if we actually get Zettel, Bryant, Frost, and Lyons?
Michigan rises into Rivals' top 25 recruiting classes
yes. he's listed as a "soft verbal".
You're a soft verbal!!!
No seriously, I don't know what that was for. Must be my end of the workday Tourette's.
is one of the best fictional characters of all time. There is an art to being random, and Towelie is an example of absolute random perfection. Never have I laughed so hard as when a towel walked up to a group of boys and asked them if they wanted to get high.
Towlie is a junkie and needs an intervention to save his life so he can see his son, washrag. The scene of him giving an old man a hummer in a boathouse for cash almost got me fired at work. My boss spit coffee all over the breakroom and called me a sick son-of-a-bitch... then watched the rest of the episode.
we have a small class, so by rivals' ranking i bet we'd be around 17.
over the internet.
and we will go up even more
When does Rivals usually do their final rankings?
That's what I thought at least.
No way. People stop looking at that class shortly after signing day. It's before that I'm sure.
It goes into real time on/around Signing Day, IIRC. As new commits announce the classes rankings go up and down. IIRC they just plug in the Rivals Rating into their formula. It keeps going after signing day as well, in case of late commits from big prospects like a Terrell Pryor.
until classes are "official"?
Here's why - if they did it once the classes were official, they would have to release the new rankings on NSD, because a week after NSD people have already checked out their team's class and have moved on. If you re-ranked the 2011 class in March of 2011, it's likely no one would notice. Also, the services aren't learning anything new about these kids between the All star games and NSD.
So, why wouldn't they release them on NSD? Because re-ranks cause hits. Everyone who cares about recruiting is already going to be all over Rivals and Scout on NSD, there's no need to generate hits that day. However, if you do a re-rank in mid January, you're get a ton of people going to your site on those days to see the new rankings/ratings.
I always pay more attention to where we stand by average star rating. If you re-sort by that (which is not influenced by number of commits) we are 13th on Rivals and 11th on Scout.
I get it that more recruits = more probability that you'll have recruits that "pan out" or become studs, but to me, it's quality over quantity any day (see Indiana).
it doesn't have to be one or the other. it is both. you need quality and depth.
I guess I was merely saying I would rather have 10 higher rated players than 20 lower or unranked players like IU's recruiting class is like (or was before they got poached). I also say this with a bit of an "eh" because we all know how 3* recruits can turn out to be more like 5 * players.
Wait, are you saying Mike Hart was a 3 star?
Record breaking stats in NY + lacks size + lacks speed = 3*
I almost viewed him as a slower version of Dee Hart. ALMOST.
We only have a small amount of scholarships to give in this class.
So every time I see your name I think of an amazing white golfer and just wondering if you indeed play golf or if it has nothign to do with golf at all?
He likes to hook up with Perkins hostesses.
saving up for the freshman year, of course.
[lest anyone think this is a questionable remark, referring to Aravind Adiga's prize-winning novel The White Tiger.]
and highly original (though that phrase isn't).
And yes, we're such an eclectic group!
I could agree more, actually. Every scholarship athlete is another chance for a raw prospect or a low to moderate upside prospect that is still better than our other options for that season. Star average only works if you expect that star average to hold while filling up (or almost filling up) the class. If you maintain a high star average until filling up on MAC prospects (or just striking out entirely) on signing day, you're not better off.
Our secondary this year could have used another upperclassman three star athlete, regardless of how much people may have complained when he committed.
Because 13th seems high for a class made up primarily of 3 star recruits.
It is more simple than that... it is simply an average of their star rating. Our average is 3.31(on Rivals) or so... a three star is equivalent to all other 3 stars.
UM has 4 4-star guys and 9 3-star guys.
What you're trying to get at, but according to Rivals ratings, there are only 8 teams in the Top 25 recruiting classes that have more 4/5* recruits than 3* recruits:
- Texas - 17 4/5* recruits; 6 3* recruits
- Alabama - 14 4/5* recruits; 6 3* recruits
- Oklahoma - 9 4/5* recruits; 7 3* recruits
- USC - 8 4/5* recruits; 8 3* recruits
- Nebraska - 11 4* recruits; 6 3* recruits
- Florida/Cal/Georgia - 8 4* recruits; 7 3* recruits
So it's not as if Michigan is in the minority with the whole "more 3* recruits than 4/5* recruits" idea. A lot of highly rated recruiting classes have a majority of 3* kids in their class.
