i refuse to even consider this a possibility
Michigan vs. Akron SNOWFLAKES Thread
Where did all my bourbon go?
Why is the rum gone?
Because I used it all to ignite a distress signal.
I sent my wife to the store to get some more. You can have some of mine.
No words can describe how bad that was... Don't even deserve to be over there in the student section today.
Opponent watch needs to have 2 added to the fear level of every team. No games should be less than a 3
in the Michigan Stadium student section after a win.
Today it was just plain awkward. Nauseating even.
Let us burn this and never speak of it again.
3 hrs ago i was pissed AFN wasn't carrying the game. Now I want nothing to do with it
So where's the Posbang?
So I guess we have a work in progress here.
I cannot believe how bad we looked against AKRON
We are all Scott Tenorman
One of my first thoughts looking at the MGoBoard was, "I can't wait to see what Brian does with this for TWIS", gotta look on the bright side.
He better take some Dramamine prior to UFRing this one
A win can't be a failure as bad as it was. D- all around.
This gets an MF. The scale goes D-, F+, F, F-, MF, MF-. Losing would have been an MF- and we didn't technically lose, so MF.
The running game is below average.
The passing game could be average or better if Gardner would quit murdering the team with interceptions. He's an above average scrambler.
The run defense is below average.
The pass rush is nonexistent.
The coverage is below average, but looks worse than it is because there is no pass rush, ever.
The special teams are below average.
This is a below average team across the board.
That cannot happen again.
like ND, UConn will make it look like we improved but were just ok.
This doesn't bode well for the rest of the season. Our line play was really, really poor.
This game exposed our weakness... and it's up front. Unthinkable.
Hoke has to be pretty upset and frustrated.
We always knew this. We just forgot about it in the thrill of UTL.
Too early to speculate on Funk's ability as a coach? O-line has struggled (especially run blocking) for some time
Funk defenders will point to Schofield and Lewan of course. Funk probably needs 1-2 more years to assess. He has a lot of raw clay to work with in the 2012-2013 classes. If this does not develop into a dominant OL in 2 years he becomes a liability. But those players are now freshmen and RS freshmen so difficult to judge him.
Lewan shut down senior first round pick Adrian Clayborn as a freshman under Rodriguez.
The interior line has been massively disappointing this year and last . If we don't see significant improvement with the interior line I think we should bring in someone else next year. If we keep Funk, though, let's be mindful that we lose one of the best tackle tandems in the country next year. Treading water would be a win.
Considering we trust Lewan and Schofield as good players and the list of walk-ons, Freshmen (RS or otherwise) that are good OLinemen is very very very short, I think it's unfair to put this on Funk. But like everyone else, the OL was the most disturbing part of this game. We thought that the interior would be better after last year, but to me, so far, it's worse. Devin and Fitz have had guys all over them almost instantly way too often this season. And I think this comes down to consistency, not ability....which is what Hoke has been saying in the pressers. We've seen dynamite plays from Kalis and to a lesser extent, Glasgow and Miller, but being consistent has not been there. Consistency is almost always the biggest issue for young guys. So at least it can get better....in leaps and bounds hopefully.
Ugh. So lets just put that one in the rear view mirror. That PI call in the end zone was a terrible call,. Home cooking all the way there.
Almost a shame they called it. We would've taken more time off the clock and might've avoided that sickening ending.
I had the same thought - wanted more clock to run. Further to that point my initial reaction on the TD was they let us score - which would have been very smart on their part. Still not convinced they didn't.
That call doesn't get made a lot because the ref isn't typically so on top of the play. Most of the time they won't see that hand on the back turning the receiver a bit, it's why DBs do it so often (especially on slants), but when it's directly in front of them you can expect it to get called.
Definitely a break though, that type of thing isn't called all the time, regardless of whether it should or shouldn't be.
You don't make that call. The hand was just resting there, he wasn't using it to grab the receiver.
It's bad enough to barely beat Akron. It's even worse when we need a bad call to do it.
I wouldn't say we needed that call. It was 1st and 10. I think we were going to score regardless.
his other arm/hand wrapped around Butt well before the ball was there. That is an easy call. Also it was only first down, so very likely they still score even without it.
Suddenly the rematch against App State seems like an even more of a terrible idea.
App State sucks now. Nowhere NEAR where they were in '07. They are mediocre to average in DI-AA now
Akron is supposed to suck now. Lot of good that did us
Terrry Bowden is a pretty good coach. Maybe he is rehabbing Akron a lot better than people think.
the Zips have been underestimated. They have Bowden who did some impressive things at Auburn and Amato isn't a schlub either. They have 22 kids who transferred in some from Florida State and Pitt so they do have some talent.
Yeah, but Akron also sucks. They got blown out by UCF and almost lost to James Madison.
like absolutely crap today. That doesn't mean that is going to be a pattern against inferior teams. We know this team is much better than what they showed today, though the line play is becoming a concern and has to get better.
that this team isn't much worse than it showed LAST week? After watching them today, I can't help but wonder.
is ranked #15 in the FCS.
The only comforting thought right now is imagining just how much practice is going to suck this week for those players.
Darrell Funk for one. That Oline was an abortion on wheels today
It's not the first time. Funk should be on the hot seat through the end of the year.
Because I hate "hot seat" talk. But the line's been struggling for the last year plus. Some of that has to be on the coach.
and we still can't run the damn ball. Where is the accountability at for the coaches? I now realize why our O-line looks so good in practice when they go against a D-line that can't pressure.
We cannot run the ball without the QB, and we are in year three of that. Don't get me wrong, I love Hoke--but this is now a real problem extending over time. Because I love him I can only think the problem is talent and Funk. But talent should not be a problem this year.
Are we already forgetting Fitz putting up 1000 yards and 5.6 yds/carry in 2011?
With guys he coached for less than 6 months before the season. Most of the kudos for that effort belongs with Richrod
I disagree. The RB's did not put up stats like that under RR. I think you can put it on a good, veteran OL for how good the RB's did in 2011.
