the just released schedules were a flat-out statement that the B10 doesn't believe SOS will matter in playoff selection
Michigan Re-offers Dawson
November 29th, 2012 at 10:45 PM | 
Well..
Well..
November 29th, 2012 at 10:45 PM |
Sam Webb reporting visits @
Sam Webb reporting visits @
Sam Webb reporting visits @ Ohio on Dec. 7th, Bama on Jan. 11th and Sparty Jan. 18th as well. We should be good to stay the course, so to speak.
November 29th, 2012 at 10:47 PM |
There may not be a spot open
There may not be a spot open
There may not be a spot open for him after Dec 14
“When your team is winning, be ready to be tough, because winning can make you soft. On the other hand, when your team is losing, stick by them. Keep believing” - Bo Schembechler
November 29th, 2012 at 11:25 PM |
Ah, of course, of course. If
Ah, of course, of course. If
Ah, of course, of course. If that's the case, so be it. I just don't want Hoke swaying too much in regards to his policy. Little room for much flexibility in this case, IMO. Just gotta handle Dawson tenuously is all.
November 30th, 2012 at 6:32 AM |
?
?
And just what evidence have you seen that would suggest that Hoke could sway on his policy?
The Team, The Team, The Team
November 29th, 2012 at 10:49 PM |
I always thought
I always thought
that what must have happened is that he decommitted so he could look at Florida, then didn't like it as much as he thought and realized he wanted to stay close to home, but realized there are really only a few high level schools in the Midwest and would end up back here.
So it goes.
November 29th, 2012 at 10:50 PM |
Little confused about the
Little confused about the
Little confused about the policy. Definitely understand not pulling Conley's offer (up front about his decision making). Was under the impression Dawson was not as up front. Obviously do not know the full story hence the confusion.
As long as the coaches are up front and clear with the recruits we shouldn't have any problems.
Here's hoping for a bright future. This team does try hard and I will continue to support them.
November 29th, 2012 at 11:05 PM |
Here's my best
Here's my best
Here's my best understanding/guess of "the policy," which could be completely wrong.
If you are offered a scholarship to Michigan, you commit, and you keep your grades up and yourself out of trouble, the coaches will honor that original offer. Even if you have a bad season or something - or a sexier recruit comes along - they won't drop you because they found someone they like better.
If you visit another school, you no longer have that guarantee. Michigan might still recruit you, but they'll only do so if they think you're a good option at the moment. If someone else takes your spot in the meantime, so be it.
Basically, I think people are incorrect when they say that the policy is "visit elsewhere --> can't go to Michigan." I think it's more "visit elsewhere --> give up your guaranteed spot --> we'll see what happens."
November 30th, 2012 at 12:28 AM |
If it is not as you describe
If it is not as you describe
It should be.
Be the change, I want you to be.
November 30th, 2012 at 5:36 AM |
This is how it is, and it has
This is how it is, and it has
This is how it is, and it has been very advantageous for Hoke thus far. I don't want people to get the wrong impression because I respect and advocate our recruiting principles; I just want to see Hoke stand his ground at the same time because, if he does not; future, more costly predicaments could arise.
Maybe I'm just being cynical or semantical, and I do want Dawson (he is such an integral addition to our OL class), however; I think a recruit should understand, thoroughly, what entails their commitment to Michigan. I believe most do, and honestly hope Dawson is an exception, respectively, because in the future, I think Hoke should deny a recommitment.
It's really out of fairness. Cause in Turd's words, there technically really isn't a "policy".
November 30th, 2012 at 10:10 AM |
Just adding to your understanding/guess
Just adding to your understanding/guess
I think a lot of it has to do with how "Being Committed" leads to "Taking other visits".
If a commit talks to the coaches about how they were his first offer, he jumped on it, didn't really do his research and wants to see what other schools have to offer (Conley), he'll fall in the "You're no longer committed, but thanks for handling this in an up front manner, we're no longer saving you a spot in this class, but we still want you at Michigan".
If a commit doesn't talk to the coaches and books a trip to another school, like Oregon (Pharoah Brown) without telling the coaches anything, the recruit has burned that bridge, he is no longer a commit and the coaches won't recruit him anymore.
