I don't really like the Big Chill jerseys, and don't like these either, but the idea might be to have a ton of maize that really pops under in the lights (and in HD).
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I don't really like the Big Chill jerseys, and don't like these either, but the idea might be to have a ton of maize that really pops under in the lights (and in HD).
Not liking it. I might have been fine with the arm stripes and the M on the front but not sure whats with the antiquing on the front and back.
for some reason, but whatever. I have seen worse, and it will be interesting to see something other than the regular home jerseys on them.
Not really sure how I feel about the jersey yet... it will probably grow on me
I don't really like these at all. However, I'm not the target market. What does the younger set think?
Like the Big Chill jerseys, I think these look horrible, and I'm a senior at U-M. I know it's a one-time deal, but they look horrible.
tOSU throwback jerseys. I can live with these for a game. But I don't understand why we have to change the jerseys just for a night game. Maybe ND will wear green jerseys... that's always good for opposing teams.
Aren't they required to wear white as the visiting team?
that for special games, both teams can wear home jerseys.
In hockey (no idea about football but the rule is logical) both teams can wear any colors, with the home team getting first pick and the away team is required to wear a different color than the home team. By that logic ND could wear green.
This is the same in Football now. As long as the colors are contrasting either team can wear whatever they want. Home team gets first pick, and I believe the visiting team needs their permission to wear something that's maybe not quite as contrasting as white.
the rule changed a few years ago. Originally the road team was required to wear white for black-and-white TVs, only way to tell the teams apart. USC and UCLA wanted to go back to their Red-on-Blue games and so a few years ago (2008?) the road team (UCLA?) wore blue, was docked 1 first half time out at the start of the game, and the home team (USC?) took a time out at the start of the game to make it even. The next offseason the NCAA said that the road team has to wear white, unless both parties agree to wearing colors, has to be approved by someone (NCAA or Conference) and a couple other stipulations.
I've always thought Blue vs. Red would be cool with OSU, I don't know if our normal home Blues and ND's Greens would be too close to go color-on-color
EDIT: Found Uniwatch's column about the USC/UCLA game from 2008:
ARTICLE 3. a. of the NCAA football rules states, “Players of opposing teams shall wear jerseys of contrasting colors, and the visiting team shall wear white jerseys.” However, Carroll indicated he would be willing to lose two timeouts during the game (one per half) so that the USC team could wear their dark jerseys for today’s game. But through
the grace of God some common sense by the NCAA Rules Committee, andthe cooperation of new UCLA coach Rick Neuheisel, the Trojans will only lose one timeout, and the color vs. color of yesteryear is renewed.
"But I don't understand why we have to change the jerseys just for a night game."
Simple: $$$. A lot of people will buy these jerseys despite how ugly they look. It's an opportunity for money.
for opposing teams. It's the fact that they get to play Notre Dame that leads to the win.
I am going to be a senior at Slippery Rock, and I must say, I like these. Im not in love with these jerseys, but given the whole scenario with it being the first night game against ND,and everything else going on that night, I think it is appropriate to rock some kind of throwbacks. It definitely is something different, but I think it is a good idea. I am in the pro all-whites, all-blue, all-maize camp, so naturally I am in favor of these jerseys. With all that being said, I would not be upset if they dont end up wearing these, just as long as they wear some type of throwback, or all maize! I kid I kid. The Mgoblog world is not ready for all maize. lol
I need the burn it with fire gif now!
Please God let this be a joke.
This is a Horrible, Horrible idea.
David Brandon I beg you not to let these "things" see the field.
This is MICHIGAN damn it! We make fun of schools that do this kinda shit. Just because it looks like it has a chance of actually happening doesn't mean we should accept it. It looks like a roller-derby / Arena league football jersey. Hell, who am I kidding, Arena League jerseys look better.
It will be a travesty if the first night game in Michigan history is scarred by these jerseys.
Didn't Brandon wear 85? If so, that would be very telling.
Can they also play with leather helmets and a roundish football?
First impression was wtf is up with those sleeves? I do think it is cool to see them wearing something different for the game. Cant wait for that night game!