And coaches can do an awful lot in 6 months timeframe....just look at what Mattison did in the same 6 month timeframe. Molk won the Rimington and Lewan has turned into a future 1st round pick, that didn't happen without coaching. I'm waiting to judge Funk until these recruits get a couple years in the program. Watching Kalis' development this season will be telling too.
well if Funk needs to be there then so does GMat and Hoke... the Dline can't get pressure save Black. I just hope Bryant is still hurt cause if not then that means Glasgow is better and he played like crap today.
More like turdpoops thread
Bama vs. TAMU
I would rather watch a Mark Dantonio/Pam Ward sex tape than re-live this game
think you are flying solo on that one
If it has Paris Hilton-quality lighting you've got a deal.
That "win" should count for half a loss.
Again, it is a win. Games like this happen, but at least it ended with a win.
before it inevitably becomes an issue, personal stuff on players is going to get that poster banned. Talk about their play all you want, how they messed up all you want, but we're not having personal attacks on players posted on MGoBoard.
But that's what happens when you have to actively look for it. Still, I don't think it's all that common here, but it was looking like there might be a few people too close to the ledge in the game threads so I thought a reminder/warning might head off some really crazy talk.
I think it's more common with the basketball team, but I hate it enough that I'd rather be annoying and say something unnecessary if I think it has any chance to help stop it.
I'm a lot more embarrassed of some of the posters on this board than I am of the performance on the field today.
More like hail and sleet and locusts and plagues.
Kittens and pink background for 3 days. I have not felt that bad about a Michigan team since 2008.
You must have tuned out the entire RR era.
2008 was the first year of RR. The last (and only) time we lost to a MAC squad.
3-0 is a helluva lot better than 2-1 and a loss to Akron. I'm going to leave it at that for the weekend. Props to Terry Bowden for a good, great, gameplan and coming up to the Big House to battle a team that's supposed to be superior in every facet of the game. Go Blue. Have a good weekend guys.
people forget that he and his DC coached high level football
Nebraska is gettin' their ass kicked...
Nope, that doesn't really help at all. :(
Up 21-3, Nebraska was making the B1G look good. 38 straight points later, well...WTF?
know how sparty has felt the last two weeks.
If we would have lost, Hoke would have been on the hot seat. I still blame him for not having the team ready. I'm concerned for the remainder of the season. I have to go back now to my original projection of 8-4 after upping it after the ND win. We are not a good football team now and not saying we cannot be a good football team by the end of the season.
And remember Notre Dame made it to the championship last year with some ugly games. I'm not saying we are heading to a championship game, but shit happens.
Has confirmed for me the utter vapidity of the term 'hot seat.'
Maybe just stop talkin' for a while, Champ. Sit the next couple of plays out.
No need for all that 'champ' talk, but I agree that any mention of a 'hot seat' is way off base.
And "Snowflakes" after losses...this is as close as a win can feel like a loss.
Embarrassed. Disgusted. Disappointed.
But a win...so go undefeated and let this be a "remember when we won the National Championship in 2013 and almost lost to Akron?" joke 10 years from now.
without those horrible things its over early. I have a feeling this won't stop, just like denard never improved in the pass game devin will make horrible throws.
I think the fumble was worse than two of the INT's. And if the D had showed up in the 2nd half it wouldn't have mattered. The D really crapped the bed.
I am going for a run.
Need to "exercise" (sic) these demons :)
Years from now, we will be happy this was a narrow win and not a narrow loss...
I blame Jim Tressel.
That son of a bitch was over on the side line waving his boogity stick and casting hexes on Michigan. He's a witch and must be burned at the stake.
Starters had to play the whole game. Who would have thought it.
Just goes to show you just how much emotion plays into the outcome of games.
I never thought I would have felt so deflated after a win.
- Interior O-line sucks
- Can't get pressure w/ 4
- Fitz still bounces
- Gardner still needs to work on decision making
- Secondary wasn't great, but you can't expect them to be when the QB has all day
most of the time, not sure what is going on with him. O-line, nuff said. I don't think Miller made a block all game and Glasgow is never around the play.
well he probably expecting his line to be in better position. when they are he has had big runs
Drinking beer instead of whiskey
What snowflakes? It's a win, but they played like poo. Not well formed healthy poo. Squirty liquidy, intestinal distress poo.
This thread should almost not be tempted. There is nothing productive to say except for different words for poop.
Michigan played a complete game today. They managed to play completely awful in every facet of the game. Had this been against pretty much anyone but Akron it would have been a loss.
Against anyone else they might have given a fuck. The lack of fucks given is what led to this performance.
...both scare me more than ND and MSU.
Anybody up for headlining TWIS? Yeah, me neither
On how many times Taylor was targeted the last two games? Seems like very completion is to his guy
Fitz and maybe Chesson the only bright spots today
4 Gardner turnovers. Hot and cold Toussaint. Lewan injury. Wile punted like garbage. Weak 4th and 1 punt. 3 missed FG combined between the teams. Interior line mostly getting blown to little bits. No backups. Strobel didn't fucking get to play because he was injured. Spiritually another Horror, even if we "won" the ballgame.
Good: Chesson catch/TD, did not lose the game on the scoreboard.
It sure doesn't feel like a win, does it?
It's more like we somehow managed not to lose.
They just didn't seem ready and definitely didn't execute. Michigan played it's worst game since Toledo today.
The offense had mid-level MAC talent. The talent level on this team is far higher although we are still paying the price for some weak/depleted recruiting classes.
Anyone? Anyone? Bueller?
This effort was unacceptable - yes, I said it.
The OL and DL would've been beat up by my local peewee football squad today.
The pro scouts won't care how he played against Akron when he improves his decision-making.
The O-line & D-line was outplayed by ND. We won that game largely due to Devin.
Akron is actually a good team. They were losing all those games on purpose and saving everything for Michigan.
"How can I increase future ticket prices against MAC doormats...Hmmmnnnn"
Watching them today. OL dominated and Gardner has a TO in 24 straight games. How many multiple TO's?
It stinks. It's over. We will forget about it in three weeks, as long as the team gets things together and starts playing well.
I think it's a massive let-down game and little more. Lousy week of practice, vanilla gameplan, noon start.
