Michigan is the #2 Seed in the AP and ESPN polls but are the 10 ranked team in the RPI poll. So sort of makes sense. Even if it kind of hurts us in this situation.
Michigan Softball receives a #10 Nation Seed
find out this answer. Cal does not have a softball field on campus. I have been to Berkley several times and it is a very small campus.
I do not know where they play their games. Maybe it is at the local high school??? HS are playing their playoffs about now too. idk.
Two people named Levine and Frick would beg to differ.
One possibility is the capacity of 500 isn't enough for such an event (I don't know what the NCAA requires for softball). The second possiblity would be something having to do with construction on the football stadium, which is significantly reducing parking and access to that part of campus.
Well, there are 20 requirements for hosting an NCAA tournament event. A list of some possibilities that might keep Cal from hosting, looking at the picture--
* minimum 500 unobstructed-view seats (the link says 500 seats exactly, but if even 1 is obstructed view, that disqualifies them).
* Permanent restrooms on site for public use (port-a-johns do not fulfill this requirement).
* A covered press box.
* Parking for both teams and umpires.
* Locker rooms for the teams and umpires.
* Lighting to a minimum of 150 footcandles.
I suspect it's the last one keeping them from hosting. I see a few light towers, but they don't look sufficient to light the field for television. They didn't schedule any home night games this year--even their Friday games were played at 3 in the afternoon.
The Cal field looks like a High School JV field. 500 seats is unusual. I have been to Cal-Berkely several times and just now realized that this is the Varsity SB field and not the Club team field. What a shame because it is a beautiful campus.
There is also mention of the football stadium being under construction too so that might be a problem as well.
Anyway, it is good for us that they cannot host because we will get the Super if we win. That is all that matters because South Bend Wolverine needs to come home. He is in DC working on his PhD and wanted to some home for the Supers.
Not a big campus? I guess you've never been running late for a meeting on one side of it when your hotel is located on the other. Hilly, too, so in my case that was hello shin splints
very hilly. The Hayward fault is nearby as well so it is actively moving. One quake was centered 500 yards from the Football and Softball stadiums.
...how does the #2 team in the country get seeded 10th?
gets no respect. That is al.
We would host the super regional if we get there. If we play Louisville, we're 10 and they are not seeded. If we play Cal, although they are the higher seed, they can't host due to facilities issues.
Do you know who's in Ann Arbor Regional? It looks like they have a good shot of going to the CWS. Louisville is definitely a winnable super regional.
ND, KY and WMU
matcup. ND and Kentucky are 2 solid teams but Michigan should be able to handle them pretty well.
Looking at Louisville Regional, looks like Cal got jobbed big time by traveling from west coast to Kentucky. Louisville have the home field advantage and will have their crowd behind them.
put Louisville as the favorite in this situation. It is a long way from home for Cal.
I'm a softball noob, so forgive what may be a dumb question:
Is it common for the #2 team in the country to be ranked that low?
Michigan is 10th in RPI. Committee must go by that
many different factors including geography.
They don't use geography in ranking the top 16 teams, though. Those are "National" seeds. They do use geography in assigning teams to regionals, though, but not the national seeds.
The Primary Selection Criteria, from the tournament manual:
* Head-to-head competition
* Results (by RPI ranking)
-- record against ranked teams 1-25, 26-50, 51-100, 101-150.
-- average RPI win
-- average RPI loss
* Results versus common opponents
* Significant wins and losses
* End of season results.
Here is the tournament manual, with the selection criteria spelled out on pages 5-6. Again, there is no geographic consideration in ranking the top 16 teams. It is done purely by RPI and the other factors listed above.
#2 team in the country gets the 10th seed, easy, it's a Big Ten team.... UM has played NO ONE since they moved back up North. There is no love (for good reason) for Big Ten softball. It just isn't thought of very highly. Southern Bias of course.....
is that ESPNU is televising all games in AA. This is a nice twist.
Jessica Mendozza seems to like us in the tourney
I think your judgement is in question here.
Im old, half drunk and married. haha
I did qualify that with a "kinda"
If the Big 10 gets no love then Michigan shouldn't have been ranked #2 in the polls. I hope this lights a fire under the girls asses and they win it all.
not pitch vs WMU
Interestingly, if you go to NCAA.com and find the softball page, you can see a list of NCAA Div 1 RPI..... Michigan is #10 in RPI, Notre Dame #17..... So maybe the committee pulled a little Hockey "pairwise" type of ranking....
you did there. I doubt it though. It is geography based. I was hoping for a Louisville regional instead of a Tennessee regional.
The national seeds are selected based on the selection factors. Geography is not one of those factors. Teams are assigned to regionals based on geography as much as possible, but Michigan's #10 seed is based purely on the selection criteria.
certainly a factor. They could have put this game in Chicago or Jacksonville but knowing that Michigan is the other half of the regional, Louisville makes the most sense.