With Dawson it seems like there was a little from column A, a little from B, and at the end the coaches are still recruting him.
"Over? Did you say, over? Nothing is over until we decide it is!"
November 29th, 2012 at 10:58 PM |
Pack your bags everybody
Pack your bags everybody
Pack your bags everybody
"Ohio is like a giant turd that Michigan just can't pinch off"
November 30th, 2012 at 1:53 AM |
I understand this reference!
I understand this reference!
I understand this reference!
November 29th, 2012 at 10:59 PM |
Our good friend Tom VH
Our good friend Tom VH
Our good friend Tom VH providing a little insight on his twitter...
"OL David Dawson had a "heart-to-heart" with Brady Hoke tonight and was re-offered by Michigan".
November 30th, 2012 at 12:37 AM |
I would love to know...
I would love to know...
I would love to know how this meeting with Hoke came about. Does David go to coach Wilcher and say I really want to talk to Michigan again can you arrange something with coach Hoke so I can tell him. Does David pick up the phone and call and tell them himself...or does Hoke just pop in and say we've heard you've had a change of heart and may want to come back into the fold. I hope someone on the inside let's us know how all this came about.
I've never watched "Rudy" because I can't stand notre dame.
November 30th, 2012 at 12:57 AM |
I'm guessing most likely a
I'm guessing most likely a
I'm guessing most likely a phone call.
Nov. 27-Dec 17 and then again in Jan. is conisdered the "contact period" in the recruiting calendar.
Coaches can make unlimted amount of calls to seniors during the "contact period"
Greetings from Bolivia.
"It's special how the real true people hang together. And if you don't support the program you're not a true Michigan guy. It's that simple." - Gary Moeller
November 29th, 2012 at 11:04 PM |
Hmmm
Hmmm
Boy, this is interesting. I also see now OSU has offered Lacy. I would love to have Dawson back because based on his camp tapes last summer he seemed like the most ready OL and seems very strong and tough. But, this whole back and forth has been odd to say the least. From the comments I have seen from Dawson it didn't seem like he was too happy with UM fans, not that I can blame him, but I guess it still surprises me that he still wants to come to UM. And, it makes you wonder about the whole no visit policy now. Wouldn't it be really weird if both Conley and Dawson came back?
Strength equipment is expensive and guarantees you nothing. A strong will is free and can give you everything you want.
November 30th, 2012 at 12:10 AM |
They go out look around, but
They go out look around, but
They go look around, but they always come home to Momma.
M'Dog
November 29th, 2012 at 11:06 PM |
I feel like Dawson & UofM are
I feel like Dawson & UofM are
I feel like Dawson & UofM are that dysfunctional couple that air out all of their differences on Facebook & Twitter.
November 30th, 2012 at 2:52 PM |
Except Dawson had a pretty respectful response towards U-M
Except Dawson had a pretty respectful response towards U-M
When he left, and Michigan didn't really say anything.
It's more like the fans are the people who buy the tabloids to find out what's going on with the latest celebrity couple, whether it's real or not.
"I love him, he's a great coach, he's a great mentor, he's a great friend. He's every single thing you want a college coach to be, and he does it flawlessly." -David Molk
November 29th, 2012 at 11:10 PM |
treadwell, dawson, green or
treadwell, dawson, green or
treadwell, dawson, green or isaacs, mcquay, conley or J Williams
do we have the room ?
November 30th, 2012 at 12:12 AM |
It's times such as these that
It's times such as these that
It's times such as these that we must ask ourselves . . .
What would Nick do?
M'Dog
November 29th, 2012 at 11:12 PM |
Normally, I wouldn't think too highly of this move by the staff,
Normally, I wouldn't think too highly of this move by the staff,
BUT I think this type of situation should be the exception to the rule.
BTB, Conor's, and the Jug= The Trifecta
November 29th, 2012 at 11:22 PM |
Normally, I wouldn't think too highly of a comment like this.
Normally, I wouldn't think too highly of a comment like this.
I'll make an exception though, assuming you are close enough to the situation to have first-hand knowlege.
How about sharing "the rule" with us. Exactly and verbatim, with no "I think, I heard, or it seems".