I hope so.
Yeah I know he's already used this but it's SOOO appropriate.
Mattison's bend dont break is getting old. If you cannot pressure with 4 you have to take risks. This is Akron and they dominated 2nd half on offense. How many blitzes did he bring? 3? Yes it exposes your back but so does a QB with 8 seconds to throw. You dont give Manning or Brady all that time because even with 7 playing passing defense they find holes. This philosophy doesnt work for this defense who does not have ability to create a pass rush. Yes Nebraska has no defense but this defensive philosophy is going to cost 50+ against that offense. OSU too. p.s. Frank Clark = most overhyped player in past 5 years. Nothing today against a MAC level OL.
But against Akron...you gotta play.
Mattison coached his worst game at Michigan. It's like everyone knew what Michigan was going to do and adjusted except him.
We either put 7 on the line and blitzed them all or we played a 2-deep shell and rushed 4.
why couldn't we disguise anything?
I think the idea is that against Akron, you shouldn't need a complicated gameplan to win. You save the good blitzes, stunts etc. for the big boys.
The D looked fine in the first half. If our offense had put this game to bed in the first half like it should, and could have, there wouldn't be much Mattison angst.
He has blitzed more as the game went on the last two games.
I think by now we know what we have on the DL, and its not much. I hope, expect to see more pressure going forward via blitz. Sending 5 or 6.
It also seems that when we do blitz, the timing is atrocious. Either showing too early and letting the offense audible or so late as to be worthless (the Wilson blitz from FS comes to mind).
I think Clark out on too much weight which has hurt his speed. plus he needs a counter move
instead of Mattison. He's done wonders for Michigan's D. I'll give him a few games to get this corrected.
They had better blow out UConn and Minny, because I really want to believe this game was a fluke.
at least nobody saw that, right? Tell me no one else watched that game...
Neb getting asswhipped is not a silver lining b/c BIG TEHNNNNN!!!
Borges did his best Brian Kelly impersonation, abandoning the run
DL is opposition invariant: not a good sign
Looked like lots of issues up front - gonna be a long season if we can't get the run game going against Akron.
Also still no pressure from the DL and thus a lot of coverage issues in the secondary. Hopefully this is just hangover from the ND game.
Devin definitely isn't going to the NFL after this year. Wooot
I feel bad for Akron - they totally deserved to win this stinkfest.
- A win
- Special Teams
- Shitty delivery pizza for lunch
But in all seriousness, I don't think I've seen a UM team just so disinterested and totally unfocused. I'm hoping its a wake up call and that starts with the Captains/Seniors. Could be a very long season or one to remember - only time will tell.
The offensive line is putrid. Gardner still makes horrible decisions. The defensive line cannot give pressure. Simply put, we won because of sheer luck.
Fortunately that's now just a teachable moment, a portion of the Big Ten TWIS, and a drop in the meaningless polls, instead of Horror II: The Horribler Horror.
Hopefully it means the coaching staff gets the team to take everyone as seriously as Notre Dame. Almost makes me root for ND to just blow the crap out of Purdue to make us feel better about last week.
Horror III, everyone forgets Toledo in 2008 (which was the worst Toledo team in 20 years) was II. Toledo will go down as the first M A C team ever to beat Michigan
I blame donuts
This has to be a preperation/readiness/emotional hangover issue right? Remember, this team beat ND. I'm just trying to reconcile the difference between this Saturday and last, but I'm having a very hard time doing it.
Crowd - terrible
student section - terrible
O Line - terrible
D Line - terrible
Garder - terrible
the Mr. Spots I had - terrible
everything - terrible
is over priced and not that good. Walk around back and get yourself some Ali Baba's
I don't love the sandwiches but the wings are phenomenal
I don't even remember what it was like to be happy.
Every good team has a bad game now and again. Towson, an FCS team, took LSU, a top-10 FCS team, to the wire in Death Valley last year. Bad games suck, but they happen. We've seen what this team is capable of when it's on it's game.
We've got a lot of crap we need to clean up on, but a win is a win. Shake it off, accept the fact that you played a bad game, and move on to next week.
Sorry, meant top-10 SEC team. My head is still spinning right now.
Too many donuts?
now we all know how Sparty has felt the past couple of weeks. Dear Sparties: I'm Sorry. I was mean. That was wrong. You have a very good defense. Can we borrow it?
Jesse Palmer was "disappointed" in the play of Devin Gardner.
Yeah, no shit sherlock.
Um. No. That is all.
around for 2007 home opener. Akron came to play obviously Michigan didn't.
You have got to be kidding me. Hoke should have built a time machine and aged his players so they had more experience?
You're a troll and a stupid one at that.
Yes, the line has regressed since Hoke's first year. That happens when the Rimington winner graduates and then the next year your entire interior line graduates.
What the fuck did you expect?!
ok, and parts are getting better. If we attribute that to him then it all evens out.
Also, we have a young team and these types of games happen. Stop the hysterics
For better or worse you have to judge Hoke in 2015 not 2013. His recruiting is top notch, his family atmosphere stuff is top notch, his Michigan man stuff is top notch. Until he has his players in, and in as upperclassmen it is too soon to judge. Rich Rod defenders will say he was judged in year 3 but unless we get blown out by 40 (?) in our bowl game by the 5th best SEC team it is a different situation. 2014 is going to be tough on offense as all our top line skill players leave except Devin (I assume not Devin), along with the tackles. So it will be an extremely young offense in 2014 and you need to live on that defense. Which means he DL has to take leaps and bounds in the next 11 months. Then in 2015 you have Shane + depth everywhere and Hoke's depth. If they do just another 9-3 or 8-4 season in 2015 there will be major questions about Hoke. But now? Too soon.
I agree on the lack of dline production. Maybe they just haven't recruited well there. They simply can get off blocks. No explosion at all. Everyone looks like their shoes are in concrete.
them gain too much weight. Joke and Pattinson are unwilling to have that light weight speed end that you need to rush 4, apparently due to fears against the run. Run defense wasn't as bad as people think but pass d will be terrible due to lack of rush unless a miracle occurs.
the spellchecker correction of H one. my sincerest apologies as I used the app which apparently won't let you change. If it does please explain to me how.
