago so that is nice to see.
Nice sack by Beyer in first series forcing fumble before blocked punt. Again in 3rd Quarter. Cam Gordon 2 sacks, one in each half, as well. Mario with another from WDE. Good to see solid pressure throughout the game.
Made plays today.
Beyer had 2 sacks. B10 network didn't even replay the first one which was in the first defensive series of the game where ball was knocked loose.
why are the numbers and B1G on the jersey darker than the adidas symbol and the helmets and pants?
because adidas is a disaster.
Who cares? Geez, you guys bitch too much about colors.
likes it when some uber-fan gets their panties in a bunch over the most infinitesimal uniform irregularity.
The larger point is: the atheletic department is ultraprotective of their logo/branding but cant make their supplier get it right. Yeah its nitpickey.
Which point is larger ... I'm confused.
It looks half-assed when it is just as easy to get it right. If we can pay attention to details like painting winged helmets on the fire hydrants, we can match colors better than a kindergartener.
At leat we are not Notre Dame. Their new Christmas tree ball helmets don't match the moldy gold of their pants at all. They used to match well and were one of the classic unis in CFB. Now they look like a middle school team.
Offense was rusty. However, the OL played MUCH better overall than at any point last year.
Fitz is back.
Gardner needs to make better decisions and not force things. He did make better decisions and passes than Denard though.
The secondary seems a little iffy. Hopefully Gordon back at safety will help.
DL got good pushes up front, and our blitzes always got to the backfield.
Overall, defense didn't let up all game, and the offense started clicking after a rough/rusty start.
Bring on the Domers.
Rewatching now. And as of 8 min left in the second- Gardner does not look good
Beyer had a sack today and also a forced fumble. Best game I've seen him play.
Best game by Cam Gordon as well.
Wait til Ryan gets back. My oh my.
This is clearly Hoke's best team to open season. Score another for recruiting/player develpment. What is encouraging to me is that there is plently of room for improvement.
Devin scrambling is good. Cut down picks and he is all Big 10.
Shane throws a nice ball, especially rolling out. Looked confident, but it was CMU.
Cam Gordon played really well. Good to see. He has been through a lot.
Stribling looks legit. I was always confident in his recruitment. Screw the stars. Hail Mattison!
Gedeon seems to be a pure football player. Number 42 seemed to be in on lots of special teams plays, and he was always around the ball when he got in on defense.
Kalis was very solid.
Norfleet HAS to eventually break one, right?? Guarantee he got his ass chewed for trying to field that rolling punt early on. Guarantee it won't happen again.
Too many penalties and turnovers.
(Devin) started a little shaky. Got through that and was fine. Defense looked really good. Next week will be the test. I'm excited about these guys!
I liked beating CMU 59-9, but I will feel even better after beating ND next week.
I liked what I saw in Morris. He is far more than a "serviceable backup" like ESPN wrote.
Shane throws a beautiful ball. Quick and high release. He seems to have good footwork, he gets set and then guns it downfield.
We had a t-storm and lost cable, and the stream I had to watch was pretty low-quality and I couldn't always get the numbers. Were any redshirts-in-doubt preserved? I'm not sure if McCray saw any action, for example.
To be honest I don't think fans should worry about redshirts. I would like to believe the coaches know what they are doing.
I'm not asking because I want to criticize; I'm asking because I want to be informed. Maybe I'll understand a substitution pattern better, later, if I know who might or might not be redshirted.
I'm kind of hoping this fanbase has at least healed to the point where it's possible to ask a question without it seeming to hide a veiled criticism.
Pretty m7ch just the freshman OL ane guys like Poggi didn't play.
True freshmen seeing action were:
as to what happen today. CMU is not very good and were 311/2 point underdogs. My take is Michigan is going to have to play a lot better if they are to beat Notre Dame.
I thought CMU was decent. Give us credit here dont knock CMU. theyd have beaten MSU this wk I think
Who else saw Nate Burleson at the game?
.....we burned his redshirt too.....
Cam Gordon played one hell of a game.
Cam looked good and so did Wilson. Furman looked a little dicey, but it's hard to see what the safeties are doing on many plays.
I liked seeing the level of young talent that Hoke and staff are bringing in.
There were a lot of mistakes, and hopefully they'll be cleaned up before next week.
Godin seemed to play alot.
Green moves great for his size, though always goes down it seems.
Smith looked decent but its apparent Green is better
Drake Johnson looks better than both
I liked Hayes wheels
Rawls I rhought looked great
Glasgow sure looks the part and played well. Kalis blew an assignment the only time I was watching him
Miller does not look big enough
Gallon may deserve the 1 jersey
Thomas needs to start at safety
Our outside LBs got beat alot to the edge
Gardner and morris looked nervous
Drake Johnson had two carries for a total of 9 yds, one for 7 and the other for 2, before he was hurt. This was enough evidence to say he looked better than Green and Smith to you? Alrighty then.
