That's great and all, but how's his Tinder game?
Peppers at 10, which seems low.
That's great and all, but how's his Tinder game?
I'd be shocked if he didn't flip. He's a Wangler fergodsakes.
Offers include LSU, Tennessee, and MSU.
Not Tennessee sorry.
I could be wrong but I think LSU was a preferred walk-on offer
I think you are wrong
I just remembered that he only had a PWO offer from LSU before he committed to PSU. I just now saw the Miles offered him after he was already committed.
Les Miles offered Jared personally, which is relatively rare. It was absolutely not a walk-on offer.
I don't think there is a pressing need at LB but our S numbers are still a bit low.
Coaches told him he'd be a SAM, along with Winovich. Our other two LBs are MIKEs
Didn't the coaches tell Winovich he would come in as a Mike?
I believe you're thinking of Furbush.
Wangler not quick enough to play WILL or MIKE?
I haven't watched his highlights since sometime in February, but I definitely didn't think he was quick enough to be a WILL. I'll have to watch it again now that he got offered, but I wasn't very impressed initially.
The anonymous supposed football coach at the youth level....
What pupose does that swipe serve? Magnus offered an opinion, and if you don't agree then disagree. Or even, perhaps, say nothing? What does it even matter if you believe he coaches or not, who cares?
They've been recruiting a fourth linebacker for a while.
You know the woman Jerry said that to is now playing Skylar on Breaking Bad. Kind of weird because Bryan Cranston was also on Seinfeld as Tim Whatley, the regifting dentist who converts to Judaism purely for the jokes.
Heard he's grown some recently so maybe they finally see him as a LB now.
Two star who committed to Penn State without visiting? Shall I trust Mattison / Hoke again on this one?
(Honest question, does he have some good intanglibles or what?)
Your point total sets my mind to MgoVillain, what a wonderful bastard he was.
He's a 3* to every site but Rivals. He appears to have some upside and has gotten bigger and better recently according to the esteemed TomVH.
Fair enough. Has a good LB face and almost a perfect LB name... I'd prefer it to be "Wrangler"... sounds a little more macho and 'Murrica, but I'll take Wangler.
Never made the connection. Why isn't it John Jr.? Goddamn better believe if I was a Michigan quarterback there'd be a little Herman Jr. in training.
Wasnt Miles best friends with Wangler?
Yes, but won't this hurt our chances with Kris Frost?
That's so funny. The last time I heard that, I laughed so hard I fell off my dinosaur!
Honest question: His family is probably pretty well off; why doesn't he just offer to walk-on?
If you can get a full ride, why walk on? For the "good of the University"? That's mildly insulting and unfair to the Wangler family.
Scholarship players get way more benefits. It's like asking a wealthy person "give me 100K, you won't miss it."
Why do you think his family has enough money to turn down a full ride?
What I'd like to see....
Ferbush and Winovich: SAM, with Ferbush moonlighting at DE
Based on what I read and his size, but after watching his film I think SAM is the best position for him. Unfortunately, I think SAM is the best position for all Michigan's LBs too. Ferns could potentially play any of the three, we'll see if Furbush sticks at MIKE, I like him more as a SAM or DE personally, and I think Winovich is a SAM as you get.
This doesn't seem necessary to me. Aren't we in good position with Dwight Williams?
That depends on your definition of good.
If you're a Lloyd Christmas fan, then yes. We've got a chance.
We are in position with Williams, but he's still a California kid with offers from all over the place. You can't exactly put all your eggs in the Dwight Williams basket.
In terms of whether he flips or not, I recall he flipped from Shrine HS to DeLasalle, so I guess it wouldn't be out of the question.
more because of a disagreement between his old man and the coach
And my initial reaction was thinking he was more a WILL as well, but after watching his film I think SAM is the better spot for him. While still a bit small, he would be able to RS to gain weight, potentially up to about 240. His skill set right now is better off the edge and in space, something that he'd see more of at the SAM position. He doesn't appear to be a slicer and I'm not sure he has the suddenness to make a good WILL at this time. His ability to drop should still be fully utilized at the SAM, as he can drop back into zone coverages ofter from that position or stick on the TE. IMO, SAM is the right spot for him.
