Chesson also lookes really good. Would like him to get targeted a few more times a game.
Michigan vs. Akron SNOWFLAKES Thread
Absolutely agree. Problem with youth is inconsistency.
that is all. They were a 21-point swing, at least. Now, that still makes it closer than it should have been, but we take care of the ball, and the Big House starts to empty early in the fourth quarter.
Problem is, the normal way to teach ball security is to take it away from the offender(s). Not an option here - we are riding Devin this year for better or for pick six, two-tirnovers-in-the-red -zone, etc.
Watching this again and wow just about everyone played poorly and this wasn’t RPS people didn’t make blocks, tackles etc. No excuse for this type of performance including coaches. I know we are young but this better be corrected quickly. Worst outing I have seen with Hoke has coach. Only silver lining might be that DG’s draft grade went down and maybe we will have him for another year.
Only thing more disappointing was that 'The Bears" fans didn't mention Ditka flying the plane during that State Farm commercial.
Was there something wrong with Gardner today? He looked like 'bad' denard out there. He had to have had an injury or illness. I can't see him ever getting mentally shook so bad that he plays like this. They even took the game out of his hands at the end by running a lot more. That being said, where the hell was our line play? We 'should' be bigger, faster, more talented than them. We should have gotten pressure on every play with a four man rush. We should have been able to run the ball with authority every single play if we chose to. Line play and Gardner were simply pathetic today.
I thought Jarrod Wilson shouldve gone upfield on the INT rather than the touchback. Only saw 1 Zip in front of him and that player was being blocked. Would love to know what comes of this UFR.
I understand trying to avoid the risk of being stopped inside your own ten. There was only one or two Akron guys out there, and he had three guys in front of him who could of easily led the way as blockers.
Here's something to make us feel better:
Army lost last week to Ball St. 40-14. They lost to Stanford today 34-20.
Teams have off games. At least we found a way to not lose? I guess?
In the second century of the Christian era, the Empire of Rome comprehended the fairest part of the earth, and the most civilized portion of mankind...
...its genius was humbled in the dust ; and armies of unknown Barbarians, issuing from the frozen regions of the North, had established their victorious reign over the fairest province of Europe and Africa.
...the vicissitudes of fortune, which spares neither man nor the proudest of his works, buries empires and cities in a common grave.
- Edward Gibbon
A win is a win is a win is a win, but that felt like death. Dust is coming for us all!
They need to practice with tunnel vision this week and be 100% focused on UConn.
Going to be interesting to see how ND does tonight. I mean, Purdue, yes. But then again, Akron.
As other people have echoed, this 'win' doesn't negate the win last week. Did this team go from 'awesome' to 'crap' in one week? Of course not. Was it a pathetic display of football today? Absolutely. Is the continued problems on the interior OL (Schofield to an extent today as well) and DL worrying? Yes.
Is pee flavored.
I'm going to go sit on my deck and smoke cigars and drink bourbon until the memory of this game is completely purged from my brain.
Today you all are like boooo worst team ever. We won, played like crap but won. No one is getting fired nor should they be. Lines were great last week, stopping two NFL first rounders. They have a bad day and now they suck. They are growing, they will be better because of this win-lose. I am sure the whole team will be a little more attentive now. I hope all my clunkers turn out as wins and that others hold themselves to the same standard they do the football team.
It was the Gardner/Gallon show. Ress played well. Gardner and Gallon played better.
UM OL and DL were throughly outplayed. Today Gardner had a bad game and the OL and DL had a draw vs Akron.
Akrons RBs ran on us better then Fitz did on them actually. And that wasnt on fitz either
While the OL lets us down this is the exact same OL that gave a very good ND DL a handful last game, point blank I think the entire team was still riding that emotional high from last week and started to believe their own hype.
The team as a whole looked uninterested and unmotivated simply due to the fact that they probably thought this was a cake walk and half sleep their way through. Akron by contrast has nothing to loose and momentum from Michigan mistakes that permeated late into the second half.
I don't think OL is that bad, their young and I think the got caught napping. Luckily, Akron is so bad they got away with that. This game to me was a necessary wake up that this team needed so as to not let a big game win lead to a letdown.
But for a couple of plays, he either made good quick decisions as to where to throw the ball or scrambled to give himself time.
That could be either a good thing or a bad thing. It would be better to have a dominant O-Line, but Gardner is capable of overcoming the disadvantage we'll have on the O-Line in big games.