Green is the best RB on the team. I think he will get plenty of carries next week. I would also like to see them roll Gardner out more and get him out of the pocket. He didn't look that comfortable in there.
I don't know how you reached that conclusion. He was the beneficiary of some of the best blocking the OL managed on the day, misread a few blocks and bounced outside when he should't have, and went down on first contact almost every time.
I think he's going to be a great player when he learns to convert his fantastic size and speed into collegiate-level power running and learns to read and react a little better (no surprise, he's a true freshman after all), but he's not there yet.
Fitz showed me that he's the unquestionable #1 today, and I'm happy about that. Green showed me that he has a ton of potential, and I'm happy about that too. Rawls (!) and Smith both showed that they're no slouches either, so I'd say the RB situation for the next few years is looking pretty good, but anointing Green now is premature.
I might be early on my judgement. A lot will come out of next week.
Not sure how you could watch that game and think that Green is better than Fitz RIGHT NOW. He might be some day, but there is no way he is better right now.
Green is a bowling ball, and showed a lot of potential just due to his combo of size and speed, but didn't show much in terms of moves, footwork or balance. He looked relatively easy to trip up. You've gotta have footwork and balance at this level or people are going to learn to just trip you up.
My random thoughts:
Considering how much of the Top 25 (not just the B1G) has struggled week 1. I think we are ahead of the curve.
Looks like Richardson didn't see the field at all according to the player participation list. Anyone know what is going on with him? Yes - I know he doesnt weigh enough and he wasnt mentioned in the cb depth by the coaches the other day. But im a bit surprised he didnt show up even on special teams.
thoroughly imressed with the speed of the d. Love that the freshman are contributing.
Borges sucks. will cost us at least one game..
We scored 52 points on offense and didn't punt until the third string was in.
Holy shit dude we scored 59 points.
One question - did Ross play a lot? I almost never heard his name called and I thought he'd be a tsunami out there today.
We don't need any one player to have a big day for the defense as a whole to do well. It looks like things will be spread around this year.
Was the one bad spot to me on the defense. Honestly, he looked flat out bad
He's no Ray Vinopal!
Central lost QB and RB for possibly the entire season. That's no bueno.
At Pioneer today I met Charles Woodsens dad and Ty Rawls mother. I was was an honor to meet both and had a good talke with Mrs. Rawls. She said most of all her son was looking forward to the degree, Very impressive.
I'm pretty sure I saw him limping a bit across the field, by the bench...I was in section 1.
Anything said on TV?
He tweeted it was just a cramp. He's ok.
Dymonte sure set the tone with the blocked punt. My early and perhaps biggest takeaway. Typical first game. 3 picks, lots of early penalties, more Devin running than I care to see. But hard to bitch when the final is 59-9. Happy to see redshirts being burned. Game experience now makes them stronger later. And sends a good message to recruits, I would think.
But most of Devin's runs he didnt even get touched, so those are ok.
True. It's all about me and my anxiety level though, being the narcissist my wife often tells me I am. 7 more days, 7 more days, new countdown has begun.
Also, scrambles are generally lower-risk for injury than designed QB runs, because he's only going to scramble if there's open space.
It was fun to line up in the I-formation and not expect DOOM, for once.
I can't wait for Brian's UFR of the o-line. It's so hard to tell during the live game how each individual is doing. I'm very curious to see how the 2 guards and the center played
wait that came out all wrong...So glad this was the opener and not ND. Bring on the Irish before we talk Miller. That is where the beef is.
why put Derrick Green in on punt receive coverage? especially up 50. I know he's a freshmen and who would I put out there but I think he is a crucial backup. granted I'm assuming Drake is hurt but I am watching for the first time now.
James Ross and Norfleet to the punt coverage team in the 4th quarter. after countess last year I'm protective of these guys.
Not sure why Borges broke out a reverse with Norfleet in this game. Why not save it for ND?
Jet pack guy was awesome
My big takeaway is that I thought all the RBs looked serviceable, even Rawls. Toussaint looked like 2011 Toussaint, not PDFT. I'm not the only one, I'm also seeing a lot of comments to the effect of the best RB or second best RB today was (pick random RB). All of our backs didn't suddenly turn into LeVeon Bell, so I take this as a sign of a much improved OLine. CMU caveats, but this and the speed to the ball and depth at multiple positions are things that get me very excited about our prospects this year. ND will be a test, but I think we win and are undefeated when Nebraska come to town.