but is there a link somewhere in our future?
Michigan still #1 for Damien Harris
So how can people say he's decommitted because we aren't winning enough, then he's considering Kentucky?
One could derive his utility curve for football, factoring in success (wins) and proximity to his home. Perfectly possible he constructed his utlity curve in such a way that Kentucky gives him more utility since he is close to home, even with sacrficing a few wins on the field
According to Sam Webb.
Gonna have to fight OSU and Kentucky, as well as other schools that he might want to visit.
How can you say you're a life long Michigan fan and then have OSU #2. Yeah, yeah 17 year old kid and all of that but it still doesn't make a lot of sense to me.
He's probably approaching the situation as a football recruit and not a fan. Plus he grew up in Kentucky and probably does not have a lot of personal experience with the rivalry.
Never let your heart alone make a business decision.
I thought the same thing. After thinking about it though, I'm more inline with his thinking. I mean, it's not like it's just a choice between UM and OSU. If that were the case and OSU was clearly the only better alternative I would agree with you completely.
The fact is though, Harris could likely go where ever he wants. When you factor that into the equation it does seem hard to believe that someone who is a lifelong fan of something would pick their archrival.
I agree that you wouldn't let your heart be the sole influence on a decision such as this, but it should always play some role in any decision, you just factor other things into it as well with varying degrees of weight, depending on the decision at hand. In this case Harris could choose another school (any other school in the country probably) that would give him a good chance at making the pro's and offer him a good "fit" that isn't his favorite teams rival.
Anyway, I guess everyone has a differnet degree of fandom and maybe his just isn't like mine (and many others on this site). That doesn't make him a bad person or even a bad fan for that matter. It does imply that he isn't quite as fanatical in his love for UM as many on here, which isn't necessarily a bad thing.
Because fandom shouldnt affect your personal success. Good thing there are no current UM players who grew up as OSU fans....
I'd think that growing up a Michigan fan would inflate your sense of the importance of OSU and other rivals on the national scene, no?
and how the glass appears to taper, it's more empty than not.
I like my vodka with ice and a mixer. The drink is not finished yet. Let the staff finish my Damien Harris.
The optimist sees the glass half full, the pessimist sees it half empty, the physicist sees it as completely full, half liquid, half gas.
are wondering what you put in the drink, what your motive is, and checking for cracks in the glass.
And the internet posters are all posting animated GIFs of the glass,then getting on some stupid tangeant about subs and the year 2014.
And Al Borges is theorizing ways he can best utilize it for run blocking.
Yes, the internet is both the greatest invention and worst invention.
Al Borges is saying the glass didn't execute to it's full potential.
I'd rather have him look now. The staff still has time to talk him into coming back along with Campbell. I have a feeling Harris will be back. Can't blame him for wanting to be sure. Seeing progress on the field will help.
Did he say we are still no. 1?
Of course, prospects that decommit rarely recommit to the same school, but this isn't a George Campbell situation where we aren't even going to get an official visit.
But Blackmon Jr, with Indiana in bball.
This isn't true. Kids end up at the original school a lot. Blackmon, Dawson, etc...
That kid from Cal or UCLA we offered at RB, can't remember his name at the moment.
#Michigan is still "very much #1" right now for Damien Harris per his mother: http://michigan.247sports.com/Article/Damien-Harris-Decommits-172629 …
I'd say he's looking for greener grass with another team, with all due respect to his mom.
Of course, Erma Bombeck titled one of her books, "The grass is always greener over the septic tank."
Now don't be a fucking idiot and go tweet at him.
Actually, just never tweet at recruits
Now don't be a fucking idiot and tweet.
while I agree that 'tweeting' to a recruit is stupid, this whole twitter thing is basically garbage.
As Magnus pointed out in another thread, if it wasn't for the recruiting guys retweeting userid's all over the place, most average Internet idiot wouldn't take the time to google it. But when the link is embedded in a retweet, it's just too easy for the idiots out there to take a gander and want to be a part of these kids' lives - for good and bad.
As Sam Webb pointed out as well, these recruits can't have it both ways either...you want the followers, you want people to react to what you post, etc, then don't get butthurt when these same masses turn against you...It's called the Internet. Its been around awhile, and anonymous posting is basically a 'troll free' card. Putting out a statement that says 'Mom says stop!'....geez, what do you think that'll do?
