Michigan is Over! [Moderated: No More Henson]
[ed-S: Adding Gregg Henson to the list of asshats (with Valenti, Foster, Sharp and Ace Williams) you are best left ignoring. Guy has no established credibility, as best as I can determine he gets emails from a pissed off former player with content alluding to things other pissed off former players are saying. Also demonstrated he doesn't understand most basic tenets of responsible journalism, getting into a twitter argument w/ me and BiSB on sourcing. Now he's trying to appoint himself the MC of Michigan's downfall. Please keep all trolls off this site.]
September 27th, 2014 at 11:00 PM ^
I know, I know ESPN meh.
Hoke claims to not hear the jeers becuase coaching is "big boy business". Also states that we can still win title. WOW
September 27th, 2014 at 11:02 PM ^
Its the blind leading the blind at UM right now. DB's Ego is gonna destroy this program.
September 27th, 2014 at 11:01 PM ^
Been over since 11/18/2006, the past 8 years have been a bad dream with small flashes of ecstacy popping up here or there.
September 27th, 2014 at 11:22 PM ^
If you could pinpoint the moment this program went over the edge, that game, that helmet to helmet by Crable would have to be it. Wierd, becuase it certainly didn't feel like it at the time.
September 27th, 2014 at 11:27 PM ^
How a BS call could be the equivalent of the flapping of a Butterfly's wings starting a hurricane.
At game speed that call could only be made by a total asshole ref. There was utterly no way or time for Crable to line Smith up for such a hit, Smith had been Houdini all night, no one hit him squarely except perhaps for that one time. But, total agreement, if you graphed the fortunes of the team since that BS call, the downward trend is undeniable.
September 27th, 2014 at 11:46 PM ^
It was helmet-to-helmet and 100% a penalty. Don't be that guy.
September 28th, 2014 at 12:37 AM ^
September 27th, 2014 at 11:24 PM ^
It is amazing looking back at the past 8 years, and the decline to mediocrity or worse. Especially with a declining Big Ten as the backdrop. Looking back I would be gladly take a vanilla coach and a string of 8 win seasons just to see the program is competent.
September 27th, 2014 at 11:47 PM ^
September 28th, 2014 at 12:03 AM ^
Bullshit. There was Michigan football before Bo, and there will be after Bo. Two bad hires isnt going to doom us for eternity.
September 28th, 2014 at 12:07 AM ^
A year after Bo's death, we beat Urban Meyer and Tim Tebow in their backyard. The program is bigger than Bo.
September 27th, 2014 at 11:02 PM ^
When the blowhards make more sense than the head coach it's time to clean house.
September 27th, 2014 at 11:02 PM ^
about right.
September 27th, 2014 at 11:05 PM ^
September 27th, 2014 at 11:23 PM ^
That was a horrible decision. It could have been an error or not knowing, but goddammit.
September 27th, 2014 at 11:04 PM ^
I just feel heartbroken. It's painful to watch these games. At least there was hope in 2008 that things would get better because the right style of players were on the way.
September 27th, 2014 at 11:08 PM ^
You hit the nail on the head. There is no longer hope. Hoke has made it clear that what you see is what you're going to get.
September 27th, 2014 at 11:17 PM ^
When we had those players and Mississippi state was ass ramming us over and over?
It's literally the exact same thing.
People need to stop using this to justify Rich Rod.
Rich Rod was shitty, this is shitty. It's the same. Shitty is shitty. We deserve better than shitty. The end.
What is it with this constant urge to compare everything? Sometimes it just is what it is and it doesn't make the past better or worse.
7-5 with Rich Rod and struggling through the B1G yet again was just as painful as this bullshit. I was over it then, I'm over it now.
Fire Rich Rod then. Fire Hoke now.
September 27th, 2014 at 11:26 PM ^
Funny how the AD gave Hoke whatever amount of $ needed to get a good coordinator.
We fired a fucking offensive genius for a MAC-level coach because he knew the fight song and was an assistant here.
At least RR was improving in wins, unlike Hoke, who won with RR's players. Yeah, the defense was bad. Maybe if RR had a DC he actually wanted, things would've been better.
It's all over with. Can't go back. But there are a million reasons things are the way they are.
September 27th, 2014 at 11:43 PM ^
The problem with RR was just that - a "DC he wanted" was a 3-3-5 guru and nothing else. He had a good DC in Shafer and ran him out because he didn't want to run that defense.