Admittedly I forgot a good chunk of the plays, but I could swear the OL got holes open for Fitz and was decent in giving DG time ?
No, not really. DG was hit on every throw of his first drive.
I don't think the dline is that bad, akron and ND are quick pass offenses, they always hurt us. Turnovers kept it from being an easy win. After UConn, as long as we don't lose to turnovers, you will think our dline is good assuming they still run the same style offense at uconn as they did last time we played. This quick pass offense kills us, as soon as we bumped the safeties up the went deep on Taylor for a cross your fingers he catches it pass.
If they are quick pass offenses than why is the coverage so soft on receivers? Hard to get real burned on quick passes if you press and jam and have even a little safety play. I just think the lines are bad. They aren't the only units needing a lot of improvement. But lets start there
I am on day three of being evacuated from my house in Colorado and was out gathering some things to hopefully return home this evening. As a result I did not watch this crapfest. So that is a plus.
That was awful, but we didn't lose. The team got away with taking the week off and playing vanilla offense and defense.
Positives: Chesson yards-after-catch looked really good. More touches for him as teams double and triple Gallen, please.
Lots of snaps for Jourdan Lewis. Not sure why we've played a different 3rd CB each week (Stribling-Hollowell-Lewis). Thought Lewis looked pretty good out there.
Willie Henry played and appeared to look pretty good on first viewing. This season, I was expecting him to be the first DT off the bench and do well.
Prediction: U-Conn will be very sorry we played so poorly today.
my bright spot of the game. that and Fitz. Looks real sharp, I don't expect to see much Green this year.
This is all part of Hokes plan. He was in full control. He was just teaching these young men a lesson. It's just part of the Hoke/Mattison strategery. I can confirm this. My uncle's bosses daughter's landscaper used to groom Hokes neighbors dog back...... So it's not just heresay.
but I blame Dave Brandon. He wants to increase future prices against bottom-feeder MAC teams.
Line play is the heart of all problems. skill players have been suprisingly good IMO this year. or better than expected at least
I'd have been infuriated if they'd called flagged Michigan on anything like the PI on the pass to Butt in the endzone that was called on Akron, particularly when the officials swallowed the flag on the far, far more egregious PI on Jourdan Lewis earlier. It was a great defensive play by the Akron defender.
Agreed. He definitely grabbed Butt like Robin Thicke.
We really need to get Bryant and maybe some other guys a chance out there on the Oline. They have been getting beat every game outside of some garbage time against CMU. Even Lewan and Schofield looked pretty bad today.
D-line just doesn't have anyone that can win any 1 on 1s which is scary. Play after play after play I was waiting for just one guy to make a play, JUST ONE but they can't get by anyone. Heck they were more likely to run into each other and take each other out than get pressure on the QB or stuff the RB.
This is the #1 concern on the team. The lack of anyone that can beat an blocker one on one and get a sack or tackle for loss. It's not for lack of coaching or a bad scheme. It's the guys they have. They just aren't quick or explosive. Black and Beyer can on occasion make a good play. But it's few and far between.
Everyone is forgetting the awful punting. Aside from one boomer for 54 yards there were 2 shanks and that kills you. The first Akron FG just becomes a 3 and out if the punt was not 24 yards or whatever. The punt game is going to kill us in 1-2 game in November as the change of field is horrid. You need to move the other team back 45 yards not 25 yards on change of possessions. Yes I agree on all the other issues but no one is speaking of this horrible punting performance ALL YEAR.
I said it during the game. Damn that Hagerup, and poor Matt Wile! He's not a punter, poor kid.
I had to remind people in the stadium to direct there anger at the guy who got suspended for the year, not the guy trying to fill in hen punting isn't his collegiate specialty.
Wile out punted Hagerup last year based on the averages..
is a damn good punter with a mental thing right now (RR era Gibbons). He will be fine, and very soon I bet.
Still no reason they can;t put Allen in for a bit to see if the problem goes away.
2. No push from our D line. Corners had to cover too long and didn't keep the ball in front of them.
3. Offense looked good when we kept possession.
/ I'm just happy we won
Just coming in after the game to say the only snowflake was that we won and maybe that Fitz didn't look horrible. Other than that the game grades as a D- (not failing cuz we won) interested to read thru the thread
Turnovers. For all you jokers saying Devin is for sure gone...not so much.
Something ain't right in the trenches IMO. Maybe it's youth, but it's weird that Michigan cannot power run against ANYONE. WtF?