Did we ever even wear jerseys like these? I can't find any pictures...
That was my first thought. Did UM ever wear anything like that? And, will the Block M be in lieu of numbers on the front? I find that hard to believe.
The Freep article says that a small jersey number will be added on the front, above the Block M and opposite the Adidas logo.
The NCAA specifies numbers on both the front and the back, of a definite (large) size. I posted the citation previously; I can't recall the rule number right now. I think we'd need a waiver. And, if you're getting a waiver, why put little-bitty numbers on?
Edit. - Woooooops. Somebody already posted the correct Rule, just below...
They're not terrible but how are the pants going to look? It's hard to guage on this picture. At least we don't have players modeling them like Sparty.
So, is this a really bad and late April fools day joke?
with the full throwback helmet and pants... but I've always been into the retro stuff, and quite frankly, I'd give this a B+. As far as throwback apparel.
Any other school would probably be thrilled with that grade, but this is Michigan. The home jersey is a timeless A, so this is still a step down.
But I think it could've been much worse...
After staring for a few more minutes, I will say this-- I'd love to see the rest of the numeric set. Chain stitching or not, I think the numbers look great, actually.
As far as the front, we've all been used to looking at football jerseys the same way for decades now. Numbers in front, numbers in back. Any time you depart from that template, it's just gonna look weird. I think it'll be really strange on TV to see the entire OL lining up with a block M on their chests.
My curiosity got the better of me, so I sold my soul and clicked through to the story. One interesting nugget is that someone claimed there would also be small numbers on the LC opposite the adidas logo. Think the Lightning or the new Sabres sweaters. So at least the numbers will be on there, but actually that'll make it look even less like a football sweater, and more like a soccer kit or something.
It'll definitely be different, but it does marry new technology with historical aesthetics. Whether or not the fan base will accept that is another story, of course.
As an ice hockey official, my curiousity was piqued by not having any numbers on the front because there are specific guidelines for what you can and cannot do with respect to name and numbers on a jersey.
So I went to the NCAA rulebook and found Rule 1-4-4-f on page FR-33. It states:
"Clearly visible, permanent Arabic numerals on one jersey at least 8 and 10 inches in height front and back, respectively, of a color(s) in distinct contrast with the jersey."
Based on this, the numbers on the front need to be at least eight inches in height, and therefore we can (hopefully!) assume those will not be the jerseys we wear.
Aside from the rules, those are the most God-awful jerseys I've seen, maybe ever. I'd rather use highlighter yellow socks before wearing those. Hopefully those jerseys are just the result of some idiot Freep staffer's 10-second search on google.
I'd like to believe that Adidas just provided that to the freep to screw with them and will be revealing the REAL design at another time. Or, this is going to be a replica-only design for consumer consumption.
I'm a fan of throwbacks, but I'd like them to actually throwback to something. Olde Tymey-inspired crap doesn't cut it for me. Its like buying a faux vintage thrift store t-shirt new at Old Navy or something.
judgement on these jerseys. I want to see what the full kit looks like. What are the pants, socks, shoes gonna look like. I'm willing to bet that the socks will be striped to match the jerseys with the pants being a solid color.
I just threw up in my mouth a little bit. Why does Adidas suck so bad?
will already really tie strongly into the helmet, especially from the back. I think if they had striped socks it'll be waaaaaaay too much.
Excuse me while I clean my coffee off my keyboard. Have you seen Nike's attempts at "throwback" jerseys?
Look no further than 2010
As much as I dislike it, that actually was a throwback.
What I don't understand, however, is the backlash at Adidas. Our "throwback" jersey, without a doubt, was not solely designed by Adidas. The athletic department was most certainly involved.
It's not the jersey alone that has made me feel that way. Personally, I just have not cared too much for the majority of the apparel they have produced. I will give it a chance and pass final judgement when I actually see it under the lights. My initial reaction though was a slight vurp.
... legofy the jersey onto Lego Martevious? Please?
It's because we've gone from Maize and Blue to Highlighter Yellow and Blue. Adidas has produced just some awful gear for U of M.
to suggest that "adidas" has driven the move to "highlighter" Maize.
