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March 3rd, 2013 at 7:42 PM | Glad you brought this up... (Score:-1 Normal)
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I know I wasn't the only one down and ready to say "well Trey, you lost this one for us...I'm not going to yell, kick, scream because you've won MANY more for us...but this one is on you."

He was making terrible decisions with the ball. He missed a wide open Hardaway in the corner, he should've given the ball up to GRIII on a fast break, he tried to spin in the lane in a double team, he committed a terrible foul 28 feet from the basket. It was a horrifying 3-4 minutes.

Then out of nowhere...he flipped the switch and was just as good as he was bad for that small stretch.

In the end, that's what we're going to get. I just hope he learns to trust his teammates more. If he's got the ball in his hands, it's his decision to make. Make the right/smart one.

He has every right to get upset if we go down the floor and he never touches the ball and we take a bad shot. But there's nothing wrong with HIM making the decision for someone else to shoot.

I hope he learns from this game because we're going to need a total team effort if we're going to make this Final 4 run. I still believe.

As bad as that stretch was, we still have Trey Burke and no one else does. Advantage...us.

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March 4th, 2013 at 10:16 AM | Glad you brought this up... (Score:1)
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I know I wasn't the only one down and ready to say "well Trey, you lost this one for us...I'm not going to yell, kick, scream because you've won MANY more for us...but this one is on you."

He was making terrible decisions with the ball. He missed a wide open Hardaway in the corner, he should've given the ball up to GRIII on a fast break, he tried to spin in the lane in a double team, he committed a terrible foul 28 feet from the basket. It was a horrifying 3-4 minutes.

Then out of nowhere...he flipped the switch and was just as good as he was bad for that small stretch.

In the end, that's what we're going to get. I just hope he learns to trust his teammates more. If he's got the ball in his hands, it's his decision to make. Make the right/smart one.

He has every right to get upset if we go down the floor and he never touches the ball and we take a bad shot. But there's nothing wrong with HIM making the decision for someone else to shoot.

I hope he learns from this game because we're going to need a total team effort if we're going to make this Final 4 run. I still believe.

As bad as that stretch was, we still have Trey Burke and no one else does. Advantage...us.

“True loyalty is that quality of service that grows under adversity and expands in defeat. Any street urchin can shout applause in victory, but it takes character to stand fast in defeat. One is noise — the other, loyalty.”

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March 3rd, 2013 at 8:08 PM | I still have no idea (Score:2)
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I still have no idea what Jordan did to foul out??   Terrible call.   oh well, woo hoo!!  Suck it, Spartans!!!!!!

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March 3rd, 2013 at 7:39 PM | Trey Burke can play the game (Score:1)
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Trey Burke can play the game pretty well; on defense too (& much more than just his last couple plays of the game)!!

Defense needs to play like this EVERY game.  They're ceiling for the post-season goes up when they play like they did today.  Combined with a potent offense, this team is very good and stock rises.  Great W.  I'm not sure how I would have handled that gme ending in a loss.  Very weird last 4 minutes (wtf, refs and us doing some screwy things with the ball).

GO BLUE.

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March 3rd, 2013 at 7:29 PM | How was that even close (Score:1 Normal)
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We were so obviously the better team all game. Refs were fucking us, but beyond that why can't this team close. Not to be buzz killington, but it sucks to lose or nearly lose when you outplay a team for 90% of the gam like today and against msu.

BILG

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March 3rd, 2013 at 7:34 PM | 0 fer 12 from the three. (Score:4 Normal)
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0 fer 12 from the three. That's why we didn't blow them out. If we hit about forty-five percent (which we have done before) we go up by 12-15 points.

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March 3rd, 2013 at 8:22 PM | If we hit 45% from three (Score:1)
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We would have won by 16 actually, unless on any of those misses we got an offensive board and scored. That said, I would have simple liked to have been 3 out of 12 maybe and win by ten. Seems like a nice round number for the land of make believe here.



Also, I don't think we out roughed them...I think we played tough enough to beat them and their ilk, and tough enough to play our game.