May you have a strong foundation
When the winds of changes shift
November 29th, 2012 at 11:12 PM |
Just when I think the coaches
Just when I think the coaches
Just when I think the coaches couldn't get any dumber, they go and do something like this...and TOTALLY redeem themselves.
(I don't really think they're dumb; I just wanted to quote an epic movie)
November 29th, 2012 at 11:19 PM |
I don't know, Lloyd. The
I don't know, Lloyd. The
I don't know, Lloyd. The French are assholes.
It's been a lot. Its been a roller coaster that for some reason seemed like it would never get good. But you know what? We kept fighting. It's like that old saying goes, "Those Who Stay Will Be Champions." -David Molk
November 29th, 2012 at 11:24 PM |
Billy Price
Billy Price
... just changed his underwear.
Never make eye contact while eating a banana.
November 29th, 2012 at 11:42 PM |
I thought we were gonna start
I thought we were gonna start
I thought we were gonna start referring to him as "Bilky Price?"
shogun
November 29th, 2012 at 11:23 PM |
I wish
I wish
that I experienced a "heart to heart" with Coach Hoke. I guess I should've caused more trouble?
Coach Hoke once told me that a moral victory is still a (expletive deleted) loss.
November 29th, 2012 at 11:43 PM |
Hoke seems like a
Hoke seems like a
Hoke seems like a "heart-to-heart" kind of guy.
November 29th, 2012 at 11:43 PM |
More Daves!
More Daves!
This is great news. The Michigan football I know and love is built around interior offensive linemen named Dave. Daves Brandt, Baas, Pearson, Petruziello, Moosman, and Molk would be happy to hear this.
November 29th, 2012 at 11:47 PM |
The only thing
The only thing
The only thing that surprises me is everyone's reaction. I don't understand what is so hard to understand about this recruiting policy. WTF I feel like I'm taking crazy pills.
1 - the coaches offer you.
2 - you commit, they honor your commitment.
3 - you don't commit, coaches hold it until they're full.
4 - you commit and take visits and notify the coaches beforehand that you want to, a la Conley. Coaches understand but no longer consider you a recruit. Maybe they keep your offer and recruit you, maybe not.
5 - you commit and deceive the coaches about not taking visits a la Pharaoh Brown and David Dawson. You are no longer considered a recruit by the staff similar to step #4 and they likely pull an offer. The staff evaluates whether to offer you based on factors individual to your situation, and decides whether to continue to recruit and/or offer you. Pharaoh = Ohio kid without M ties and a number of other family factors we don't know about. Dawson = kid that dreamed of playing at M prior to getting an offer, accepted immediately, dad died, and a number of other family factors we don't know about.
Rinse and repeat step 1.
Everyone circle jerks each other about how much better of a fanbase we are than fanbase X but this simple concept seems to spawn increasingly ridiculous discussion everytime it's brought up.
Intensity is a lot of guys that run fast.
November 30th, 2012 at 1:36 AM |
You said you don't understand
You said you don't understand
You said you don't understand what is so hard to understand, but to explain it you had to type up a 4 page essay. Kind of answered your own question there, no?
Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence.
- Vince Lombardi
November 29th, 2012 at 11:54 PM |
Doesn't Hoke's no-visit
Doesn't Hoke's no-visit
Doesn't Hoke's no-visit policy simply mean that if a recruit commits, and then decides to take visits to other schools, then UM no longer considers him a commit and his spot is once again open to other offered recruits?
Dawson isn't considered a commit right now -- and I'm assuming another offered OL recruit could still commit and grab his former spot -- so I guess I'm unclear why this situation would be thought of as Hoke bending the rules of his policy.
November 29th, 2012 at 11:57 PM |
.... aaaand of course no
.... aaaand of course no
.... aaaand of course no sooner do I click "Save" then I notice someone immediately ahead of me posted something very similar.
November 30th, 2012 at 12:00 AM |
I can hear the signing day
I can hear the signing day
I can hear the signing day presser questions from Rothstein now...
"Michigan Defense" is dominating everything, in every aspect of life. That's a rough definition.