We've been going in the direction, gradually, of brighter and brighter Maize for 30 years or more, most particularly before and during the Nike contract.
90's "Maize"- Nike:
00's - More Nike "Maize":
10's - adidas "Maize":
Nike maize looks pretty bright to me.
I can personally vouch that we were highlighter maize in 1982, and I'm sure it wasn't new then.
I want to take this time to say that, when you aren't going on about anti-RR conspiracies, you are a really interesting poster.
Hey...that game will never have happened as of a few months from now
Yes, because all those throw back Nike jerseys are so awesome. Like them or hate them it has little to do with adidas. They copied an old Uni, the one that UM picked out.
Edit: thanks for the visual rbgoblue.
Good god, man. What in the hell is that?
The Big Chill jerseys they sold were terrible quality and had the stupid Arby's logo on it.
This is the ugliest damn thing ever. Shit, the Nike Pro Combat abominations might be better looking than this.
JUST USE THE REGULAR JERSEYSSSS
WTF is that? Throwback? Looks more like throw up to me.
I knew it wouldn't happen, but I was hoping they would just unveil the regular uniforms and say "We've been using the same uni for 7000 years, bitches!" and be done with it. What is this a throwback to?!
That design is making my eyes sore.
Gag me. Those are awful. I really don't understand the fascination with throwback jerseys. If we are going to throw back at all, they should go back no further than Bo (isn't 40 years enough at this point?) and maybe put some stickers on those helmets.
Otherwise, quit turning what will obviously be a great game on its own merits into a frickin' costume ball.
and our "throwbacks" will be 1991 throwbacks celebrating Desmond Howard beating ND with the diving catch :)
... Oregon's been wearing ugly-as-shit uniforms full-time for like 7 or 8 years now, and recruits have been FLOCKING there*. I actually think this would be a good thing -- recruits don't want to go somewhere that always just does the same old shit, they want to go somewhere that's edgy and DGAF what the rest of the world thinks. Either way, the most important thing is that we win the game.
*Though possibly and hopefully for other (illegitimate) reasons
Have you seen our recruiting class lately? I know what you mean, but I would hope that changing jerseys every game would factor in at less than 1% when it comes to things that sway a recruit to sign for a given school.
but it's a way for us to make ourselves stand out get some extra attention. And I'll repeat that the most important thing for us to do is win the game -- if we don't do that, it doesn't really matter what we wear. Personally I think it'd be badass if we wore those hideous things and still won -- it sends a message along the lines of "we can wear this stuff and still look awesome because we're that damn good" -- but that might be just me.
Obviously at the end of the day uniforms don't mean much to a recruit, but like I said, it's a good way to get some attention (as long as we win).
Don't confuse this with being heaped with Nike gear, they're not even in the same ballpark.
Are you farking kidding me?
As others have said, what the hell? It does look like a soccer jersey.
I really don't like throwbacks.
modern better for a reason!
The stripes are horrible. The rest looks good though.
Turrible, just turrible.
1) The cross stiching on the numbers is very "retro"... but I'm pretty sure seamstresses in the day could sew on numbers without blue thread running across the entire width of the letter
2) The jerseys I think they're trying to emulate (not copy, emulate) are the Fielding Yost "M sweaters" as seen in the photo immediately below:
You can see the block M on the front and what may be striping on the shoulder areas, but I don't think the "M sweaters" were ever actually jerseys. And if that's the case, then we shouldn't have the winged helmets either since Crisler brought those to michigan, not Yost. (although I wouldn't mind a Yost like "point a minute" whipping of ND that night). The artwork below I think better captures the actual jersey history (credit: http://blog.heritagesportsart.com/2010/08/university-of-michigan-football-uniform.html)
althought I do think the 1964 "maize" jersey is incorrect as pointed out in a previous MVictors post.