My worries is that he doesn't really seem to have the frame to put on that much weight. He does somethings well but seems as if he'll be somewhat limited as far as upside. He's not an explosive athlete, but if he can gain the weight, I think he has the potential to be good enough to make an impact on the field.
Query: What is the difference between the WILL and MIKE (responsibilties, skills required and ideal body type of player) in Michigan's current defensive philosophy?
Any coaches or reasonably informed laymen feel free to chime in.
The WILL should be more of an athletic guy who can blitz, slice in and chase down plays from the backside, etc. He's typically a little bit smaller than the MIKE. I'm thinking 6'1" and 225-230 lbs. would be pretty ideal. The MIKE is a bigger guy and has to take on more blockers, so you'd want him to be pretty stout; I think Kenny Demens had a pretty ideal frame (6'1", 245-ish), but he wasn't as instinctive as you would want.
What you'll often see this year is that the 4-3 under leaves the MIKE responsible for the strong side B-gap (between the strong side guard and tackle), and will tend to take on more fullbacks, pulling linemen, etc. He has to be bigger and more able to fight through traffic.
The WILL will be responsible for a weak side gap (primarily the A-gap), so he will be pursuing from the back side. He can be smaller, but he has to be instinctive and able to 'pick' through traffic, because his ability to affect the play depends on getting to the back before he clears the hole and/or before a releasing lineman finds him.
If you want to see the difference between the day in a life of a MIKE and a WILL, watch the difference between Demens (MIKE, defensive left) and Ross (WILL, on the defensive right) here:
Not that hoke needs a 3rd party justicifation but the kid did get a UA game offer.
does anyone know if we tried to flip Drue. Everyone seemed so high on him, seems like he was next in line.
Do we really need 4 linebackers in this class? Maybe a position of greater need, a running back perhaps, 2015 is a good distance away and running backs get hurt often.
If you run out of RBs, you can just make a spare LB your starting back. Right, Mr. Dantonio?
Or if you run out of LBs you can just use your fullback for a starting LB, according to Mr. Meyer.
Just think right now that scholarship should read "best player available." If it's January, then yea, go ahead and make the offer.
But what if that spot could go to one of the Glenville kids that we initially weren't in the running for? What if someone has a huge senior year?
Some people are saying the class could reach 20, so we would still have room for another "best player available."
Who the hell dishes out "trolling" for asking a question, and besides that do we really need a "approval point system" are we fuckin ten years old.
I am totally baffled by this offer. With the way we are recruiting I see no reason to give a scholorship to a middling prospect with little athleticism who will never end up more than a depth player. Disagree with me if you want but thats just the way I see it.
And on what are you basing this opinion?
Probably the pile of data that this blog touts pointing to guru ratings as a decent predictor of future success and correlation to wins. But that's just a guess.
Generally speaking, you're right, but you can't use a general rule to assess every single piece of data. I could say tall people are typically better than shorter people at basketball, and in general that would be true. But just like your rule, there are plenty of exceptions.
Some coaches are better at finding which three stars are better than others. If PSU, Michigan and LSU all want him, that's something. Additionally, 247 really likes him, giving him an 88 rating. Winovich and Furbush are 89 and 87, respectively, and they have Wangler 6th in the state, above Mo Ways.
Lastly, the data used to correlate recruit ranking with college success uses final rankings, not rankings six months before signing day. Let's see where he is then before we get all worked up.
247 still ranks him as a 3-star, regardless of whether the 88 grade seems good or not. And their Composite rankings place him somewhere in the 800's.
Obviously, there are going to be 3-stars who blossom and 5-stars who bust. But it's not difficult to see why fans might be a bit confused/surprised/disappointed in an offer like this.
I'm a little surprised that the staff did not wait until Dwight Willams made his official visit, for the ND game IIRC, to assess their chances with him before making this offer. I wonder if they have already come to the conclusion that he is a longshot and decided to just "write him off" as a prospective Wolverine. It seems like they could have waited another 6-8 weeks to make this offer and they probably still would have been able to secure Wangler's commitment at that time.