What's hilarious is that your device autocorrects to Pattinson - guess you're team Edward.
The game was awful, but it's just one game. Somehow, we managed to be ND by 11 last week.
That was exhausting. The interior OL needs a shakeup and the defense nearly blew it at the end. Just glad we didn't lose.
bad football teams lose that game. How's that.
A bad football team lost that game. However, I don't think a good football team won it.
Snowflakes huh...ummm Beyer got pressure at the end?
When the post-game snowflakes bury me out on the cold tundra I begin to feel so warm. So warm. This is a nice way to die, feeling warm and settled, at peace with barely beating a team with decal zippers on their helmets.
WE DID IT BABY!!!!!! WE DID IT!!!! WE BEAT AKRON!!! WE BEAT.... uh... akron?
Never done this after a win, but I'm doing this....
Lol that's awesome
That is the best play I've seen all day
Seriously, all the pressure in game 1 was from teh blitz. As units the big guys in the trenches haven't been able to bring it. Story of the season so far.
Gardner TOs yeah, but UM should be opening huge running lanes and sacking MAC teams with DL.
Shouldn't need Gardner QB runs to move the ball.
This is all BTN's fault. Until they broadcast the horror, we never lost to MAC schools or even came close, really.
/not really, just trying to find something to help with the ridiculous embarrassment of beating Akron on a stupid play all and lucky blitz.
Seemed Pohl had a horrible time when we blitzed. Yes, one or two times he found a reciever, but most of the time he threw it away.
I seriously question if they even prepared for Akron this week.
This was almost a disgrace, poor job all around. Hopefully it is a learning experience. I absolutely think this team was extremely cocky and this should be a huge kick to their balls.
I saw a team to through the motions of wanting to play. No fire or passion. They didn't respect their opponent and thats on the head coach. This team was soft all day. My biggest concern is the dline. They are a sorry bunch. And that the spot Hoke focuses all his attention on. What's that say?
Well, at least now I know what a stoke and an orgasm simultaneously feels like!
Hello BIG MACCCCCC
Perhaps Eminem was looking a week into the future and that's why he looked catatonic for the first minute or so of the Musberger/Herbstreit interview?
Whatever, I will adopt that blank-eyed stare for the rest of the day if anyone asks me about this game.
The LG and center positions are just awful. I think for the betterment of the team Mike needs to be moved back to LG. Take Glascow out. Leave Miller at center because we have no better options. Then insert Braden at RT or Mags.
On defense are corners need to be closer than 10 yards off the line. I understand its a scheme things with giving up the short stuff and making good tackles to limit big plays but its not working. Instead it gives the QB and WRs confidence with quick easy completions. When it comes to getting pressure... Were just fucked till Jake gets back. That simple.
And Devin puts to much pressure on himself.
I agree or if Bryant is not hurt he needs to play. also Bosch can't be any worse than Glasgow so what he's a freshman
Young team, emotional win last week, turnovers. It happens to a lot of teams. You wish it wouldn't happen to our team but yeah.
I don't know what Gardner was seeing today, it's very frustrating that our D-Line can't get pressure without blitzing, and our O-Line can't run block for shit.
Worried about Big Ten play now.
We have all the same issues we had last year and we'll have them again next year too. We can't run block, we couldn't last year, and we won't next year either when Lewan & Schofield leave. We have no pass rush, we didn't last year, and we won't next year unless Hand comes, is insane, and is good in year one. We are still soft in the back end, we were last year, and I hope it will be better as I expect Peppers to start at CB in year one opposite Countess, but who will play opposite Wilson at safety? And, we can't stop turning the ball over, we couldn't last year, and apparently we can't this year either. It all makes sense, I think the answers to most of these problems are either already on the team or have signed as a recruit and/or will very soon. But, it will take the trenches time to develop on both sides, we still need Hand, & Peppers is otw. But, man it's just so frustrating to see the same struggles from last year still here and seem like they may still be here next year. It's like we are a young team every year. Why can't we just be experienced AND talented already argh! It just shouldn't take this long.
I need a beer
Something I've enjoyed during this coaching staff's tenure is their ability to adjust when things aren't working. I'm failing to understand why M's DBs continued to give such big cushions to Akron's receivers. You can't chalk it up to "bend, don't break" this week, I don't think.
Lets hope Alabama loses. That storyline will take away from this one.
Mods can't handle the truth, this team fuckng blows, everyone on offense minus Lewan is a shit show
This team is full of total Dbags
You sound like a great fan. I'm so glad you root for Michigan.
These kids go to Michigan for fucking free. I pay $50,000 a year to go here. Excuse me for not feeling sorry when they can;t fucking play football well enough to beat Akron, when that's what they're here to do
Obtain control of your horses. The banhammer looms.
They did beat Akron, so your point is......?
I hope you're really drunk.
blind faith is the worst thing you can have as a fan. If fans had lost faith and stayed away the Lions would have been sold to ownership with a clue long ago. Just as a for instance. And I repeat I AM. NOT AGREeing with him,
And clearly, Michigan football and the Detroit Lions are perfect analogies.
I guess AJ Williams is far more important than anyone realized
Anyone I hear say "a win is a win" or "good teams find a way to win" or anything similar in the next three weeks or so wil be punched. by me
Is a win. Bring it.
but boy, I don't think we can snicker at other B10 schools (sparty) who don't perform well against lower level teams. Congrats, though, to Akron...they played their hearts out. I give them a hell of a lot of credit.
Just don't understand the soft D
Better to poop the bed against Akron than a better team like Minnesota or Indiana.
Imagine if Lewan had been seriously hurt...
We won and no key injuries. Move on!
I said it in a thread that got deleted but never ever again should anyone on here talk down about an opponent. We are the team that experienced The Horror and we almost witnessed version 2.0 today.
Too much content this week was here's a YouTube video of Akron trying to play defense! Ha! Or....well this would concern me but it's Akron so nope we're good. Never again.