That bit of life and All the points in the paint and scoring in the set offense was a very very good sign for march.

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March 3rd, 2013 at 7:49 PM | Outplayed them 90% of the game? (Score:-1 Flamebait)
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What game were you watching. It was fairly even if not actually tipped to MSUs favor. It was a grinder game that we won despite not having our best defender and best shooter for the final 3 minutes.

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March 3rd, 2013 at 7:29 PM | CARIS LEVERT TO THE STARTING (Score:5 Normal)
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CARIS LEVERT TO THE STARTING LINEUP

3-3-5 til the day I die y'all

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March 3rd, 2013 at 7:33 PM | Agreed (Score:2 Normal)
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He should start over Stauskas the canadian learns how to defend.

"We want the Big 10 championship. And we’re going to win it as a TEAM"

 

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March 3rd, 2013 at 7:52 PM | I'm not going to take it THAT far... (Score:0 Trolling)
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But LeVert should start. Stauskas right now is a "specialty" player. Bring him off the bench when you need some instant offense.

I'd also sub him for THJ more than LeVert, I think Stauskas is better when he's one of the 2 scorers on the floor. Just not enough touches for #3 unless #3 is a post player (and he's obviously not).

They're all going to have to play together, but use him like Ray Allen and the Heat. Bring him off the bench for Wade, then Wade for LeBron, then all 3 play at the end of the half/game.

Only difference with Stauskas late in the half/game is that I'd do automatic offense/defense subs with LeVert.

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March 4th, 2013 at 10:17 AM | I'm not going to take it THAT far... (Score:1)
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But LeVert should start. Stauskas right now is a "specialty" player. Bring him off the bench when you need some instant offense.

I'd also sub him for THJ more than LeVert, I think Stauskas is better when he's one of the 2 scorers on the floor. Just not enough touches for #3 unless #3 is a post player (and he's obviously not).

They're all going to have to play together, but use him like Ray Allen and the Heat. Bring him off the bench for Wade, then Wade for LeBron, then all 3 play at the end of the half/game.

Only difference with Stauskas late in the half/game is that I'd do automatic offense/defense subs with LeVert.

“True loyalty is that quality of service that grows under adversity and expands in defeat. Any street urchin can shout applause in victory, but it takes character to stand fast in defeat. One is noise — the other, loyalty.”

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March 3rd, 2013 at 7:29 PM | wheeeee (Score:1)
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I'm very happy after that.  That's great.  I'm tired.  I'm gonna go pass out and wake up before the highlights on the news later.

Oh man, we won that game.  We won that game!

aaaaahh

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March 3rd, 2013 at 7:30 PM | Play defense like that and (Score:4 Normal)
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Play defense like that and not have a bunch of hyper athletic rebounding freaks on the other team and we're dangerous.  So please do that.

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March 3rd, 2013 at 7:41 PM | Adreian Payne was the only (Score:2)
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Adreian Payne was the only hyper-athletic rebounding freak, but I can see where you were fooled because he seemed like more than one person at times.

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March 4th, 2013 at 12:04 AM | Dawson's pretty athletic, (Score:2)
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Dawson's pretty athletic, too.  And Nix, while not particularly athletic, is just huge.

 

 

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March 3rd, 2013 at 7:31 PM | Great Win!!! (Score:2 Normal)
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0/12 from 3, and still beat a Top 10 team,  Incredibly ugly, but I'll take it!!

 

"Slappin' the Bass" - Matt Vogrich (maybe)

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March 3rd, 2013 at 7:35 PM | 11 steals help make up for (Score:1)
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The 0 for 12 from 3 point

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March 3rd, 2013 at 7:37 PM | I'm no expert, but it looked (Score:2)
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I'm no expert, but it looked like some good defense getting played.  Definitely were physical, and that was nice to see.