Alabama - 14 4/5* recruits; 6 3* recruits
Looks like there's 6 kids in jeopardy of not having a spot this fall.
Now I can finally get a good night's sleep.
I also hope that all the kids we sign make it through admissions. It will feel so good to see players who do NOT drop out of the program because of academics--or, for that matter, any other reason. So far, this group looks like a good fit all around.
If he's in serious contention for the POtY award, why don't they just give him the damn 5th star already? Its like Denard being left off the 1st (and 2nd!) All-Big Ten Team but being the Offensive POtY and finishing 5th (6th?) in the Heisman voting. DAMN THE MAN!
There's one more adjustment to the star rankings. Hopefully dee goes up to a five and others move up to a four!
I think it's because he doesn't project well into the pros. Isn't that part of the rating systems?
you realize Dee Hart getting a 5th star wont make the team better next year right? Dee Hart is sweet- whether he's a 4 star or a 5 star he's going to be the exact same come fall next year... just sayin...
There are only 16 5 star prospects on rivals this year, compared to 26 last year. Do they usually change the list this close to signing day?
how good of a recruiter RR is.
Quantity is also important. All the recruits we have had over the past five years show how important the numbers game is, so I hope we are able to fill 20 spots.
I'll be more excited if we win on New Year's Day and end up in the top 25 rankings of football teams.
There's my soul-dong on the rise!
Is that Fogerty?
Are you serious?
Hopefully, the trend will continue that we gain one big commitment on NSD from a player who garners late interest ('08 Roundtree '09 Robinson '10 Dorsey :[ ). With the way the class is already shaping up, we could have a top 15 class.
Looking ahead to next year, assuming we do work next year on the football field, the 2012 class could be one of our best yet.
that's too much foresight for me. I like to look at how bad things are now and claim the sky is falling.
I'd say we're in OK shape. With 7 or so spots left, and Frost, Zettel and maybe Lyons hopefully committing soon, we should be in the top 15 again at the end of the year.
+1 for Dilla.
And our class is ranked higher than theirs, but none of this matters, because MSU OWNS THE STATE OF MICHIGAN RECRUITING!!!1!!!11!
ten if every thing works out.GO BLUE!!!
We probably don't have a shot at the top 10 because of class size. We would need a lot of our 3 star guys to get a fourth star or have them decommit and get replaced by a 4 star. For a 20 man class to be in the top 10 it needs to be pretty stacked, because there will be more than 10 teams with similar commits and 25-28 commits.
We also have the fewest number of commitments in the top 50 at 13, so as we get more, we'll be flying up the rankings
with the addition of Frost, Zettel, Bryant and throw in Lyons, Lucien and Tabb......could this be RR best recruiting class at Michigan yet?
Ohio State (seven four stars), Stanford (eight four stars), and Ole Miss! (seven four stars) round out #'s 9, 10 and 11 on Rivals chart. If Michigan makes a big run a top 10 finish is possible.
It is interesting to note that Ohio State gets nearly all of its four stars from Ohio and Ole Miss from the south. Stanford however gets them from across the country (Colorado, California, Washington, Texas, New Jersey, Indiana, and Georgia).
.......weeks ago comparing UM's recruiting class thus far, other school's classes, and the projected "gets" we have listed. By my reckoning, and others who chimed in, UM is nearly a lock to be a top 15 class, and has a very good shot at somewhere around #10.
Glad Countess is Blue now.
RR and Beilein are similar in that they recruit to their specific needs and unique systems... Recruiting classes don't always rank as high as they might if you were measuring "fit to the system" or other unique qualities... This makes the most sense at QB and Slot receiver... ideal fits for RR's offense are not necessarily the prototypical college 5* but excel in this system.
I guess what I am trying to say is, as with out BB team, I don't think we will show up as a top 5 class as we are not chasing or appealing to the very elite prospects.
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Nice to see some good news for you guys for a change. Countess was a great get, always liked him
RICH ROD CAN'T RECRUIT *rabble rabble* Spread doesn't... *rabble* *rabble* work in Big Ten.
... Imagine where we might be without coaching uncertainty (or perceived uncertainty)