If anything, this just reinforces I need to stop following recruiting. Stop coming to boards like this, unless its the season. I graduated from U of M nearly 10 years ago now, it's hard to turn the fandom off, but geez...it's getting easier.
most decommits say that the school they just decommitted from is still #1 and they just want to look around. and that typically ends up being false.
But remember that we have a strict policy about our commitments not visiting other schools, so it could be true in his case. He could think we're #1 but wants to take a look around just in case.
Whether or not a recruit is on our commit list, our coaches most definitely have to re-recruit all of the current commits due to the new offensive coordinator and last year's record.
I'm hoping the de-commits of Harris and Campbell are along the lines of them committing to a program in which they thought was better than what showed on the field thus giving us a realistic chance at getting them back with a strong season.
This next season is probably one of the most important seasons in a long time with regards to long term recruiting success.
Kentucky is trying to run an Air Raid type of offense from the Hal Mumme era. It wouldn't make sense for Harris to go there.
He and his family have handled the situation with class. They obviously were very comfortable with Borges, and his departure has given them reason for pause. They didn't react suddenly when Borges was let go, they discussed it inside the family and felt this was best for them to re-open his recruitment. Damien is a Michigan fan, and more than anything else, needs to reassess his options, while getting to know Coach Nussmeier better. I think it's logical to think he'll be back, especially when considering the way the family is handling the situation.
Borges. Looking for a RB that loves Michigan ... please.
Kid has been looking since before Borges. Borges is the fall guy.
Before he committed, his coach asked Damien that if Michigan lost every game, would he still go to Michigan. Damien's response was yes, because Michigan had everything he wanted.
I'm not surprised by this news at all. All his communication post-Borges firing seemed to indicate this was coming. And as disapointing as his decommittment is I would still trade it 100 times over to get Nuss.
A great OC's impact on the team trumps a great running back each and every time.
To add to this, I would also say that Damien clearly wasn't as big a Michigan fan as he led on to be if Borges (a man who spent less than 5 years in the program) being let go gave him reason to question his commitment.
That's unfair to say. You don't know how big of a UM fan he is . Personal and coaching relationships are important and impactful. He has every right to take the time to build another relationship and see if UM is still a fit without it being inferred that he is or isn't a UM fan.
Maybe a bit crass, but not unfair. If I were a life long fan of a school, the offensive coordinator with little to no ties to the school leaving, would not affect me at all.
You can say that, but unless you are in that position you can't be certain. If you didnt think you could play for the coach of your lifelong favorite school, you probably would think twice about going there.
It's easy to say that when you don't actually have 50 schools offering you a free ride.
He is saying that - in spite of the fact that we just fired the guy instrumental in his recruitment - Michigan is his #1 school out of however many are offering him. We should not read any more into it than that.
If you let your personal biases affect your business decisions, you aren't going to be in business very long without lots of luck. I both expected, and respect this decision from Harris. I don't pretend to understand it, as I'm not him, or in his circle (don't see how so many internet geniuses seem to have it all figured out).
Respect his right to choose what's best for his future, even if we think he's making a mistake. It is not the job of the fanbase to play the role of advisor to random high school kids. I don't know what else to say.
I agree with you completely. Just look at Derrick Green. The number one running back in the country and how did he do this year? He couldn't make a difference because the guy overseeing the offense proved incapable of doing his job adequately.
At the end of the day no one player, no matter how good, can have the same influence on a program as a really good (or in contrast a really bad) coordinator can. We know a change had to be made and if Nuss proves to be the upgrade we all think he'll be, I'd take hiring him over anyone player in any recruitng class. To me it's that big of a deal.
I just don't understand why these kids commit to a coach over a school. Especially in the case that this kid has said Michigan has always been his favorite school. I feel like this might not be different from Campell because he is from Kentucky, and not Ohio or MIchigan.
This is just my own speculation because I get a feeling kids that say they love Michigan and don't live in the battlefield of the rivalry, probably don't have deep attachment to the school.
Me being from Ohio and having to deal with my family and friends bashing Michigan my whole life, has of course deepened my passion for the school. I know everyone is different. I try to put myself in these kids situations, and I could never see my self decommitting from Michigan, if given the opportunity to play there.