Maybe I'm way off base here, but is it possible that one of the reasons Michigan does not "out-physical" State is because they are well coached enough to inately know what level of physicality should be a foul?  It's a perfectly valid criticism to say that the team should be coached to play at the level of physicality allowed by the particular officiating crew, but in some ways good coaching and repetition in practice would probably get some of the players thinking twice about playing MANBALL on the hardwood.

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March 3rd, 2013 at 7:31 PM | I would appreciate an indepth (Score:5 Normal)
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I would appreciate an indepth discussion about how much Sparty can suck it.  

My two cents:  A LOT

There are no corners in space.

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March 3rd, 2013 at 7:32 PM | Can someone post a video of (Score:5 Normal)
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Can someone post a video of the floor slapping series from offense to defense? That was awesome.

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March 3rd, 2013 at 7:32 PM | Cannot believe we didn't at (Score:2)
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Cannot believe we didn't at least try for a 2-for-1 in a tie game when we got the ball with 50-ish seconds left.  I'm not saying to force it if it isn't there, but you at least gotta try imo.

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March 3rd, 2013 at 7:33 PM | Another Michigan win (Score:5 Normal)
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and yet sadly, no player has yet to run into Izzo five feet onto the court like I so badly wish to see before I die.....

I don't care who wins, as long as it's Michigan.....

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March 3rd, 2013 at 7:34 PM | there is always the Big Ten (Score:2 Normal)
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there is always the Big Ten tourney! Don't give up hope!

"You have enemies? Good. That means you've stood up for something, sometime in your life." - Winston Churchill

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March 3rd, 2013 at 7:49 PM | I'm in my 20s (Score:3 Normal)
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so hopefully there's more than that, plus I'd honestly settle for Crean.....

I don't care who wins, as long as it's Michigan.....

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March 3rd, 2013 at 8:28 PM | If it ever happens (Score:5 Normal)
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I hope that it is McGary.

"I hate losing more than I like winning." - Zack

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March 3rd, 2013 at 8:48 PM | David Merritt jumps in (Score:3 Normal)
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from calling the game on tv is my bet.....

I don't care who wins, as long as it's Michigan.....

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March 3rd, 2013 at 7:33 PM | How much did no Stauskas (Score:3 Normal)
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How much did no Stauskas affect shooting like poop, but conversely how much did it affect the sudden I can ha defense? These questions are nt rhetorical, by the way.

"I just hope Tressel doesn't fire me"

-Gordon Gee

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March 3rd, 2013 at 7:33 PM | THJ (Score:3 Normal)
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THJ deserves some praise after today's game. I know he didn't shoot well, but many of those were tough luck misses around the hoop, if 3 or 4 of his layups don't roll off the rim this would have been a completely different game. Despite his struggles on the offensive end he played strong defense all game and rebounded the ball well. He's too good of a shooter to fall into a prolonged slump, but the rest of game was really solid today.  Great win. Go Blue!

 

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March 3rd, 2013 at 7:33 PM | wow beilein opened up his (Score:-1 Overrated)
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wow beilein opened up his playbook or he stop letting al borges call his offense.    The big men played today, they were not timid out there.  But the refs got to let these kids play basketball.  

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 What you gonna do when hokemania RUNS wild over you?

 

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March 3rd, 2013 at 7:35 PM | great game today (Score:-1 Flamebait)
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great game today

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 What you gonna do when hokemania RUNS wild over you?

 

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March 3rd, 2013 at 7:33 PM | THJ (Score:1)
Hoosierine
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THJ deserves some praise after today's game. I know he didn't shoot well, but many of those were tough luck misses around the hoop, if 3 or 4 of his layups don't roll off the rim this would have been a completely different game. Despite his struggles on the offensive end he played strong defense all game and rebounded the ball well. He's too good of a shooter to fall into a prolonged slump, but the rest of game was really solid today.  Great win. Go Blue!

 

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March 3rd, 2013 at 7:34 PM | First thought: Well, it's (Score:2)
Mmmm Hmmm
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First thought: Well, it's good to get a W.

Second thought: I'm not a big fan of criticizing the refs, but in fairness, there were some pretty poor calls. Ugh.