I believe they thought too highly of themselves. Maybe the coaches too relaxed after the ND win. This was too damn close for comfort. This upcoming week should be the most intense yet.
M football plays bad and MSU has an offense!
I thought the EXACT SAME THING!
Hoke better make that team's lives a living hell in practice this week.
Film time won't be a fun time for them, either.
Offense: Devin has to take better care of the ball. He simply does not value the football. I thought the wide receivers would be a weakness on this team, and they seem to be the most consistent unit that we have. on the offense of line, Lewan is the only player who is playing Michigan football or Big Ten caliber football. Even Schofield makes far too many mistakes.
Defense: We don't have the talent to rush 4...Black is the only pass rush we have. Clark was wildly overrated. That said, our play calling is horrible! Every play we either run a base defense, or we send the house. We don't disguise anything and it allows the offense to make checks at the line and adjust to what they see us doing. I don't understand why we can't show blitz but only rush 4 or vice versa. Put 7 on the line and drop a few guys. Or show a base, let them check then move 3 guys up to the line late in the play clock so they can't adjust. It's so f-ing simple. Confuse someone and give your team an advantage Mattison!
Yeah, it's becoming apparent that the running game just may not get it going this year. Again our offense has too much reliance on the QB who at this point is prone to mistakes.
The defense may not be very good and I'm struggling to figure out why. And yes I can't see why they are doing simple things on that side of the ball.
My snowflake is more yellow snow...
I have no idea what was going on with the O-Line, but it sure seemed on tv like there were holes at times and nothing on other runs.
This was probably good for Devin, so he doesn't try to play hero-ball against the better defenses left on the schedule. I was shuddering to think about him running with his back to the line of scrimmage against Michigan State or Ohio (or even PSU). Still, it sucked for this game.
I have a feeling that the starters all assumed they were going to work for a quarter or two and sit...and played like they were just trying to get to their break.
I guess except for the O-Line and D-Line (I don't know what was wrong), most of the attitude/approach issues are correctable, and I think the staff can do it. But man, that was closer and more nail-biting than Notre Dame.
I hope this gets forgotten quickly. Thank goodness for a W, thats all I'm saying.
An ugly game to be sure, but the turnovers are the reason it was so close. 4 (to 2 from Akron), one of which was housed. Another when we were in the red zone. That could be a 14-21 point swing right there. Losing all that seals the game against all but the worst of teams.
The offense had to bring us from behind in the 4th, and the defense had to make a stand as time ran out. The pressure not to lose to Akron - Akron of all teams, Akron, the lowest of the low - must have been insane. I'm grateful they were able to step up. It feels like some of us would've rather seen our team commit hara-kiri and take the loss.
It was horrible, it was nerve-wracking, it was unexpected, it shouldn't have been so close. We saw quite a few weaknesses exposed, and we can't expect to win many games playing like this. We shouldn't just sweep the game under the rug as an aberration, the coaches should tear into it.
But I'm not ready to hang myself over a game we won, and I haven't forgotten the team we saw last week. I hope our team and our coaches haven't forgotten either.
I'll feel a lot better in 3-4 weeks when Akron is 5-2, not 1-2. I hate rooting for ohio teams, but I will be rooting for them to win the MAC now
When we are on defense and they spread us out...I can understand why we play a soft coverage against ND because they have a few burners at WR, but Akron? When we blitzed we couldn't get to the QB. When we didn't blitz we gave up a ton of yards and couldn't stop completions. So here's my qeustion....if they line up like that all we have to do is win one-on-one battles. Why can't we win one-one-one battles against MAC teams? Our defensive lineman should be able to beat one-on-one blocks and get to the QB, right? And, our DBs should be able to run with MAC recievers, right? Why aren't we winning those individual battles? If Akron does this to us what's gonna happen when NW, Neb, & OSU run this against us?
Here's a theory: just because you play for Michigan doesn't mean you are a stud. I'm not being a jerk about that. What I mean is other schools have players too that practice hard, lift weights, watch film, and develop into good players.
2 examples. Matt Godin and Keith Heitzman. Both are at Michigan but you can't say they are dominant, game changing players. They are just "guys". I've never seen either of them beat and offensive lineman for a sack or tackle for a loss
From 2008 until the current class our recruiting classes were #13, #10, #14, not sure for 2011, #7, and #6. That should encompass anyone on the team today. With classes of that rank there is no excuse for a lack of talented pass rushers. So, Heitzman & Godin can't be dominant because they aren't elite. Well, what about Charlton , Ojemudia, & Pipkins? They may be young but they are talented...why aren't they playing and/or producing? I mean if you go across the defense Washington, Pipkins, Charlton, Countess, Wilson, Bolden, Ross, Ojemidua...these are talented kids that should be producing. I get that Clark, Morgan, Gordon, and Taylor are not elite, but they are still better than MAC talent and they are on the field over younger more highly rated gusy like Charlton, RJS, Thomas, and Lewis. I get that it takes time to develop guys, but I just don't see other highly rated recruits taking this long. IDK maybe guys like Peppers, Mone, Marshall, Ferns, and Hand & McDowell if they come will be able to make impacts faster than the last two classes of guys.
When we blitzed the QB just threw the ball away, almost immediately. So yeah we didn't sack him but they never took advantage of it either. I am shocked we did not blitz more. Very few teams can get the job done only rushing four.
Take it out on uconn.
If we aren't close to perfection in that game I think it could shake more confidence about the season.
Win. Which means clever stuff on MGB rest of week, and some insight. Instead of doom and schadenfruede for our enemies.
Carr's team lost that game. Rich Rod's team lost that game. Hoke's team won it.
Yes. Yes, I do.
Go ahead a beat yourself up and feel horrible and blame the team, Hoke and anyone else. Let me know how that goes for you.
The fact is, the team found a way to win when it had no right to win. The past two coaching regimes screwed the pooch in similar circumstances.
Not sure that is fair as this team is much more talented than any of the one's Rich Rod had. I wonder what our O would look like if we ran more of the Rich Rod era spread offense? I'm guessing it would be pretty explosive.
had missed two field goals and thrown an interception in the red zone, Carr and Rich Rod would have won those games too. These mistakes are outside of Hoke's control.