Then bring a west coast team to be the top seeded team rounds out the regional. I do not envy the TC at all. There are so many factors here.
All in all I think we have a great seeding. We just have to get past Cal.
What I was trying to say is that geography is not a factor in selecting the teams or in seeding them #1 to #16. Geography is a factor in selecting the hosts and assigning teams to the regionals, but it is absolutely not a factor in ranking them #1 to #16. That is why they are called "National Seeds."
I do agree that given the fact that #7 California could not play at home (because the do not have lights at their field), it made sense to play in Louisville because they were paired with #10 Michigan. However, the fact that California is #7 and Michigan is #10 has nothing to do with geography, but is a result of the committee's implementation of the selection criteria.
If California had ended up #8 instead of #7, and Arizona had ended up #7 instead of #8, Michigan would be paired with the winner of Arizona's regional. They don't change the seedings based on geography.
why they cant host. I looked up the stadium on Google Earth and it looks like light poles but maybe not. I would not be surprised if those hippies refused to have lights and waste all that energy for some as stupid as a softball game.
Agreed. National Seedings are not supposed to be based on geography. I would not be suprised if there was some "tweaking" based on geography.
I posted above; I think it's the lights, too. Looking at their schedule, they don't play any night games at home. Not even on Fridays, when a night game would be the natural choice. There are light towers in the picture, but I would question whether there are enough towers to properly light the field. It really looks like there is just enough lighting for security purposes, but not for batting against a 70 mph fastball.
I think UM got jobbed in the seeding process..they deserved at least a top 8 seed..unbeaten on the road, 2/3 of their games road or neutral games..UNLIKE many schools..beat ASU and AZ head to head and have the best record overall and #2 ranking in both polls...BUT...with Cal unable to host it all works out its as if we got the 7 seed after all..This SHOULD motivate UM I would think..getting no respect at all
Way OT, but I don't have enough points to start a thread. But it sounds like Terry Richardson is going to Alabama!
according to what?
he guaransheeds it. definitely true.
Michigan actually has a pretty tough regional. But, there are a few other regionals with tough match-ups [Texas, ULL, Houston, and Texas State]; [Florida and UCLA in #4]. A real cupcake regional is Arizona playing host to Texas Tech, New Mexico State, and Harvard (as the #8 seed).
Tennessee got hosed, but their regional (#14) looks easier than ours.
is still better than ND and Kentucky. It's in Ann Arbor so that should help Michigan. I expect Michigan to advance to Super Regional. I think Louisville will win their regional even though Cal is #7 seed. Michigan has a pretty decent path to CWS.
As long as JT pitch well, Michigan should have no problem crusing through the regional.
JT should be fine. We should take WMU in 5, then the second game would be 2:30pm. That is plently of rest. Then the finals are at 1pm. There is plently of downtime between each game.
Careful--if Michigan wins on Friday night, the second game will be Saturday at noon, not 2:30. We don't want people showing up at 2:30 Saturday and finding out that they missed the winners bracket game!
It could have been worse. Kentucky swept Tennessee this year and took a few from Florida so they will not be easy. ND is better than last year but we should take them.
We will host the Supers because Cal cant host.
Absolutely furious. I have been looking forward to coming back home to catch the super-regional for months, and I get screwed out of that by the committee. Absolutely. Furious.
sit down and have a beer. According to ESPN, Cal cannot host a Super anyway. So if Cal wins, they will travel to whoever wins our regional.
If we win and someone other than Cal wins, we get to host because we have a higher seed.
ESPN did not say why Cal could not host. Per my previous post, I could not find out why.
So if we win our regional we WILL host the Super per ESPN. Come one home brother and I will buy the beer.
Ahh, this is good news! This is why I shouldn't comment after midnight when I'm running on 5 hours of sleep. :)
Well, in that case, let's crush that regional and get our well-deserved super-regional. And a beer definitely sounds like a good idea!
The one other thing in the tournament brackets worth commenting on is Penn State. Not just the inclusion of Penn State over Illinois and North Carolina, which is questionable enough, but the fact that this team, who must have been one of the last at large teams selected (along with Memphis), actually gets to host, a privilege which is generally reserved for the top teams in each region.
On a whim, I decided to look up the members of the tournament selection committee. Sure enough, Penn State's coach Robin Petrini is on the 10-member committee who selected the teams and determined the hosts. I'm not saying, I'm just saying.
If I were North Carolina (#41 in the RPI and ACC tournament runners up) or Illinois (#37 in the RPI and 3rd place in the Big Ten), I would be questioning the inclusion of Penn State (#46 in the RPI and 4th place in the Big Ten), and I would be asking some questions about how the committee handled these discussions.
From the ultimatecollegesoftball.com website:
Easiest and hardest Regionals for the #1 seed to advance.