Third thought: Hide your couches...and some in East Lansing might very well do worse than Rick James.

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March 3rd, 2013 at 8:09 PM | I hate this let the kids play attitude. (Score:1)
85Lee
Joined: 12/07/2011
MGoPoints: 127

It is getting out of hand and almost always leaves the refs in a bad spot at the end of a close game. Do they tighten it up because of the situation or do they continue to let them kill each other. I don't like the ticky tack fouls, but kids are not getting rewarded for taking the ball to the rim. Instead they are forced to pull some circus shot out of their a$$.

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March 3rd, 2013 at 11:18 PM | i just hope that they got all (Score:1)
caliblue
Joined: 11/02/2008
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i just hope that they got all that foul calling out of their system before the Indiana game. At Indiana all teams have to beat the refs as well as Indiana. It seems we will not get the same benefit. 

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March 3rd, 2013 at 7:35 PM | What is everyones thoughts (Score:1)
B-Nut-GoBlue
Joined: 09/30/2011
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What are everyones thoughts on Stauskas not playing? 

I hate to be down on a good kid and an injured one at that, but as for this team performing well on defense like they needed to do -and did- I was glad LeVert got so much playing time along with us going two bigs a few times.  The way he's been shooting threes hasn't been worthy of the amount of playing time he's gotten as his defense leaves much to desired.  Hope he's okay though and didn't suffer any type of concussion or something along those lines.

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March 3rd, 2013 at 7:45 PM | He had 12 stitches (Score:2)
Shaqsquatch
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from that elbow, and with a hit to the head that hard they were probably monitoring him for a concussion.

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March 3rd, 2013 at 8:33 PM | I hope it isn't serious. (Score:2 Normal)
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We are going to need him.

"I hate losing more than I like winning." - Zack

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March 3rd, 2013 at 8:45 PM | Why?  He plays Matador D and (Score:-1 Offtopic)
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Why?  He plays Matador D and he hasn't shot well since B1G play started.

Chaos is found in greatest abundance wherever order is being sought.  It always defeats order because it is better organized. 

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March 3rd, 2013 at 11:18 PM | That said I hope he recovers (Score:1)
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That said I hope he recovers quickly and is not concussed. That elbow had to have hurt and I fell badly for him.

Chaos is found in greatest abundance wherever order is being sought.  It always defeats order because it is better organized. 

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March 3rd, 2013 at 7:34 PM | Purdue just Wisconsin AT THE (Score:3 Normal)
kehnonymous
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Purdue just Wisconsin AT THE KOHL, and we're gonna have to go to their place to play, so we better wear our big boy pants for this one.

Former Buckeye Antonio Pittman on being a poster child for compliance: "This osu tattoo stuff is silly. Cats been getting hookups on tatts since back in '01."

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March 3rd, 2013 at 7:35 PM | God Bless Trey Burke (Score:1 Normal)
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Give is going to give me a heart attack, but I'll take it.

I thought Michigan got back to playing Michigan Basketball. They played with energy all game and really fed off the crowd.

Positives:
---Trey Burke over everybody.

---McGary gave us GREAT minutes.

---Morgan was in this game.

---Michigan FINALLY...FINALLY matched its opponents toughess. This to me was the biggest difference in this game vs. most of those games in March. We were too soft. I think having "little brother" come to your house after waxing you 3 weeks ago was the perfect recipe. We went toe-to-toe and took it to Sparty.

Negatives:
---Execution late in the clock...we still can't get anything out of this ISO that Burke loves to run. For all of the love Burke is getting now (and deserves) he was quickly turning into the goat late in the game with the turnovers, bad shots, and poor execution. Obviously he settled back down and game up with 2 of the biggest plays we'll ever see.

---Still not enough "2 Big" offense. You'd think with Nix and Payne, we'd go with 2 of the Morgan/McGary/Horford trio more...but we still don't go to this NEARLY enough. When we did, we extended a 6 point lead to double figures. Then we went back to "1 Big" and MSU climbed back into the game. We're so much bigger, tougher and a much better rebounding team with 2 of the 3 in the game. Obviously with GRIII you can't do it all game, but we still don't go to this enough.