Actually, both of those teams missed FGs and threw picks against us. Our comeback against App State was aided by their miscues.
Also, Akron's two missed FGs were really long kicks. It wasn't a shock that they missed.
For a coaching staff that talks about the trenches SOO much the level of play has been a disaster on the Lines for a while now.
Now its bad even with 4-5* talent...
That is the most concerning thing.
Gardner almost has as many picks this season as McCarron does in his whole career.
the paramedics have left and my heart is working again. Now, on to the Manhattans.
At what point will we be an exceptional football team? When we are good up front on both sides of the ball - have been shitty for years and it is getting old.
We'll also be good when Gardner stops turning the ball over and makes better decisions
Go back to mlive.
Funk should be on the hot seat. He's in his third year as oline coach and he still hasn't figured out how to get them to run block. I understand they're young but they were playing against the Akron Zips. Holy shit.
Our attrition and young, but talented defense reared their ugly head. We have some great players but we do not have enough great senior leadership that we can depend on in games like this.
Here's a Devin snowflake that drives me crazy: He's good when scrambling and looking downfield and good running in space. But when he panics he zigzags backwards, often zigging right in the arms of the defender he just zagged away from, and turns a 5-yard loss into a 15-yard loss. When AT LEAST GO SIDEWAYS is screaming through my head, Devin is hustling backwards as fast as he can. That's partly what caused the endzone INT against the SIr Robins and he did it, I think twice, today.
"When he starts running to your left, veer right, and the two of you will meet."
Hopefully, Devin's setting one of our November oppenents up for the fake-360.
Coach Funk really needs to be on the hot seat. Our O-Line has regressed the past couple years and we have too much talent (albeit young) to play this awful. Even with young linemen, we should have been blowing their line off the ball and it was the complete opposite. Can't believe how close this was, it was like the Horror all over again. Terrible execution from every facet, except Fitz did the best with what he got
agree on all of it really. Fitz has run hard every play this season. He has been real sharp from the get go.
unless we reshuffle the OL and find something; I think UM needs to spread it out more and let Gardner do his thing. With the current group playing smash mouth is a waste of a down.
I'm watching A&M go 4 wide every play and march on Bama....I don't want to go full spread all the time but I think we need to be pass first from here on out.
Chesson flash some playmaking skill, Dileo knows how to find gaps, Gallon is Gallon, Funchess is a mismatch. There are weapons there.
I was telling ms. ND Sux all damn game that we are a pass first team. Run will open up when they decide to stop the pass.
Out-coached, out-played, out-efforted (yes, I'm at the point of making up words). If it wasn't for our far superior talent that would have been a beatdown.
on that field where the talent wasn't "far superior"
If you go by raw talent you would be hard pressed to find a spot where UM isn't superior by a decent margin.
Tell me, which service has Akron's players anywhere near the recruiting rankings that Michigan players have managed in the last 5 years? You can point at walk-on starters (Glasgow, fullback, and special teamers) and no one else.
The coaches and seniors should take responsibility for this performance.
I hope to hear no excuses on this one.
Has everyone learned their lesson yet?
Breaking News: Any team can beat any team, any day of the week. It does not matter what their name is, what their record is, how big their school is, what conference they are in or what you did last week.
People laughing at me on here for saying to not take any team lightly, despite what they have done in the past, I hoped learned.
akron is a horrible football team. But you should have the mindset that it's the biggest game of the year going into it.
Maybe I'm just an insane fanatic (I know I am). I learned my lesson in 2008 against toledo.
wasn't really that much of a relative shock. (While that was the worst absolute loss in my Michigan lifetime, #95 versus #134 isn't a gimme.)
That was still an awful MAC team that even that Michigan team should've beaten.
Michigan lost that game. toledo did nothing to win it. Michigan just shot themselves in the foot constantly, thus, ruining the perfect record against the MAC.
as a win can possible be, however I think we need to move back from the ledge. The team and coaches both weren't prepared today, and were looking past Akron today after the big ND win. It is college football, that happens though it doesn't excuse the performance.
We know this team is much better than what they showed today, based on the first two games. Just like everybody else I am concerned about the o-lines and d-lines though, because subpar play seems like a recurring theme at those spots. I am confident it can get better though, by the time Big Ten play rolls around. Devin needing to take better care of the ball is a given, but I think people need to remember he hasn't even had a full season worth of starts in his career.
Also others have already mentioned it, but what the hell is with soft coverage they keep on showing when not blitzing? Don't know why Mattison doesn't show more confidence in his DB's even when they have a clear talent advantage. I also disagree with the amount of rotation going on the d-line, and I think that is part of the problem. Your best players need to stay on the field more. Maybe I am missing something, but I still haven't seen Glasgow make an impact play on the d-line and yet he still is getting a decent amount reps.
The positive is this game should serve as a wake up call of sorts.
If the fitz run doesn't get negated by phantom holding on Butt its a blowout and no one is worried. Survive and advance!
Never get too high after a win (ND) or too low after a game like this. Young team. Lots of room for improvement. Still 9 games left. Come off of the ledge. Young teams have weeks like this.
Chesson also lookes really good. Would like him to get targeted a few more times a game.
Absolutely agree. Problem with youth is inconsistency.
that is all. They were a 21-point swing, at least. Now, that still makes it closer than it should have been, but we take care of the ball, and the Big House starts to empty early in the fourth quarter.
Problem is, the normal way to teach ball security is to take it away from the offender(s). Not an option here - we are riding Devin this year for better or for pick six, two-tirnovers-in-the-red -zone, etc.
Watching this again and wow just about everyone played poorly and this wasn’t RPS people didn’t make blocks, tackles etc. No excuse for this type of performance including coaches. I know we are young but this better be corrected quickly. Worst outing I have seen with Hoke has coach. Only silver lining might be that DG’s draft grade went down and maybe we will have him for another year.
Only thing more disappointing was that 'The Bears" fans didn't mention Ditka flying the plane during that State Farm commercial.