Personnally I'd go with the early 70's style with the big long numbers, the white hip pads sticking out, white socks and maybe numbers on the helmets. But if you really wanted to go different, they should have gone with the 1891 design... beige sleeveless with a block M on the heart locale, with maize & blue striped long sleeves, brown leather-esque helmets with the "wing" design in a slightly offset brown
i like the 1940's vintage. Plain blue long-sleeve jerseys (although probably too hot in september long sleeves) with no adornments, just the maize numbers. Then again, that might really just mean that the only differences between the current and throwback jerseys would be (1) no shoulder numbers; (2) no name on back; and (3) slightly different color maize - ie, less highlighter yellow - for pants/jersey/helmet. It'd be subtle, but also speak to the relative timelessness of our uniform designs.
That would have been my design choice as well. That, or replace the bizare shoulder stripes on this one with the rugby stripes and give the team athletic faux-suede or brown vests with the M to wear in team pictures to emulate the look.
David Brandon wants more of your money. I'm not surprised. I hope I am right about his true passion being in politics, and I hope he leaves to run next year. If he doesn't, there is a very good chance that Michigan Stadium is going to look like a rather large minor league baseball park someday.
Right? I am getting a little annoyed with how many of is quotes directly state that we are doing things just for money. I know the man has a department to run--and fund--but I don't want to see how the sausage is made.
This type of jersey you either love or hate. I love it, and think most young people will too.
f. Numerals. Clearly visible, permanent Arabic numerals on one jersey at
least 8 and 10 inches in height front and back, respectively, of a color(s)
in distinct contrast with the jersey. All players of a team shall have the
same color and style numbers front and back. The individual bars must
be approximately 1-1/2 inches wide. Numbers on any part of the uniform
shall correspond with the mandatory front and back jersey numbers.
My point here is that these jersey's aren't even legal per the NCAA's regulations, although the images provided may have just been that of replicas intended to be sold to the public. There can be no large block M on the front of the jersey and there must be numbers which meet the requirements posted above. There are more rules that indicate that any insignia may not be more than 16 square inches in area.
This. I was going to look that up, because I was pretty sure that it's a requirement, but thanks for saving me the time.
WE DONT EVEN HAVE THROWBACK JERSEYS!! Those are ugly as shit, and we never even wore jerseys like that. Isnt that the point behind our jerseys? Tradition?
Frankly, you want more maize, I would have simply gone back to the 1964 maize background jersey.
that would look very West Virginia, no?
(Of course then it wouldn't be DB's or Adidas' fault, it would be Rich Rod's fault /s)
Here's my take: if the current players want to wear them and like them, who gives a shit what we think? Yeah, they may look ugly in this picture but it's just that: a picture. Relax.
I know I am the minority here, but I actually like them. My feeling was not immediate, however, after pondering it for a little while, they have grown on me. As long as they don't mess with the helmet and have solid color pants and socks, these will look sharp under the lights.
I was waiting to see when someone would say they like the jerseys. I like 'em too. I think they have potential if the rest of the outfit complements them well.
Really hard to judge without seeing them over pads with the pants and helmet. My feeling is they might look pretty sweet.
They don't compare to our regular uniforms (obviously), but I like them way better than any Nike throwback I've seen, and way way better than the Nike futuristic robot crap.
The whole idea of "throwback" uniforms is kinda silly IME. Parts of those uniforms aren't even legal in the game anymore, to say nothing of the helmets. Take a look at the jerseys actually worn by teams of 100 years ago. They're more like sweaters. Tom Harmon's jersey is similar to today's style, but with longer sleeves. And, going back all the way to 1880, I can't find any photos with the stripes on the sleeves (that's not to say we never played an exhibition game with the San Quentin squad in the Victorian Era, but somehow, I doubt it).
I understand the desire for nostalgia, but for me, it never really works.
The Big Chill jersies grew on me for the novelty and because they weren't actually all that bad.
This is an historic game, to be sure, but it is still being played in the same stadium and its not like we've never had games go into night before. Sorry, but these are hideous and I have no intention of buying one. When in the world did we have stripes on the shoulders, anyway?
As long as we beat ND the uniforms could be made of old burlap sacks.
It's only one game. If they didn't go with something outlandish and eye-popping, then what would be the point in changing at all? Plus, how cool will it be when Denard takes off for a run and those striped sleeves blur together and turn green? He'll be full on camouflage with the turf, making him even harder to catch.