Because to you its just a school you love, and in their minds, the coach they play for will have a direct impact on their future financially.
That glass looks 100% full of air and water to me...unless it's in a vacuum, is it in a vacuum?
But is the air hot or cold? That is the question.
Has Coach Hoke visited Damien and his parents yet? He'll be back in the fold as soon as the family man visits.
I don't see this as being an issue and it's also why it's hard to get excited about kids committing before their junior years. They're likely going to feel strapped in and want to look around. Hard to blame a guy for seeing what happened this year and realize that the vision sold doesn't match with reality.
I'll hold out hope he comes back to the good guys, but, if not, next man up.
"There are, it has been said, two types of people in the world. There are those who, when presented with a glass that is exactly half full, say: this glass is half full. And then there are those who say: this glass is half empty. The world belongs, however, to those who can look at the glass and say: What's up with this glass? Excuse me? Excuse me? This is my glass? I don't think so. My glass was full! And it was a bigger glass!"
Too bad he's already started getting the twitter hate from Michigan fans. That can't help.
but, it sure would be a nice thing if Hoke+Nuss could get this guy back in the fold. IF not, please do not turn to the dark side and choose Them.
I read this thread title first and thought "WOO way to reconfirm his commitment Nuss!" And then I saw the thread title below.
I am disappoint.
If Michigan was still #1, there would have been no reason to decommit. It's pretty obvious that we're not.
Maybe he does know who he wants to marry, but he just wants to sleep around a little first.
He's still young, you know.
More and more players want to visit more schools these days and I dont blame them. Seeing your best fit is smart and we just changed coordinators. I think seeing the product on the field reaffirms his committment. After watching Alabama's offense this year its pretty clear that Nuss was the perfect hire for this team and I can't wait to watch this team, welcome 2014!
It was a little weird when he did commit. It came on the heels of the BBQ (which Damien did NOT attend), and George Campbell's committment. He had also recently visited OSU and said they were co-leaders in his recruitment. I think he got swept up in some excitement and possibly pressure (from peers, media...I don't know; pure speculation) to commit. I like how he is conducting his recruitment now and hope he can make a (better informed) decision before his next season without too many fans and media badgering him. Lets hope Nuss can show him that Michigan will be a place where he can succeed. I think losing Borges has less to do with it than many are speculating. I would hazard to guess that the inability to run the ball and win games was far more influential in Harris' decision.
"Michigan is still #1" = "But we can still be friends, right?"
I think it would have been a nice gesture if Hoke had rode along on the recent visit to Harris. Not sure if it would have made a huge difference though. When you chase after the high flyers, these things are bound to happen. Hopefully, Harris ends up at the place that fits best for him.
why did he formally decommit? As I understand the system, he still could look at other schools. Is it because of the Brady rule that if you visited other schools the Michigan offer will be withdrawn? Either way he still gets to scope out other schools.
Based on what I have read, I believe the glass should be only 10% full with a significant hole which is leaking.
The Hoke rules for commits is don't take visits. He left the class so he could take visits and make sure Michigan is riggt for him. I really don't see why this is a huge deal, especially guven that we are pretty deep at RB.
Let him do the process. Like Campbell, he could come back. Personally I think Harris will since he grew up a Michigan fan and Nuss is recruiting based on a ground and pound philosophy.
And call that glass half-empty.
Who are we, exactly, as a football program? We are NOT elite. We are NOT nationally competitive. Do we have the tools? Sure. But that doesn't change the fact that you have to have a staff that knows how to use them. Using a wrench when you need a hammer is ridiculous. Sure you might make it work, but that's not the most efficient way to work.
So when a kid makes an emotional commitment and then rationalizes it, it probably sounds something like this. Michigan went 7-6 this year, had THE HORROR Part 1 AND 2, lost to 2 out of 3 major rivals, lost to three other minor rivals, and tanked a low level bowl game. The year before that wasn't much better. The highlight of the season was losing to Ohio State without crapping the bed in the process. Then they fired the guy who was responsible for recruiting him. Yeah, I would re-evaluate my commitment too. Is anyone really surprised? How about we take a hard look in the mirror and try to see it the way these recruits do.