Was there something wrong with Gardner today? He looked like 'bad' denard out there. He had to have had an injury or illness. I can't see him ever getting mentally shook so bad that he plays like this. They even took the game out of his hands at the end by running a lot more. That being said, where the hell was our line play? We 'should' be bigger, faster, more talented than them. We should have gotten pressure on every play with a four man rush. We should have been able to run the ball with authority every single play if we chose to. Line play and Gardner were simply pathetic today.
I thought Jarrod Wilson shouldve gone upfield on the INT rather than the touchback. Only saw 1 Zip in front of him and that player was being blocked. Would love to know what comes of this UFR.
I understand trying to avoid the risk of being stopped inside your own ten. There was only one or two Akron guys out there, and he had three guys in front of him who could of easily led the way as blockers.
Here's something to make us feel better:
Army lost last week to Ball St. 40-14. They lost to Stanford today 34-20.
Teams have off games. At least we found a way to not lose? I guess?
In the second century of the Christian era, the Empire of Rome comprehended the fairest part of the earth, and the most civilized portion of mankind...
...its genius was humbled in the dust ; and armies of unknown Barbarians, issuing from the frozen regions of the North, had established their victorious reign over the fairest province of Europe and Africa.
...the vicissitudes of fortune, which spares neither man nor the proudest of his works, buries empires and cities in a common grave.
- Edward Gibbon
A win is a win is a win is a win, but that felt like death. Dust is coming for us all!
They need to practice with tunnel vision this week and be 100% focused on UConn.
Going to be interesting to see how ND does tonight. I mean, Purdue, yes. But then again, Akron.
As other people have echoed, this 'win' doesn't negate the win last week. Did this team go from 'awesome' to 'crap' in one week? Of course not. Was it a pathetic display of football today? Absolutely. Is the continued problems on the interior OL (Schofield to an extent today as well) and DL worrying? Yes.
Is pee flavored.
I'm going to go sit on my deck and smoke cigars and drink bourbon until the memory of this game is completely purged from my brain.
Today you all are like boooo worst team ever. We won, played like crap but won. No one is getting fired nor should they be. Lines were great last week, stopping two NFL first rounders. They have a bad day and now they suck. They are growing, they will be better because of this win-lose. I am sure the whole team will be a little more attentive now. I hope all my clunkers turn out as wins and that others hold themselves to the same standard they do the football team.
It was the Gardner/Gallon show. Ress played well. Gardner and Gallon played better.
UM OL and DL were throughly outplayed. Today Gardner had a bad game and the OL and DL had a draw vs Akron.
Akrons RBs ran on us better then Fitz did on them actually. And that wasnt on fitz either
While the OL lets us down this is the exact same OL that gave a very good ND DL a handful last game, point blank I think the entire team was still riding that emotional high from last week and started to believe their own hype.
The team as a whole looked uninterested and unmotivated simply due to the fact that they probably thought this was a cake walk and half sleep their way through. Akron by contrast has nothing to loose and momentum from Michigan mistakes that permeated late into the second half.
I don't think OL is that bad, their young and I think the got caught napping. Luckily, Akron is so bad they got away with that. This game to me was a necessary wake up that this team needed so as to not let a big game win lead to a letdown.
But for a couple of plays, he either made good quick decisions as to where to throw the ball or scrambled to give himself time.
That could be either a good thing or a bad thing. It would be better to have a dominant O-Line, but Gardner is capable of overcoming the disadvantage we'll have on the O-Line in big games.
Admittedly I forgot a good chunk of the plays, but I could swear the OL got holes open for Fitz and was decent in giving DG time ?
No, not really. DG was hit on every throw of his first drive.
I don't think the dline is that bad, akron and ND are quick pass offenses, they always hurt us. Turnovers kept it from being an easy win. After UConn, as long as we don't lose to turnovers, you will think our dline is good assuming they still run the same style offense at uconn as they did last time we played. This quick pass offense kills us, as soon as we bumped the safeties up the went deep on Taylor for a cross your fingers he catches it pass.
If they are quick pass offenses than why is the coverage so soft on receivers? Hard to get real burned on quick passes if you press and jam and have even a little safety play. I just think the lines are bad. They aren't the only units needing a lot of improvement. But lets start there
I am on day three of being evacuated from my house in Colorado and was out gathering some things to hopefully return home this evening. As a result I did not watch this crapfest. So that is a plus.
That was awful, but we didn't lose. The team got away with taking the week off and playing vanilla offense and defense.
Positives: Chesson yards-after-catch looked really good. More touches for him as teams double and triple Gallen, please.
Lots of snaps for Jourdan Lewis. Not sure why we've played a different 3rd CB each week (Stribling-Hollowell-Lewis). Thought Lewis looked pretty good out there.
Willie Henry played and appeared to look pretty good on first viewing. This season, I was expecting him to be the first DT off the bench and do well.
Prediction: U-Conn will be very sorry we played so poorly today.
my bright spot of the game. that and Fitz. Looks real sharp, I don't expect to see much Green this year.
This is all part of Hokes plan. He was in full control. He was just teaching these young men a lesson. It's just part of the Hoke/Mattison strategery. I can confirm this. My uncle's bosses daughter's landscaper used to groom Hokes neighbors dog back...... So it's not just heresay.
but I blame Dave Brandon. He wants to increase future prices against bottom-feeder MAC teams.
Line play is the heart of all problems. skill players have been suprisingly good IMO this year. or better than expected at least
I'd have been infuriated if they'd called flagged Michigan on anything like the PI on the pass to Butt in the endzone that was called on Akron, particularly when the officials swallowed the flag on the far, far more egregious PI on Jourdan Lewis earlier. It was a great defensive play by the Akron defender.
Agreed. He definitely grabbed Butt like Robin Thicke.
We really need to get Bryant and maybe some other guys a chance out there on the Oline. They have been getting beat every game outside of some garbage time against CMU. Even Lewan and Schofield looked pretty bad today.
D-line just doesn't have anyone that can win any 1 on 1s which is scary. Play after play after play I was waiting for just one guy to make a play, JUST ONE but they can't get by anyone. Heck they were more likely to run into each other and take each other out than get pressure on the QB or stuff the RB.