Both RR and Hoke are failures here. I'm not pining for either one. I want a coach who doesn't have a giant blind spot on one side of the ball.
September 27th, 2014 at 11:44 PM ^
I respectfully disagree. Recruiting is great and we have a young team.
September 27th, 2014 at 11:53 PM ^
That's some awesome trolling you're doing there buddy. VERY convincing. Just needs more exclamation points!
September 28th, 2014 at 12:03 AM ^
Whatever man. I get that we are all pissed but God forbid someone says anything positive about team 135.
September 27th, 2014 at 11:47 PM ^
RichRod's teams "improved" because he started out with a losing record. He couldn't even win the gimmes at first. Until this season, Coach Hoke usually did.
I don't understand why some people want to go back and say we should have kept RichRod, just because Coach Hoke hasn't worked out. Maybe it's possible that neither one was right for the program??
September 28th, 2014 at 12:04 AM ^
Never did I say Michigan should go back. It's a shame they can't turn back time, but there was no choice but to fire RR.
That whole thing was FUBAR from the beginning. It was like building a bicycle without putting pedals on it.
If they just didn't dick around in the beginning and went (sorry for the pun) all in from the start, I'm willing to bet a large amount of money that he'd still be here and Michigan would be good.
But, what's done is done. And now we're in our own present-day version of the 50s and 60s in terms of humiliating losses.
September 28th, 2014 at 12:34 AM ^
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September 28th, 2014 at 12:44 AM ^
RR's third season ended with losses of 20, 30, and 38 points. The team quit on him, the fans quit on him, and the recruits were turning him down.
There were two huge factors behind the turnaround in 2011: the hiring of a competent defensive staff, and the elimination of media pressure over the coach's job status. Those two things don't happen if RR stays. Another year of him means the players have to spend another 12 months in a negative media environment, hearing about how their coach will get fired if they don't win, and they almost certainly won't have a DC of Mattison's caliber coaching them because 1) RR is a dead man walking (so why work with him?) and 2) Gibson and the other position coaches need someone they're "compatible" with, anyway.
The 2011 season was the perfect transition from one failed regime that knew how to coach only offense with another that knew how to coach only defense. Neither staff could have put 2011 together by themselves.
September 28th, 2014 at 12:31 AM ^
At least in 2010 we didn't realize we were shitty until the latter half of the B1G schedule. This year we've known we were shitty since week 2.
September 27th, 2014 at 11:04 PM ^
Maybe this college football season is just a glitch in our neural net?
September 27th, 2014 at 11:45 PM ^
It is. Hoke does indeed spring eternal!!
September 28th, 2014 at 12:09 AM ^
The Goddam plane just crashed into the Mountain!
September 27th, 2014 at 11:04 PM ^
September 27th, 2014 at 11:06 PM ^
I cannot argue with his point of view.
September 27th, 2014 at 11:06 PM ^
My thread with Morris' possible concussion got deleted but it's still sad what this has become.
September 27th, 2014 at 11:07 PM ^
This is my first post and I thought we could all use a little bit of humor.
September 27th, 2014 at 11:09 PM ^
Dave Brandon will spend his winter in Scottsdale. Dave Brandon deserves vacationing in Scottsdale.
September 27th, 2014 at 11:37 PM ^
September 27th, 2014 at 11:09 PM ^
I am SHOCKED... SHOCKED, I tell you... that hiring a head coach with a sub-.500 record at Ball State and San Diego State has led us to anything short of the promised land!
September 27th, 2014 at 11:49 PM ^
That's not really fair. He coached under Moeller and turned around both programs he was at. The program isnt where we would like it but he's a great guy and is all in for Michigan!
September 28th, 2014 at 12:56 AM ^
I'm sorry what championships did he win at those programs?
September 27th, 2014 at 11:13 PM ^
Money not Michigan. Hoke and Brandon need to respect the program and hand in their keys. This program has to realize that in this day and age no team can walk on the field and win games simply because of the name on their jersery, not even Alabama. This is not a talent issue, a recruiting issue, it is a program issue. I will continue to watch and route for the team but quite honestly I no longer have an emotional or finacial interest unitl both Brandon and Hoke are GONE.
so freakin frustrated
September 27th, 2014 at 11:14 PM ^
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September 27th, 2014 at 11:18 PM ^
that's probably why he's a radio guy and not a writer.