NEEDS MOAR BLAKK
Count your blessings.
While UM is all about tradition and remembering those who came before us, these jerseys do not pay any homage to them. They are an embarassment and lack any sort of semblance to jerseys past. Two thumbs way down.
There's partial homage paid to the 1891 team with the striped sleeves:
I thought throwback jerseys were supposed to recreate history, not rewrite it or create something new out of whole cloth. There really is no historical precedent for the jersey being shown in the Freep article. It looks like a rough combination of the 1891 uniform's stripiing along with a traditional block M letterman's varsity sweater.
Like others, I fully expected Michigan to adopt the 1960s look with numerals on the helmets and block M on the sleeves per Brian Kelly's description awhile back. It would have made sense seeing that ND's throwbacks are evidentally based on the uniforms the Fighting Irish wore in the early 60s.
I suspect some whiz kid Adidas marketing executive came up with a series of ideas for the throwback uniform. Obviously, David Brandon would have had to sign up for this and I have to wonder what he was thinking. The only thing that makes sense to me is he and Adidas felt that the throwbacks had to be very distinctive from the present day jersey in order to generate interest from the general fan base (and sales of the jersey itself).
I'll wait on any final verdict once the uniforms are formally unveiled, but my initial impression is "ugh". I know the UM hockey uniforms for the Big Chill had stripes on the shoulders and sleeves and the hockey helmets are based on the football team's--that looked worked okay. But it just seems to me that a combination of this jersey with the standard Michigan football helmet is going to be a bit much.
sell more throwback jerseys. The real purpose of throwback jerseys are to monetize the marketing potential; to extend the prossibilites of the brand-platform; to obtain better penetration of the existing market; and to make something totally irresistable for the homeys who already got six Michigan jerseys but will buy another if it is bling enough.
on Bentley, the stripes seem to come from the 1880's and 1890's:
1889 with stripes:
1894 with block M:
1899 stripes with vest over:
Yes they are ugly versus the purity of our home jerseys. But, if Notre Dame's are something historically similar, I think this is a pretty cool reference to the past for two programs with a very long history. Much better than a simple maize jersey.
Note the striped socks in the 1894 photo.
It also might make for a cool baseball sleeve length t shirt.
FWIW, I liked the Big Chill jerseys - the ones that the team wore, not the cheese ball bright yellow retail versions.
Those 1889 jerseys look like prison uniforms.
I could go for the long sleeve + block M look, though.
So why didn't the team all wear the same uniform back in those days?
Some are practice jerseys, or maybe you had to earn your stripes .........
I hate these jerseys
I am all set to make the trip from Arlington, Tx to A2 for this epic night of football. Everything about the game, hoopla, Desmond tribute, and such have only fueled my excitement. This is the one thing that just makes me cringe. I don't want to spend an entire night looking at these.
The game has so much with it, it doesn't need a uni change. It's going to be so annoying, b/c you know it's going to be harder to read player #'s. Just so awful.
And I do realize the point is to sell J's, and this is the perfect opp for that. But I never saw the sense in buying a throwback anyway - do you wear it to the next throwback game?
Please tell me this is a joke.
We're the last college in the universe to finally, FINALLY host a night game and THIS is what the players are going to wear?
Seriously ? I consider these Throw-Away jerseys.
C'mon DB ... remember, "This is Michigan", wtf is this as a part of tradition. Did Bo ever use a uniform as some form of incentive or trick ? uhhh No !
Send up the signal - Brady Hoke, please Save Us from this travesty !!!
Go Blue !
what kind of ugly jersey Adidas makes for ND. They've got some ugly throwbacks to work off of: http://onefootdown.fantake.com/2011/03/17/the-definitive-notre-dame-unif...
I think if we look better than ND, it might not be so bad. If they wear a better jersey than us on our own home turf though...well, at least we've got Denard right?
win the game
The players will look like friggin bumblebees!
on the chest and MOAR flames on the pants.
Holy shit these are the worst things I have ever seen. Possibly worse than the Process. Fire Dave Brandon pls.
Those are some ugly ass jerseys. No wonder they want to to show them off at night. I hope there is a power outage when they plan to do the unveiling.