I know 247 has him as a three star, but it's a high three star, which every big program takes plenty of. And though his composite is low, that's mostly due to Rivals all but ignoring him (which will change, because two stars don't have offers from M, LSU and PSU). Let's see where he's at once the dust settles and then decide if he's too low for us to take.
I used to think like that, until I saw that Desmond Morgan ended up being a pretty decent LB for us.
Desmond Morgan was a pretty ideal fit for an inside linebacker - smart, instinctive, decent athlete, and hard-nosed. Wangler at SAM is more of a square peg in a round hole.
Which spot in our current Defense do you think Wangler would be best suited for?
He plays like a SAM and looks like a WILL. I'm really not sure.
Given your previous comments on this thread, I can't help but think this is a very polite way of saying he may be small but he's slow.
He's small for a SAM and slow for a WILL, yes.
I agree with you. He is decent. That is the problem. I want U of M to win big ten championships not go 8-4.
This is the offer that moves the needle to 8 and 4?
To trust the staff's decision making when it comes to recruiting. The body of work speaks for itself.
worried about. It will be hard for him to turn down U-M.
If he flips, hopefully it's sooner rather than later. I'll always root for him regardless, given he and I are both De La Salle Pilots (same high school).
At the least, it shows that our coaches (particularly LB coach Ron Vanderlinden) did a good job identifying a LB talent who was very much "under the radar." I think we were the first AQ-conference school to extend an offer. Anyway, Vanderlinden is a good coach, I'll never worry too much about PSU's ability at linebacker as long as he's around.
What's the consensus among PSU fans - does O'Brien stay put through the sanctions and beyond?
I hope he does for the sake of the B1G. Guy knows what he's doing. PSU will be very relevant if he stays.
I think it will be the circus at PSU that would drive him away (eg the inevitable Paterno lawsuit vs PSU after the NCAA one fails), more so than the sanctions. Big internal civil war at PSU that is nowhere near its end. So it goes.
We never offered Drue Tanquill, so his commiting to Purdue probably isn't a factor. It's not like we haven't "snake oiled" anybody from Purdue before.
The staff must like Wangler better.
It's possible Tranquill or some other LB are slightly better prospects. But now that Michigan is considering some of their Plan B LB prospects, they may have decided that the difference between these Plan B kids and Wangler may be small enough that Wangler merited consideration.
Being an instate legacy prospect is a factor you can't assess on film. They grew up in the rivalry and add intangibles to your program that you can't measure on high school film or 40 time. They are the type of prospects who will usually sacrifice for the team and school, don't quit, and help coaches build a team. Except Justin Boren of course.
Whereas Tranquill would be a WILL. Different positions.
Well said sir
Wonder how pissed Edwards is that the whole Wangler family is going to end up at Michigan?
This kids got a pretty big body and his shoulders are really wide, from a football standpoint idk if he's worth a darn but he should definitely be able to hold his own. Am I right?
Just curious if he is giving out stock quotes or if this is from the same discussion.
Ann Arbor awaits.
was my professor in a psychology class I took in college, real nice guy and a real class act. This was in the early 80's and he never acted like a big shot cause his son was an awesome QB that won Bo his first Rose Bowl.
I guess what I'm trying to say is that is a family of true Michigan Men and if Jared can get an offer and decide to commit to U-M, I welcome him with open ams.
I really believe that by the end of that 1980 season when John Wangler was flinging the ball to AC and Butch Woolfolk was running wild and our defense was lights out that year, that had there been a playoff, U-M would have won the championship. We lost by 3 to S Car & to ND by 2 on one of those phantom FG things. We were 1-2 after 3 games and went on to destroy the rest of our opponents including holding ohio to 3 points in Columbus. I loved that team and it is still one of my all time favorite squads.
100% nailed it. By the end of the season, there was no team in the country playing better than Michigan... but Michigan vs. Herschel Walker and Georgia would have been one helluva game.