This is the #1 concern on the team. The lack of anyone that can beat an blocker one on one and get a sack or tackle for loss. It's not for lack of coaching or a bad scheme. It's the guys they have. They just aren't quick or explosive. Black and Beyer can on occasion make a good play. But it's few and far between.
Everyone is forgetting the awful punting. Aside from one boomer for 54 yards there were 2 shanks and that kills you. The first Akron FG just becomes a 3 and out if the punt was not 24 yards or whatever. The punt game is going to kill us in 1-2 game in November as the change of field is horrid. You need to move the other team back 45 yards not 25 yards on change of possessions. Yes I agree on all the other issues but no one is speaking of this horrible punting performance ALL YEAR.
I said it during the game. Damn that Hagerup, and poor Matt Wile! He's not a punter, poor kid.
I had to remind people in the stadium to direct there anger at the guy who got suspended for the year, not the guy trying to fill in hen punting isn't his collegiate specialty.
Wile out punted Hagerup last year based on the averages..
is a damn good punter with a mental thing right now (RR era Gibbons). He will be fine, and very soon I bet.
Still no reason they can;t put Allen in for a bit to see if the problem goes away.
2. No push from our D line. Corners had to cover too long and didn't keep the ball in front of them.
3. Offense looked good when we kept possession.
/ I'm just happy we won
Just coming in after the game to say the only snowflake was that we won and maybe that Fitz didn't look horrible. Other than that the game grades as a D- (not failing cuz we won) interested to read thru the thread
Turnovers. For all you jokers saying Devin is for sure gone...not so much.
Something ain't right in the trenches IMO. Maybe it's youth, but it's weird that Michigan cannot power run against ANYONE. WtF?
Seems to me that pretty much any defense can penetrate up the middle at will. Any power run, against any team, seems to be met immediately with a pile of defenders. I don't know enough about OL play to diagnose this problem, but it's very obviously an issue.
At one point I said that Funk needed more time in order to be judged as a coach. I think at this point, with two awesome tackles and some level of talent at guard, he is not getting it done. The OL has been bad for all 3 years now.
His first real recruiting class are all RS freshmen... but yeah,,, let's run the guy out of town.
The DL has been pretty bad these last 3 years too, let's fire Hoke and Mattison while we're at it.
Our DL two years ago was one of the best in the B1G...
I just can't see why we can't block power effectively. We were wayyyy bigger than Akron's DL up front. Tons of youth leagues/high schools run power down block/pull schemes with great success. I can't believe for one second that we can't do it, especially with this OL that has two good/great tackles and semi-athletic guards with size. If you can't teach a college O lineman to down block you should lose your job. The lack of Funchess being able to block at all is partially Funk too. Ferrigno may coach the TE's a lot, but the OL coach teaches blocking techniques to TE's too when they get together for run game practice.
IMO we are running some pretty basic run plays and we can't block them effectively. Iso, Power, Inside Zone, Stretch... High schools run these plays too.
We have three underclassmen with zero combined starts playing between our tackles, one of them is a walk on. I don't think I should have to say anything else to get my point across. The DL was a finished product when Hoke and Mattison got their hands on it on 2011. How has it looked 2012 and 2013? Right now they're worse than the OL.
Student section looked like pure unadulterated shit. That is all.
Miller was awful and getting blown up all day, Schofield played like shit too, there should have been a PI call on Lewis that was missed, (would have gave Akron a 1st and Goal, I believe), Devin Played terrible, I do not like how he seemed to lose his confidence and I almost lost it on one of the first drives when he frantically tried to avoid a sack and carlessly threw it, reminding me of the ND pick 6, and all around the defense was poor.
Now I thought I saw a lot of faces getting a lot of time that I did not see so much last Sat especially in the back 7 - was that a coaching decision based on the Akron spread O, was it to get players PT that almost bit UM in the ass or am I wrong and just did not notice last week because a terrible ND team did not expose it like the powerful Zips?????
That was a good PI call against Akron on Butt, hand was wrapped and riding - ref was in good position.
I am so very disappointed in the performance but they did live to fight another day had they lost it definitely would have been the death of me.
One thing I will say and no one can change my mind on this, is that if that completely terrible, Bullshit, insanely bad, holding penalty is NOT called on Butt in the 2nd Qtr where Fitz ran it down to inside the 2 yd line, a couple plays before Devin turned over the ball on the option, UM goes up 14 -3 most likely, Devin probably does not start the TO fest, and everyone on here including me is not losing thier Shit because they win rather easily. Butt came off the ball, turned the defender with a good punch to his outside shoulder then after the zip turned his back rammed him into the ground, the call was BULLSHIT. However, I do not care how many bullshit calls there are, you overcome those and still win easily and not like this, when you are Michigan and they are Akron.
But Thank Goodness they were able to win it, next week if UCONN does not get blasted then Michigan is truly not ready, nor that good, but if they come out and smack them then we can maybe start to believe today just was not thier day and write it off as a fluke, Oh how I hope a fluke is the case.
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So, the definition of winning ugly pretty much follows the stats for this particular game. Consider the following:
- We actually lost the battle of first downs. The differential for Michigan was -2 (Akron had 21 to our 19)
- Third down differential for Michigan was actually -20% for the game. Akron was 50% (9 for 18) and Michigan was 3 for 10 on third downs.
- Yardage differentials: +7 for total yardage for Michigan (425 to 418), and +1.56 for yards per play (we advanced 6.85 yards per snap on average while allowing 5.29).
- Akron ran 79 plays on offense to our 62 plays, which is significant.
- 4 turnovers to their 2
- We also lost the time of possession battle, having the ball about 6 minutes less than Akron
The result was a win by 4, but we did it despite being on the short end of several stats.
most of the stats you point out are pretty useless as a performance indicator unless you have two manball teams playing each other... which today was certainly not the case.
this early...yes I was bummed too. I still see talent, just think we need to start believing in our dB's and mix more blitz in. Most teams can't pressure consistently with four. All the Taylor bashing pisses me off...dude is solid IMO...he is playing off b/c he's being told to.