---Not subbing McGary out after the Payne make. It's a made free throw, we should've subbed 1. to allow Burke to gather everyone and get an inbounds play to a guard. 2. to get McGary out. Someone on the bench has to be sending the guards in at this point.

All in all, a GREAT win. Michigan stays perfect on its home floor as well. Crisler has quickly become a VERY tough place to play.

I thought the MSU floor slapping was cute, but I think the woke a giant and that could seriously be something that turns our season around and gets us back on track. Everyone knows what the issue was. We had no energy, no toughness, no fight. MSU slapping the floor was exactly what we needed. That fire, that passion, that "f**k you, NOT IN MY HOUSE!"

GO BLUE!

“True loyalty is that quality of service that grows under adversity and expands in defeat. Any street urchin can shout applause in victory, but it takes character to stand fast in defeat. One is noise — the other, loyalty.”

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March 3rd, 2013 at 7:49 PM | No way to know he is going to (Score:-1 Offtopic)
Lhbradley25
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No way to know he is going to make the free throw, if it's a miss I don't want little guys trying to beat a team who got 17 offensive rebounds on us and give up an easy put back

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March 3rd, 2013 at 7:56 PM | What are you talking about? (Score:0 Normal)
Mr. Yost
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If it's a miss...you can't sub, it's a live ball and the clock is running.

If it's a miss...Albrecht and whoever else you were going to put in just walk back to the bench.

It was the 2nd free throw. You definitely don't sub after the 1st...because if it's a miss, you want your bigs in the game to get the rebound.

“True loyalty is that quality of service that grows under adversity and expands in defeat. Any street urchin can shout applause in victory, but it takes character to stand fast in defeat. One is noise — the other, loyalty.”

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March 4th, 2013 at 10:19 AM | What are you talking about? (Score:1)
Mr. Yost
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If it's a miss...you can't sub, it's a live ball and the clock is running.

If it's a miss...Albrecht and whoever else you were going to put in just walk back to the bench.

It was the 2nd free throw. You definitely don't sub after the 1st...because if it's a miss, you want your bigs in the game to get the rebound.

“True loyalty is that quality of service that grows under adversity and expands in defeat. Any street urchin can shout applause in victory, but it takes character to stand fast in defeat. One is noise — the other, loyalty.”

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March 3rd, 2013 at 7:35 PM | No Nik. No THJ scoring. No (Score:4 Normal)
htownwolverine
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No Nik.

No THJ scoring.

No 3's.

No traveling.

Valentine and his terribleness.

Yet we win when we played HARD. This team has serious talent and can over come a lot when we play with passion. That's what makes watching them so frustrating.

Who is Jon Falk?
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March 3rd, 2013 at 7:41 PM | Well said.  Amazing that (Score:2 Normal)
B-Nut-GoBlue
Joined: 09/30/2011
MGoPoints: 1679

Well said.  Amazing that without all you mentioned, they CAN compensate by just playing their asses off. 

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March 3rd, 2013 at 7:36 PM | We beat MSU (Score:5 Normal)
dmblue
Joined: 03/12/2009
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BUT NOTHING BEATS AN ASTRONAUT

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March 3rd, 2013 at 7:52 PM | Trey Burke must be an (Score:3 Normal)
Mmmm Hmmm
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Trey Burke must be an astronaut.

EDIT: According to A2_electricboogaloo's avatar, so is Zach Novak.

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March 3rd, 2013 at 7:37 PM | Love to get the W, especially (Score:2)
russale2012
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Love to get the W, especially when its over Little Brother, but it makes the Penn State loss, and especially the Wisconsin loss, hurt even more. I know freak losses like that happen every year in college basketball, but we would never have lost either of those games.

It's been a lot. Its been a roller coaster that for some reason seemed like it would never get good. But you know what? We kept fighting. It's like that old saying goes, "Those Who Stay Will Be Champions." -David Molk

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