And if you have a Twitter account and you tweet a 16 year old kid you will never meet because you're pissed that he is weighing his options, you should be banished to Siberia. Forever.
- Think about something you do well.
- Imagine people exist that rank your performance against peers say you are elite, one of the ten best at this thing.
- Job offers flood in two years before your eligible to begin work.
- One offer stands out, a company you know well with a great reputation. Someone you trust has strong ties to a head honcho there.
- You go for an on-site interview, are blown away by the experience, and accept an offer on the spot two years before your start date. You learn that another top 10 guy signed up to start on same date. Amazing!
- Immediately you start getting contacted by company shareholders telling you how great you are. Odd that strangers are contacting you, but they are saying such nice things reaffirming your decision.
- Fast forward and after a promising first quarter, the company begins to struggle. Other companies are contacting you more frequently with offers equally if not more enticing. You research those companies. Stock prices soaring, scads of top talent signing up. Looking further, one company has outperformed yours 11 out of 17 times during your lifetime including 9 of the past 10. And now the two time reigning "company of the year" is showing interest.
- You stick with your decision, but the company's performance continues to decline. Once again they are outperformed by their biggest rival. Rumors begin circulating that the CEO may be in trouble, that your advisor's connection is on the chopping block. The other elite prospect who signed up with you suddenly backs out. He's looking at other companies closer to home; one is named company of the year shortly after.
- You are confused. Shareholders from all over are telling you what to do and how you should feel. The company close to home is telling you that you are the answer. And then it happens. Your chosen company fires the guys who most strongly connected you to them. They bring in a new guy who is very respected, but you don't know him. Your friends and family recommend you look around a bit. After all there's plenty of time. Rumors start circulating that you might be on the market again. Some stockholders at your favored company suddenly aren't being nice anymore. It all feels crazy.
- You call the company and tell them you are backing out. Not completely out, but you need time to reassess your options. You have many. You have time.
Not a perfect analogy*, but put in these terms, I can better understand what this young man is going through.
* Imagine if you got a job offer and started hearing from shareholders. Guessing most wouldn't like that.
I think it's a damn good one.
I don't really care if it's half full or half empty, I just want a damn refill.
I knew when Campbell committed followed by Harris, it wasn't going to end well. Just way too early in the process.
We may be #1 but unless he commits and doesn't take visits the schollie is up for grabs.
I'm not sure what you're getting at. He is the top guy for that scholarship; it would be a downgrade for any other running back to take his spot.
That he committed really early without taking a visit and didn't attend the BBQ is a warning sign that he got caught up in the moment.
I think he might be second-guessing himself and that's perfectly acceptable. As I recall from that age, a choice of colleges is like the biggest decision a kid has ever made to that point in his or her life and so it seems mountainous.
So I would like him to look around at other places. And in the meantime see what Mr Nuss has in store for us. I really like that he was a boyhood fan. That draw is quite powerful. I'd like to see Coach Hoke visit him personally as permitted by the rules. I'd like to see Damien take an official or unofficial visit to Ann Arbor and hopefully take in an actual game to see what the Big House is like in person.
In the end, if the college and recruit aren't a match then it was never meant to be. I will close with that we really love his mad skills on the field and if it ever comes down to a complete tie or draw between two schools.......your first answer is always your best answer.......8-) go blue
if the coaches talking with Damien thought it would have helped. Keep in mind that Hoke is the person who fired Damien's friend and favorite coach. Were I Hoke, I'd probably give the emotions around that fact time to settle down before I had any personal contact with Damien.
Bottom line is if we win 9-10 games next year, he'll be back. If we play like we did last year, he's gone. To get the attention of MOST 5 stars, you gotta win. He's curious...hopefully he'll be back.
His coach says Michigan is still #1 but Damien wants to be sure it's the right decision. The coach is upset about tweets from "Michigan Fans".
The more other schools hear this the more they will harass him. I wish someone could tell the coach and family it's a few people and may not even be from Michigan.
Because I have too few points? So someone should make a thread about Jayru Campbell bodyslamming a security guard at Cass Tech. http://deadspin.com/cops-michigan-state-football-recruit-body-slammed-secu-1507128898
Sparty 4 Life.