WTF is this!
I'm so pumped for the ND game! I don't like the jerseys that much but the idea is good! So excited to see MIchigan Football back even if the jersey is kinda...ugly. :)
Are those jerseys f'n ugly. Please do not do it!
Go with the numbers on the helmet and call it a day.
Ehh not a fan, but what does my opinion matter? They will either do with these, something completely different, or keep our current modern jerseys.
Actually this whole thread missed the backstory.
These are NOT the retro jerseys we will wear. The Freep got confused.
These ARE Drew Sharp's pyjamas.
OK, so, relax.
Am I crazy, because I think these uni's are actually sweet. Neg me all you like.
Sorta, kinda, not really?
Is that Wil Wheaton?
On second thought, I kind of like them. It will be kind of cool to see a block M on the front without huge numbers, and whole the stripes may look weird right now I have a feeling that they will look good under the lights.
I'm going to reserve judgement til after I see them on a player. I have a neutral reaction as of right now.
If we went back to the 50s or 60s, those uniforms looked good! Looks like the last time Michigan football wore striped sleeves was in the 20s. We better keep Crislers winged helmets for this game!
adidas will take every opportunity to put a stripe on something..ugh.
adidas will take every opportunity to put a stripe on something..ugh.
I KNEW NIKE WOULD DO THIS DUMB GARBAGE, GIVING US PRO COMBAT UNIFORMS THAT MAKE LESS THAN ZERO SENSE! Oh wait, we're still with Adidas. Atleast that argument has officially died.
Please don't let those be what we wear.
for all the Michigan alumni in the league to drop a media firestorm on Brady Hoke for coming in and allowing our most sacred tradition to be sold out under his watch. He just comes into this job and changes everything? Doesn't he care about the MICHIGAN TRADITION? etc
I get your sarcasm / was going to post something like this myself. You probably should have posted with a /s
Clearly, we Michigan fans are an emotional lot when it comes to changing anything - even if the change is based on tradition from our own ancient past.
I don't like the Devner Bronco throwbacks either - but for just one game between the two most storied programs in college football - this will be OK. We'll live through it. It may even look really cool in the lights - especially with dreads.
am warming to it. Without seeing the entire ensemble it's not an easy call. DOES have an early football feel, and DOES invoke M's long tradition. Will be very curious about the helmets.
My thoughts on going back to old designs... there is a reason we don't wear that design anymore.
There is no design that will make everyone happy. Personally I think they look ok and at least they aren't blinged out like Oregon or tosu. They do resemble our jerseys from when we wore leather helmets with the block M on the front. It's one game, we just need to deal with it.
Maybe this is just an example of Dave Brandon getting back at the Freep.
I actually really like the stitching pattern. The stripes, not so much.
This release has all the makings of a classic Dave Brandon trial balloon ... floating it out there to see what the public thinks.
Just like "potentially" moving M-OSU and the tempest in a teapot that provoked?
If anyone associated with Michigan over the past three years "doesn't get it," it's Adidas.
"Well, it could be worse. Right?"
It's not that bad. At least we can see the players easily.
Is it at least bulky enough I can smuggle in my now contraband water under it?
Just dump the antiquing and add a small number centered under the V-neck on the front.
I also love Adidas. I feel obligated to say that because everytime it comes up on this board there is a ton of anti-adidas comments.
All blue pants with this uniform would look sweet.
Normal jerseys please?
Honestly, I like them, a lot. What vintage are they?
Don't like them. Not adverse to the stripes, but they should be smaller like the Big Chill jerseys.
Something doesn't work with the M on front and numbers on back.
Blah. Our current jerseys are throwback enough already.
It would be ok if there weren't stipes. It would be even better if we just wore the regular uniforms...
God help us all. And we were afraid of what Nike may do to our beloved uniforms.
The block M on the front is kind of cool, but I'm not a fan of the stripes.
There were no Michigan throwbacks that looked anything like this.
They are just being whores to sell new merchndise.
I can see going a few years back, but I would not be liking to see dinosoar age jersey's out there.
Brandon officially said today that those were not the throwbacks being used in the game.