Seems to me that pretty much any defense can penetrate up the middle at will. Any power run, against any team, seems to be met immediately with a pile of defenders. I don't know enough about OL play to diagnose this problem, but it's very obviously an issue.
At one point I said that Funk needed more time in order to be judged as a coach. I think at this point, with two awesome tackles and some level of talent at guard, he is not getting it done. The OL has been bad for all 3 years now.
His first real recruiting class are all RS freshmen... but yeah,,, let's run the guy out of town.
The DL has been pretty bad these last 3 years too, let's fire Hoke and Mattison while we're at it.
Our DL two years ago was one of the best in the B1G...
I just can't see why we can't block power effectively. We were wayyyy bigger than Akron's DL up front. Tons of youth leagues/high schools run power down block/pull schemes with great success. I can't believe for one second that we can't do it, especially with this OL that has two good/great tackles and semi-athletic guards with size. If you can't teach a college O lineman to down block you should lose your job. The lack of Funchess being able to block at all is partially Funk too. Ferrigno may coach the TE's a lot, but the OL coach teaches blocking techniques to TE's too when they get together for run game practice.
IMO we are running some pretty basic run plays and we can't block them effectively. Iso, Power, Inside Zone, Stretch... High schools run these plays too.
We have three underclassmen with zero combined starts playing between our tackles, one of them is a walk on. I don't think I should have to say anything else to get my point across. The DL was a finished product when Hoke and Mattison got their hands on it on 2011. How has it looked 2012 and 2013? Right now they're worse than the OL.
Student section looked like pure unadulterated shit. That is all.
Miller was awful and getting blown up all day, Schofield played like shit too, there should have been a PI call on Lewis that was missed, (would have gave Akron a 1st and Goal, I believe), Devin Played terrible, I do not like how he seemed to lose his confidence and I almost lost it on one of the first drives when he frantically tried to avoid a sack and carlessly threw it, reminding me of the ND pick 6, and all around the defense was poor.
Now I thought I saw a lot of faces getting a lot of time that I did not see so much last Sat especially in the back 7 - was that a coaching decision based on the Akron spread O, was it to get players PT that almost bit UM in the ass or am I wrong and just did not notice last week because a terrible ND team did not expose it like the powerful Zips?????
That was a good PI call against Akron on Butt, hand was wrapped and riding - ref was in good position.
I am so very disappointed in the performance but they did live to fight another day had they lost it definitely would have been the death of me.
One thing I will say and no one can change my mind on this, is that if that completely terrible, Bullshit, insanely bad, holding penalty is NOT called on Butt in the 2nd Qtr where Fitz ran it down to inside the 2 yd line, a couple plays before Devin turned over the ball on the option, UM goes up 14 -3 most likely, Devin probably does not start the TO fest, and everyone on here including me is not losing thier Shit because they win rather easily. Butt came off the ball, turned the defender with a good punch to his outside shoulder then after the zip turned his back rammed him into the ground, the call was BULLSHIT. However, I do not care how many bullshit calls there are, you overcome those and still win easily and not like this, when you are Michigan and they are Akron.
But Thank Goodness they were able to win it, next week if UCONN does not get blasted then Michigan is truly not ready, nor that good, but if they come out and smack them then we can maybe start to believe today just was not thier day and write it off as a fluke, Oh how I hope a fluke is the case.
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So, the definition of winning ugly pretty much follows the stats for this particular game. Consider the following:
- We actually lost the battle of first downs. The differential for Michigan was -2 (Akron had 21 to our 19)
- Third down differential for Michigan was actually -20% for the game. Akron was 50% (9 for 18) and Michigan was 3 for 10 on third downs.
- Yardage differentials: +7 for total yardage for Michigan (425 to 418), and +1.56 for yards per play (we advanced 6.85 yards per snap on average while allowing 5.29).
- Akron ran 79 plays on offense to our 62 plays, which is significant.
- 4 turnovers to their 2
- We also lost the time of possession battle, having the ball about 6 minutes less than Akron
The result was a win by 4, but we did it despite being on the short end of several stats.
most of the stats you point out are pretty useless as a performance indicator unless you have two manball teams playing each other... which today was certainly not the case.
this early...yes I was bummed too. I still see talent, just think we need to start believing in our dB's and mix more blitz in. Most teams can't pressure consistently with four. All the Taylor bashing pisses me off...dude is solid IMO...he is playing off b/c he's being told to.