-Craig Roh 10/29/2011
November 30th, 2012 at 12:00 AM |
Big crowd for few seats
Big crowd for few seats
Dawson, Lacy, Hunt and Rodgers for 1 slot.
Green and maybe Isaac for 1 spot.
Reschke for 0 spot (full at LB).
Treadwell and Conley for 1 spot (and LaQuay?).
McQuay for 1 spot.
Probably more but at least 10 candidates for 3-4 spots. Is Reschke a no for sure?
"Everybody wants to be a hero, so to speak. But it takes everybody." - Charles Woodson
November 30th, 2012 at 12:08 AM |
According to Reschke.
According to Reschke.
According to Reschke.
Don't quote laws to us. We carry swords.
-Pompeius Magnus
November 30th, 2012 at 12:14 AM |
Forget Isaac
Forget Isaac
He said two days ago the call from the Michigan coaches "meant nothing to him." Treadwell is probably fanciful at this point as well, but I agree with your basic point, that's a lot of names.
"You know, for a bartender/bookie, you're pretty judgmental."
November 30th, 2012 at 12:06 AM |
Michigan offered a new '13
Michigan offered a new '13
Michigan offered a new '13 LB. there is definitely something going on with the current players on the roster that is causing them to go after a 3rd LB.
November 30th, 2012 at 3:34 AM |
Who did we offer?
Who did we offer?
Who did we offer?
Greetings from Bolivia.
"It's special how the real true people hang together. And if you don't support the program you're not a true Michigan guy. It's that simple." - Gary Moeller
November 30th, 2012 at 6:02 AM |
Jamieon Moss was offered. He
Jamieon Moss was offered. He
Jamieon Moss was offered. He is a Virginia Tech pledge.
November 30th, 2012 at 12:36 AM |
I'm not sure how close their
I'm not sure how close their
I'm not sure how close their friendship was, but does Dawson recommitting help our chances with Green?
"A Michigan Man will coach a Michigan Team"
November 30th, 2012 at 12:45 AM |
I don't typically watch
I don't typically watch
Recruit videos but I watched some of Dawson's camp video. Dude is a seriously aggressive mauler. Was my favorite talent in the class. Would welcome him back in the fold.
Unrelated to his talent level, Kid is 17 and got brutalized on twitter when his initial recruitment went sideways. His decommit shenanigans was simply a kid acting like a kid. It shows me some growth, however, that he sat down with coach hoke and was able to rise above the primitive part of the fan base. Takes a man to do that. Like him blue or not.
Be the change, I want you to be.
November 30th, 2012 at 1:17 AM |
Scheduled to visit? Why on
Scheduled to visit? Why on
Scheduled to visit? Why on earth would he again need to visit?
November 30th, 2012 at 1:23 AM |
Why not? Michigan is awesome.
Why not? Michigan is awesome.
Why not? Michigan is awesome.
USING GRATUITOUS AMOUNTS OF CAPS LOCK SINCE APRIL 2011
November 30th, 2012 at 8:30 AM |
Free....
Free....
all expense paid weekend..... dont think many guys would turn that down.
CJK5H - allegedly....
November 30th, 2012 at 1:47 AM |
I'd worry more about getting
I'd worry more about getting
I'd worry more about getting ONE of those big name recruits before I started worrying about not having enough room for all of them. Getting Green or Treadwell would make me feel much better about the offense moving forward. I also think Green is a much better fit than Ty for Hoke's style. I'm guessing our offense eventually looks very similar to Stanford's.
November 30th, 2012 at 1:57 AM |
It is quite apparent
It is quite apparent
to me that with the amount of comments for this thread, that you, Mr Dawson, matter to us and would be a very welcome addition to the class.
I wasn't crazy about how things went down with his de-commit, however, I tried to avoid commenting and am glad I did.
Go Blue David, Go Blue young man!!!
November 30th, 2012 at 2:15 AM |
Yesssssssssssssssssssssss!!!!
Yesssssssssssssssssssssss!!!!
Yesssssssssssssssssssssss!!!! I really think he'll come back to the good guys.
As long as the coaches are good with it, so am I. Dawson didn't act very mature, but he is a 17 year old kid, and our coaches should treat him as such. Giving him a second chance is the right thing to do.
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